Cybargs
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Uzique The Lesser wrote:

Adams_BJ wrote:

because they ALWAYS need more. if they need more positions, they make more positions? Susainable model? Lol no, but the employees dont care about that for the year or 2 they are in
look, all i'm saying is that it doesn't really seem like a great deal to 'appease' a marginalized group. "here, you can do this dirty, awful work that most of our natives don't want to do". so that's how you stretch out the olive branch, after a century of oppression and social engineering? "hey, you bums, stop drinking and beating your wives, go work down a mine! whaddya mean, we don't want to do it? well of course we don't, stupid, we have good jobs and comfy lifestyles!".

if this is your idea of 'fair' and 'racial harmony', you're probably better off as a tabloid columnist than a politician.
150k+ a year is pretty good working in dem mines.
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Uzique The Lesser
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Cybargs wrote:

Uzique The Lesser wrote:

Adams_BJ wrote:

because they ALWAYS need more. if they need more positions, they make more positions? Susainable model? Lol no, but the employees dont care about that for the year or 2 they are in
look, all i'm saying is that it doesn't really seem like a great deal to 'appease' a marginalized group. "here, you can do this dirty, awful work that most of our natives don't want to do". so that's how you stretch out the olive branch, after a century of oppression and social engineering? "hey, you bums, stop drinking and beating your wives, go work down a mine! whaddya mean, we don't want to do it? well of course we don't, stupid, we have good jobs and comfy lifestyles!".

if this is your idea of 'fair' and 'racial harmony', you're probably better off as a tabloid columnist than a politician.
150k+ a year is pretty good working in dem mines.
a) for how many years
b) to what end
c) again, why aren't natives queuing up to get a piece of this amazing action? seems like a no-brainer. why aren't all those fresh graduates going to do a year down a mine, to clear their debt and get a deposit for a first house? sounds too good to be true.

oh wait...
Cybargs
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Uzique The Lesser wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Uzique The Lesser wrote:


look, all i'm saying is that it doesn't really seem like a great deal to 'appease' a marginalized group. "here, you can do this dirty, awful work that most of our natives don't want to do". so that's how you stretch out the olive branch, after a century of oppression and social engineering? "hey, you bums, stop drinking and beating your wives, go work down a mine! whaddya mean, we don't want to do it? well of course we don't, stupid, we have good jobs and comfy lifestyles!".

if this is your idea of 'fair' and 'racial harmony', you're probably better off as a tabloid columnist than a politician.
150k+ a year is pretty good working in dem mines.
a) for how many years
b) to what end
c) again, why aren't natives queuing up to get a piece of this amazing action? seems like a no-brainer. why aren't all those fresh graduates going to do a year down a mine, to clear their debt and get a deposit for a first house? sounds too good to be true.

oh wait...
A) been around for the past 4 years
C) because they live on native reserves? it's like why aren't all the native americans lining up for the north dakota and texas gas projects. and it's backbreaking labour not a lot of people would want to do it. but there are quite a few people who do mining just for a year or two to clear enough money for their house.

pretty much every indeginous population of every country has been fucked on, and its not as easy as adams "get a jerb" solution. A lot has to do with the lack of education and economic opportunities in native reserve areas.
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Uzique The Lesser
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exactly. education and genuine opportunity are key to integrating a dispossessed group. as i said in my first post. pointing to the high-salaries of a terrible mining job and saying "there's your chance!" is naive and dumb, on the same level of empty rhetoric as people who still talk about 'the american dream', despite america having the lowest social-mobility of any western nation. giving an abo $150k isn't going to suddenly turn him into a suit-wearing, college-educated aussie, living in the suburbs. in fact, you could probably argue that giving someone from a broken community, one with no stake in society, that much money... could be harmful, rather than beneficial.

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Ty
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Sorry to divert from an interesting discussion:

Dilbert_X wrote:

...but given the choice between Labor and the LNP I'd pick the second.
Why? Sorry but I can't accept that you'd pick an option that lacks any substance led by a hollow-headed egotistical borderline psychopathic twit like Tony Abbott based solely on the fact that the Labor Government has had to deal with "scandals" - most of which have been dug up, spread, and propagated by the LNP for lack of anything better to talk about. It's got to be more than that but I don't know what it is.

What LNP policies do you actually agree with? What ALP policies do you think are rubbish? You really need to base your decision on actual substance rather than the trivialities spread by the Murdoch media.

I know you say you're not going to vote for either, that's your choice, but I get the feeling that you've contentedly resigned yourself to an LNP Government and are throwing your vote away essentially to abdicate responsibility when the Abbott Government proves to be completely fucked up.

I don't get a vote in this thing but if I did I would be compelled to vote for Labor. While I certainly wouldn't do it because I think they necessarily deserve it given the sideshows they have put on, I would do it to avoid the prospect of an LNP Government. Because I seriously do think an LNP Government would be that bad. From what they have released policy-wise and from what has been suggested about what they might do. And on top of that I can not stress how unsuitable a political leader Tony Abbott is. I really can't. He's a fool, a coward, a narcissist, he lacks any empathy, he's incredibly dishonest, he's completely and utterly without any reasoned ideas or conviction. He's a poor orator, he's a poor communicator, he's a poor organiser, and he's a poor negotiator. He should not be Prime Minister.

So please Dilbert, explain to be why you would be okay with an LNP Government and an Abbott PM. I'm struggling to understand here.
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Macbeth
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Australian politics sounds really boring.
Adams_BJ
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It all goes downhill once you stop shooting each other.
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Take it to the I make a thread about every news article I read thread.
Macbeth
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Okay lets just spend all day talking to roc then. Much better use of time.
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About the same.
Macbeth
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I disagree. My post are informative.
Uzique The Lesser
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Macbeth wrote:

Australian politics sounds really boring.
yeah that whole obama-mormon thing was really intellectually stimulating.
Dilbert_X
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Uzique The Lesser wrote:

a) for how many years
b) to what end
c) again, why aren't natives queuing up to get a piece of this amazing action? seems like a no-brainer. why aren't all those fresh graduates going to do a year down a mine, to clear their debt and get a deposit for a first house? sounds too good to be true.

oh wait...
For one thing the companies are generally looking for skilled people, mining companies aren't interested in training people (generally), for another they're looking for people with very relevant work experience, and lots of it, and another they want people who are going to quietly suck up doing 12 hour days and live in a portakabin for a month at a time, not get fed up after a few weeks and pack it in.
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Jaekus
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Working twelve hour days for four straight weeks is pretty fucking hard, doubly so when you're in the desert in a mine. They might pay a lot but you need skills, experience and proven work history to start raking in a six figure salary as a miner. It's not like getting a job at Coles, and just randomly sending off Aboriginal people or anyone else for that matter to work in the mines is a naive solution that ignores a whole other set of issues that accompany it. Better to find people employment local to their area that they will actually stick at due to being close to family and the ability to develop a skill set that translates into other job opportunities... like getting a job at Coles for example.
Spark
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So Gillard is actually saying how she'll fund the NDIS (sort of). Which means she's serious about it. Which is good.

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The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Dilbert_X
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Gillard has fucked up everything so far, why would you assume NDIS will be different?

Given the election date has been announced shouldn't the govt be in caretaker mode and not doing radical stuff in a rush which will only probably have to be untangled?
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Spark
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i was hoping to get at least more than twenty minutes' opening for a discussion before an injection of wilful ignorance but oh well
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
AussieReaper
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Overhearing the talk of politics in the office lately.

People are stupid.
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Dilbert_X
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Ty wrote:

Why? Sorry but I can't accept that you'd pick an option that lacks any substance led by a hollow-headed egotistical borderline psychopathic twit like Tony Abbott based solely on the fact that the Labor Government has had to deal with "scandals" - most of which have been dug up, spread, and propagated by the LNP for lack of anything better to talk about. It's got to be more than that but I don't know what it is.

What LNP policies do you actually agree with? What ALP policies do you think are rubbish? You really need to base your decision on actual substance rather than the trivialities spread by the Murdoch media.

I know you say you're not going to vote for either, that's your choice, but I get the feeling that you've contentedly resigned yourself to an LNP Government and are throwing your vote away essentially to abdicate responsibility when the Abbott Government proves to be completely fucked up.

I don't get a vote in this thing but if I did I would be compelled to vote for Labor. While I certainly wouldn't do it because I think they necessarily deserve it given the sideshows they have put on, I would do it to avoid the prospect of an LNP Government. Because I seriously do think an LNP Government would be that bad. From what they have released policy-wise and from what has been suggested about what they might do. And on top of that I can not stress how unsuitable a political leader Tony Abbott is. I really can't. He's a fool, a coward, a narcissist, he lacks any empathy, he's incredibly dishonest, he's completely and utterly without any reasoned ideas or conviction. He's a poor orator, he's a poor communicator, he's a poor organiser, and he's a poor negotiator. He should not be Prime Minister.

So please Dilbert, explain to be why you would be okay with an LNP Government and an Abbott PM. I'm struggling to understand here.
I don't see that Abbott is any better or worse than Rudd or Gillard at a personal level, Gillard is corrupt and ready to knife people to gain advantage, when she's a mediocre leader at best.

As far as policies go, Labor has had some reasonable policies ruined so badly by pisspoor implementation it would have been better if they'd never been thought of - Home Insulation, Carbon Tax, Mining Tax, 'Building the Education Revolution', the NBN for a few and no doubt the NDIS will be next.

I'm not interested in voting for a party run by left-wing apparatchiks who have never worked in the private sector. Love or hate the coalition they do have some background in business, business is important for the economy, if you don't have an economy to pay for it you can't run social programs.

Borrowing from the future to fund nice-to-have programs which won't return anything is not what govt should be doing however socially reasonable it seems.

Looking at just the parties and not the leaders, they're both piss-poor but the coalition does have some kind of track record of succesfully running the country.
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Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6953|Canberra, AUS
At least Myer is keeping perspective...

http://www.smh.com.au/business/myer-wor … 2isg6.html

The federal government confirmed today it planned to increase the Medicare levy by half a percentage point, which will cost the average household at least $350 a year. The levy is to part-fund the proposed national disability insurance scheme (NDIS).

The estimated $350 for the Medicare levy increase ‘‘is something they would have spent with us’’, Myer chief executive Bernie Brooks told a Macquarie Investment seminar earlier today.

The proposed levy ‘‘is not good for our customers and may have an impact’’, Mr Brooks said.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Jaekus
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lol, saying the LNP are great at running the economy. The QLD LNP government recently and very narrowly avoided a recession, nine months after taking office and after their first budget was handed down complete with job cuts. Abbott will be much worse. Labor might be fucking up their execution but they did navigate us through the GFC in a manner that makes the rest of the world envious.
AussieReaper
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I can't understand how the Howard years have been forgotten.

But the media is well and truly bought and paid for this election.
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Uzique The Lesser
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Jaekus wrote:

lol, saying the LNP are great at running the economy. The QLD LNP government recently and very narrowly avoided a recession, nine months after taking office and after their first budget was handed down complete with job cuts. Abbott will be much worse. Labor might be fucking up their execution but they did navigate us through the GFC in a manner that makes the rest of the world envious.
i'm not sure the rest of the world are envious of your handling in the GFC. it would be pretty hard for any other state affected to take the same isolationist approach that you antipodeans did. hardly masterful policy.
AussieReaper
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Isolationist?

We mined the shit out if the country and sold it to China.
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Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
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Jaekus wrote:

lol, saying the LNP are great at running the economy. The QLD LNP government recently and very narrowly avoided a recession, nine months after taking office and after their first budget was handed down complete with job cuts. Abbott will be much worse. Labor might be fucking up their execution but they did navigate us through the GFC in a manner that makes the rest of the world envious.
So you are giving credit to your own government for China conducting massive stimulus to artificially pump up demand in their own country? Congrats, you sold iron to a country that needed it. Hardly something you can thank your politicians for.
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