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2009-12-01 08:17:21
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|6980|UK

JohnG@lt wrote:

Vilham wrote:

If guns are legal in a country i have no issue with concealed carry, but there is NO point in having open carry, it merely spreads panic and fear.
This is lols. Our lefties are in such fear of concealed carry that they have made open carry the only way allowable by law. Concealed carry permits are ridiculously difficult to get.
Well thats ass backwards.

Amra wrote:

It merely spreads panic and fear among idiots, who deserve to be in fear for their lives.
Yes because people are able to tell who is legally carrying and who isn't. Open carry will just lead to far more police calls of people carrying weapons, wasting police time.

Also lol at the spreading fear thing. You carry because your fearful. So by your own definition what does that make you....

Last edited by Vilham (2009-12-01 08:25:08)

2009-12-01 08:21:15
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5572|London, England

Vilham wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Vilham wrote:

If guns are legal in a country i have no issue with concealed carry, but there is NO point in having open carry, it merely spreads panic and fear.
This is lols. Our lefties are in such fear of concealed carry that they have made open carry the only way allowable by law. Concealed carry permits are ridiculously difficult to get.
Well thats ass backwards.

Amra wrote:

It merely spreads panic and fear among idiots, who deserve to be in fear for their lives.
Yes because people are able to tell who is legally carrying and who isn't. Open carry will just lead to far more police calls of people carrying weapons, wasting police time.
It's based on feelings. Reason and feelings do not mix.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2009-12-01 08:21:33
Hakei
Banned
+295|6209

JohnG@lt wrote:

Vilham wrote:

If guns are legal in a country i have no issue with concealed carry, but there is NO point in having open carry, it merely spreads panic and fear.
This is lols. Our lefties are in such fear of concealed carry that they have made open carry the only way allowable by law. Concealed carry permits are ridiculously difficult to get.
But if it's for your protection it shouldn't matter, right? At least that way you can have it loaded too, right?

You'd rather impose fear on the public than go through some paper work. Righto.
2009-12-01 08:38:57
RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|6928|US

Vilham wrote:

The simple FACT is that as a gun owner you are a minority and have no right to impose fear on the public. Your right to carry a gun in full view  means people have no way of knowing if that is legal or not and therefore no idea if they need to do something to protect themselves from you. Fear breeds fear.
So, minorities must function at the whim of the majority?  If I cause fear in you, I am in the wrong...even if I never acted or even looked in your direction...?  Seems an odd standard to set.

If you are going to fear, fear the people.  A violent criminal is dangerous, no matter what tools they use.
A peaceful person is not a threat, no matter what weapons they have.

Other people's ignorance of the law is NOT a reason to restrict people!


The pocket knife I carry would make me a "dangerous criminal" in the UK...
I use it to open packages and cut rope.
I am no more of a threat to you, with my 3.5inch knife, than someone carrying a gun.  It is about the person, not the object.
2009-12-01 08:40:38
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5572|London, England

Hakei wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Vilham wrote:

If guns are legal in a country i have no issue with concealed carry, but there is NO point in having open carry, it merely spreads panic and fear.
This is lols. Our lefties are in such fear of concealed carry that they have made open carry the only way allowable by law. Concealed carry permits are ridiculously difficult to get.
But if it's for your protection it shouldn't matter, right? At least that way you can have it loaded too, right?

You'd rather impose fear on the public than go through some paper work. Righto.
No. I prefer concealed carry. I don't wanna see people walking around with a pistol strapped to their hip either. Most places in America require the local sheriff to sign off on a concealed carry permit and many won't do it. Someone mentioned earlier in this thread that the local sheriff's department in San Francisco has signed off on less than a handful in the past decade which is why the people in the video walk around with it strapped to their hip. They are obeying the letter of the law.

Hell, in NYC you can't even possess a handgun. They made it illegal. All that does is make you require a larger police force because the criminals know that they can rob people with impunity otherwise. Removing the populaces means of protecting themselves has created a nice racket for the local police force because they know that any drop in their funding will now see an increase in crime rates. It plays on peoples feelings.

Last edited by JohnG@lt (2009-12-01 08:44:49)

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2009-12-01 08:53:40
13rin
Member
+977|6693

Vilham wrote:

The simple FACT is that as a gun owner you are a minority and have no right to impose fear on the public. Your right to carry a gun in full view  means people have no way of knowing if that is legal or not and therefore no idea if they need to do something to protect themselves from you. Fear breeds fear.

Weapons by definition are dangerous, that's the whole point in them.... /facepalm

I can own a "deadly weapon"... listen to your self, your ignorance is astounding. Do some research, seriously. Added to the fact that your bragging of rights to own a deadly weapon. Red neck much?
Fear may breed fear, but so does ignorance -and in this argument the latter is true.  Have you read the US Constitution?  Your ignorance of the argument and firearms in general is astounding.  You do some research, seriously.  I'd wager I know far more about firearms and the gun debate than you ever will.  Also, a proud gun owner does not equate to a red neck.  Bitter much?  Hell, I don't blame you.  I'd be pissed too that my government has trampled over my rights... Oh wait, my forefathers did get pissed and broke away from your gov.  Good thing they had guns.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
2009-12-01 08:59:55
Hakei
Banned
+295|6209
I've never read the US constitution, the first/second/third/forth/fifth amendment or the declaration of independence. Care factor is non existent.

Once again, the argument should not be about the law. It should be about the logic and reasoning behind those who open carry.

ANd DBBrinson1, you're clearly a redneck.

Last edited by Hakei (2009-12-01 09:00:35)

2009-12-01 09:07:37
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|6980|UK

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Vilham wrote:

The simple FACT is that as a gun owner you are a minority and have no right to impose fear on the public. Your right to carry a gun in full view  means people have no way of knowing if that is legal or not and therefore no idea if they need to do something to protect themselves from you. Fear breeds fear.

Weapons by definition are dangerous, that's the whole point in them.... /facepalm

I can own a "deadly weapon"... listen to your self, your ignorance is astounding. Do some research, seriously. Added to the fact that your bragging of rights to own a deadly weapon. Red neck much?
Fear may breed fear, but so does ignorance -and in this argument the latter is true.  Have you read the US Constitution?  Your ignorance of the argument and firearms in general is astounding.  You do some research, seriously.  I'd wager I know far more about firearms and the gun debate than you ever will.  Also, a proud gun owner does not equate to a red neck.  Bitter much?  Hell, I don't blame you.  I'd be pissed too that my government has trampled over my rights... Oh wait, my forefathers did get pissed and broke away from your gov.  Good thing they had guns.
Again seriously do some research. I CAN legally own a gun...

And your "Oh wait, my forefathers did get pissed and broke away from your gov.  Good thing they had guns." thing makes no sense. Are you seriously suggesting you could stand up against a modern day military force with your semi automatic weapons and monster trucks.
2009-12-01 09:28:12
13rin
Member
+977|6693

Hakei wrote:

I've never read the US constitution, the first/second/third/forth/fifth amendment or the declaration of independence. Care factor is non existent.

Once again, the argument should not be about the law. It should be about the logic and reasoning behind those who open carry.

ANd DBBrinson1, you're clearly a redneck.
If you don't understand the laws of the land, or care enough to know as to why they were legislated, then why are you bothering to argue?  You are attacking law abiding citizens who have committed no crime.  In a perfect world there would be no crime, wars or guns -hence no reason/need for carry.  Since this obviously isn't the case, these aspects are critical to this debate.  If you cannot recognize this, then with all due respect leave the argument.

If being a "redneck" means that I clearly understand the Gun Debate, then Thank you.  WEEEEEHHHAAAAAW!
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
2009-12-01 09:32:39
13rin
Member
+977|6693

Vilham wrote:

Again seriously do some research. I CAN legally own a gun...

And your "Oh wait, my forefathers did get pissed and broke away from your gov.  Good thing they had guns." thing makes no sense. Are you seriously suggesting you could stand up against a modern day military force with your semi automatic weapons and monster trucks.
Great -go try to by a handgun and tell me how that goes for ya.  What I gave you was a dig on your country's shitty gun control laws and nothing more.   For the record, I could legally buy a full auto (CLASS III).

*edit:  I bet the King said the same shit back when he found that the colonies were breaking away.... Go bow down now.

Last edited by DBBrinson1 (2009-12-01 09:35:13)

I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
2009-12-01 09:47:36
cl4u53w1t2
Salon-Bolschewist
+269|6687|Kakanien
it is absolutely necessary to carry a gun openly in public

it makes you look so cool!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2oh3h3DvY0
2009-12-01 09:51:00
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5572|London, England

cl4u53w1t2 wrote:

it is absolutely necessary to carry a gun openly in public

it makes you look so cool!
I certainly looked cool

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"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2009-12-01 09:51:54
Hakei
Banned
+295|6209

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Hakei wrote:

I've never read the US constitution, the first/second/third/forth/fifth amendment or the declaration of independence. Care factor is non existent.

Once again, the argument should not be about the law. It should be about the logic and reasoning behind those who open carry.

ANd DBBrinson1, you're clearly a redneck.
If you don't understand the laws of the land, or care enough to know as to why they were legislated, then why are you bothering to argue?  You are attacking law abiding citizens who have committed no crime.  In a perfect world there would be no crime, wars or guns -hence no reason/need for carry.  Since this obviously isn't the case, these aspects are critical to this debate.  If you cannot recognize this, then with all due respect leave the argument.

If being a "redneck" means that I clearly understand the Gun Debate, then Thank you.  WEEEEEHHHAAAAAW!
BECAUSE THE ARGUMENT IS NOT ABOUT THE LAW. THE ARGUMENT IS ABOUT THE MORALS INVOLVED FOR THOSE WHO OPEN CARRY AND THE EFFECT IT HAS ON THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. STOP TRYING TO MAKE THE ARGUMENT ABOUT THE LEGALITY OF THE ISSUE, IT IS NOT ABOUT THE LEGALITY, IT IS ABOUT THE ETHICS AND MORALS INVOLVED. THE LAW IS NOT ETHICS AND MORALS. THEREFORE MY APPARENT LACK OF KNOWLEDGE FOR ANOTHER COUNTRY'S GUN LAWS IS NOT RELEVANT TO THE DEBATE.

And yes, caps is cruise control for cool. Is it drilled far enough into your thick skull now?

Also, random Capitalisations throughout your Posts does not Make You clever.
2009-12-01 09:57:31
13rin
Member
+977|6693

Hakei wrote:

BECAUSE THE ARGUMENT IS NOT ABOUT THE LAW. THE ARGUMENT IS ABOUT THE MORALS INVOLVED FOR THOSE WHO OPEN CARRY AND THE EFFECT IT HAS ON THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. STOP TRYING TO MAKE THE ARGUMENT ABOUT THE LEGALITY OF THE ISSUE, IT IS NOT ABOUT THE LEGALITY, IT IS ABOUT THE ETHICS AND MORALS INVOLVED. THE LAW IS NOT ETHICS AND MORALS. THEREFORE MY APPARENT LACK OF KNOWLEDGE FOR ANOTHER COUNTRY'S GUN LAWS IS NOT RELEVANT TO THE DEBATE.

And yes, caps is cruise control for cool. Is it drilled far enough into your thick skull now?

Also, random Capitalisations throughout your Posts does not Make You clever.
You FAIL again.
There were ethical decisions involved in making the laws, but apparently you can't be bothered with such details.  Your last sentence reeks with irony and your spelling sucks too.

Last edited by DBBrinson1 (2009-12-01 09:58:20)

I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
2009-12-01 09:57:56
13urnzz
Banned
+5,830|6711

DBBrinson1 wrote:

If being a "redneck" means that I clearly understand the Gun Debate, then Thank you.  WEEEEEHHHAAAAAW!
lawl, to be called a Redneck by an Aussie . . .
2009-12-01 09:59:59
Hakei
Banned
+295|6209

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Hakei wrote:

BECAUSE THE ARGUMENT IS NOT ABOUT THE LAW. THE ARGUMENT IS ABOUT THE MORALS INVOLVED FOR THOSE WHO OPEN CARRY AND THE EFFECT IT HAS ON THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. STOP TRYING TO MAKE THE ARGUMENT ABOUT THE LEGALITY OF THE ISSUE, IT IS NOT ABOUT THE LEGALITY, IT IS ABOUT THE ETHICS AND MORALS INVOLVED. THE LAW IS NOT ETHICS AND MORALS. THEREFORE MY APPARENT LACK OF KNOWLEDGE FOR ANOTHER COUNTRY'S GUN LAWS IS NOT RELEVANT TO THE DEBATE.

And yes, caps is cruise control for cool. Is it drilled far enough into your thick skull now?

Also, random Capitalisations throughout your Posts does not Make You clever.
You FAIL again.
There were ethical decisions involved in making the laws, but apparently you can't be bothered with such details.  Your last sentence reeks with irony and your spelling sucks too.
Ahaha. Oh wow.

Comedy gold to be honest. I'm hoping the first part of what you said is a troll. Do you honestly believe those caps were unintentional? As for spelling? Mmm. Where?

burnzz wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:

If being a "redneck" means that I clearly understand the Gun Debate, then Thank you.  WEEEEEHHHAAAAAW!
lawl, to be called a Redneck by an Aussie . . .
Englishman*

Close, but no figurative cigar.

Last edited by Hakei (2009-12-01 10:00:31)

2009-12-01 10:07:54
west-phoenix-az
Guns don't kill people. . . joe bidens advice does
+632|6603
I'd rather have a gun and not need it, then need it and not have it. I carry daily and don't give a shit if someone thinks I do it to be a "tough guy" or to look "cool". I do it to protect myself and loved ones should I need to. It's your responsibility to protect and ensure the safety of yourself and your family. A firearm is just one tool required to do so.

Last edited by west-phoenix-az (2009-12-01 10:08:32)

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2009-12-01 10:13:00
Hakei
Banned
+295|6209

west-phoenix-az wrote:

I'd rather have a gun and not need it, then need it and not have it. I carry daily and don't give a shit if someone thinks I do it to be a "tough guy" or to look "cool". I do it to protect myself and loved ones should I need to. It's your responsibility to protect and ensure the safety of yourself and your family. A firearm is just one tool required to do so.
Wouldn't it be more wise to move to a less dangerous country than to wield a dangerous weapon?

Serious question, if it's for your loved ones and all that.
2009-12-01 10:55:24
west-phoenix-az
Guns don't kill people. . . joe bidens advice does
+632|6603

Hakei wrote:

Wouldn't it be more wise to move to a less dangerous country than to wield a dangerous weapon?

Serious question, if it's for your loved ones and all that.
No, I don't think so. I feel safe where I am and enjoy firearms. I've lived here for almost 30-years now and have had very few issues. Man and violence is present everywhere in the world, at least here I can easily obtain firearms. As many firearms and ammunition as I want, as often as I want. Carrying a firearm is not only for defense against humans, but animals too. Once you become comfortable carrying a firearm it's not a big deal or inconvenience. It's just one more thing I grab when I head out the door.

If I feel safe why do I carry a pistol?
For the unknown, anything can happen at any time, if I were expecting trouble I'd wear body armor and carry a rifle.
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2009-12-01 11:02:33
13rin
Member
+977|6693

Hakei wrote:

elieve those caps were unintentional? As for spelling? Mmm. Where?
"Capitalisations".  Way to go buddy,  and here's why you FAIL.  You set up a straw man argument.  Attack the sentence structure and "capitalisations" instead of addressing my points?  Yes, you are quite the funny man.

Hakei wrote:

Wouldn't it be more wise to move to a less dangerous country than to wield a dangerous weapon?

Serious question, if it's for your loved ones and all that.
AHHH! Run away.  Yea.  Have fun with that.

Last edited by DBBrinson1 (2009-12-01 11:10:46)

I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
2009-12-01 13:53:29
RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|6928|US

Hakei wrote:

[ THE ARGUMENT IS ABOUT THE MORALS INVOLVED FOR THOSE WHO OPEN CARRY AND THE EFFECT IT HAS ON THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.
OK.

1. What ethical basis are you arguing from?
2. What are the ethical considerations for carrying a potentially lethal machine.
3. Does carrying them openly or concealed make an ethical difference?
2009-12-01 14:10:18
Buckles
Cheeky Keen
+329|6770|Kent, UK
Sorry guys, but I can't help but think of this...
https://thinkhardthinkwell.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/family20guy20bear20arms12.jpg
2009-12-01 14:23:44
krazed
Admiral of the Bathtub
+619|6994|Great Brown North
so far the main argument i've seen here is that it will scare people


so why don't we educate the people who would otherwise be scared?
2009-12-01 14:42:28
Amra
look; even concrete needs to be laid
+26|5526|Up your #4+@?
zee bankers seem to know what's up.
2009-12-01 16:53:18
mcminty
Moderating your content for the Australian Govt.
+879|6935|Sydney, Australia

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Hakei wrote:

elieve those caps were unintentional? As for spelling? Mmm. Where?
"Capitalisations".  Way to go buddy,  and here's why you FAIL.  You set up a straw man argument.  Attack the sentence structure and "capitalisations" instead of addressing my points?  Yes, you are quite the funny man.

Hakei wrote:

Wouldn't it be more wise to move to a less dangerous country than to wield a dangerous weapon?

Serious question, if it's for your loved ones and all that.
AHHH! Run away.  Yea.  Have fun with that.
What's wrong with that?
Noun

capitalisations

   1. Plural form of capitalisation.
Just cause Americans spell weirdly..

 

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