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Cybargs wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

And if a foreign company has lower costs, as they have a lower standard of living, and pays no tax where will the business go?
maybe australian business' should figure out ways not to charge people double for the same shit. 20-30% fine, but double is ridiculous.
Double is ridiculous, doesn't mean it shouldn't be taxed.

Maybe every item under $1,000 sold in Australia should be free of tax? I guess that would put a hole in the GST take.

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Nick'll fix it.

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Dilbert_X wrote:

And if a foreign company has lower costs, as they have a lower standard of living, and pays no tax where will the business go?
Where it belongs? Survival of the fittest. What you're advocating is very much finger-in-the-dike.
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Maybe every item under $1,000 sold in Australia should be free of tax? I guess that would put a hole in the GST take.
Buy a car in "parts" then pay a separate bill to have it "built." There, tax free.
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Maybe every item under $1,000 sold in Australia should be free of tax? I guess that would put a hole in the GST take.
Buy a car in "parts" then pay a separate bill to have it "built." There, tax free.
Multinationals are way ahead of you there, transfer pricing being a thorny issue.
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"Will this guy shut up?"

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Jaekus wrote:

"Will this guy shut up?"

Abbott said last time he'd sell his arse to be PM. Wonder this time how much Rupert paid to bend him over?
the history books should call him tony the unlikely.
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Tony the nutter. He plans to buy fishing boats in Indonesia to stop people smugglers? The fuck sort of plan is that?
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At least its an idea.
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Never mind the politics, what will the effect on the stock market be?

I predict a sharp rise in the month or so after the election more so for some companies as the tax system is changed, followed by a steady decline from Christmas over about a year as borrowing is cut and spending reduced.
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Dilbert_X wrote:

At least its an idea.
That's the problem though, having vague ideas is as substantial as Abbott gets. Buying boats and sending the AFP to police Malaysia, Sri Lanka, and Indonesia is an idiotic thought bubble and an expensive one at that - not that he's given that any thought.

Effect of what on the stock market by the way?
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The effect of the change of government.

An idea is still better than failed waffle and hand-waving.
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Rudd/Labor has already fucked the country, the borrowing and debt is invisible to the ignorant however.
I hope he loses his own seat.

I predict there will be much whining and butthurtery as the borrowing and spending is scaled back and people whinge about the country being 'fucked' when its actually being unfucked.

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Dilbert_X wrote:

The effect of the change of government.

An idea is still better than failed waffle and hand-waving.
A bad idea isn't. This is a thought bubble and a ridiculous one at that.

As to a change of government - all businesses really want is a return to business and consumer confidence and the only way to achieve that is by returning to a majority government. The perception is that this creates stability - not necessarily true but in regard to stock markets perception is key. Most of them don't really care whether the LNP are in Government or the ALP. After the election, so long as there is a majority government, you probably will see a sharp rise. You usually do after an election is over, the only reason that didn't happen last time is because people didn't know how to react to a minority government.

Of course if Abbott wins stability is going to depend on whether he can work with the Senate and if the Greens retain the balance of power he'll be in a difficult position. He says he expects them to honour the mandate given to him by the Australian people and allow him to scrap the mining and carbon taxes, (or Rudd's ETS anyway which Abbott considers the same thing,) as well as put through his PPL scheme but that's unlikely. On the latter count at least the Greens may be his saviour given that they like the idea, though they want to bump it up for low income earners and cap it at $100k which would actually make it cost more. And it's only half-costed as it is. Plus if claims in the National Party in particular are true about people saying they are willing to cross the floor over it it may turn into a bit of a circus.

As for actual policies that will influence the markets... meh. Abbott's 1.5% company tax reduction is a sweetener for sure but for the biggest companies this gets swallowed up by his 1.5% PPL levy, (which isn't a tax because of reasons.) Smaller businesses will appreciate it but they'll be in a similar position under Rudd's plan to cut GST reporting by 75%. If Abbott manages to scrap the carbon tax it may provide a boost for a few sectors but as it isn't going to address issues like the cost of electricity it won't do anything for the economy at large. As to the mining tax - Twiggy Forrest announced record profits the other day, he's fine with or without it, (he'd just rather not have to pay, wouldn't we all.)

Worthy reading: Saul Eslake's attempt this week to balance the Coalition's books re: savings and spendings. Spoiler: He's found the Coalition needs to make up just over $30b to reach its aim of having a budget bottom line 'no worse than Labor'. The Coalition has already rejected this of course but Eslake's a pretty sharp bloke and I'd trust him over the Coalition's "Everything's fine, just wait 'till we release it" and Labor's arse-dwelling figure of $70b.
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Nuclear plants, nuclear submarines, both no-brainers frankly.

Also, fuck the Greens Gay Marxists
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Voting below the line it is then

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Katter's Australian Party
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National Party
National Party
Liberal Democrats
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Australian Democrats
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Voluntary Euthanasia Party
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Secular Party of Australia
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Independent?
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Most of those kind-of-crazy parties are just for the Senate right?

Clive Palmer's really adding to my enjoyment of the election. He was interviewed today on the radio and here's how it played out:

Palmer confirmed PUP has Barry Michael and Doug Hawkins running for the Senate in Victoria, and they have candidates in every seat in the house.
Compere questions Michael's and Hawkins' selection, considering they were both been to court in relation to violence against women.
Palmer accuses compere of slander, but compere explains he chose his words carefully and did not say they were convicted.
Palmer says he could bring a charge against compere for, quote, 'being a deadbeat'.
Palmer hangs up mid-interview.

Brilliant. I also loved his claim the other day that Australian polls were rigged. Probably an acorn of truth to it but it could only be Palmer to blurt it out so enthusiastically.
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Dilbert_X
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Ty wrote:

Most of those kind-of-crazy parties are just for the Senate right?
No, the Greens have candidates for both houses, thats a Senate list for my area though - in the order I plan to preference

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Dilbert_X wrote:

Ty wrote:

Most of those kind-of-crazy parties are just for the Senate right?
No, the Greens have candidates for both houses, thats a Senate list for my area though - in the order I plan to preference
youd vote socialists over labour?wat
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I'd vote anyone over Labor
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