Macbeth
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Stunned and angry, national gay rights leaders Wednesday blamed scare-mongering ads — and President Barack Obama's lack of engagement — for a bitter election setback in Maine that could alter the dynamics for both sides in the gay-marriage debate.

Conservatives, in contrast, celebrated Maine voters' rejection of a law that would have allowed gay couples to wed, depicting it as a warning shot that should deter politicians in other states from pushing for same-sex marriage.

"Every time the citizens have voted on marriage, they have always sided with natural marriage," said Mathew Staver, founder of Liberty Counsel, a Florida-based Christian legal group. "Maine dramatically illustrates the will of the people, and politicians should wake up and listen."

Gay activists were frustrated that Obama, who insists he staunchly supports their overall civil rights agenda, didn't speak out forcefully in defense of Maine's marriage law before Tuesday's referendum. The law was repealed in a vote of 53 percent to 47 percent.

"President Obama missed an opportunity to state his position against these discriminatory attacks with the clarity and moral imperative that would have helped in this close fight," said Evan Wolfson of the national advocacy group Freedom to Marry. "The anti-gay forces are throwing millions of dollars into various unsubtle ads aimed at scaring people, so subtle statements from the White House are not enough."
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Poor homosexuals, of all places I expected Maine to go vote for Gay marriage.

I'm curious is same sex marriage legal in the EU?
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6697|Chicago, IL
Wikipedia says it's legal in Spain, Sweden, and Norway
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5608|London, England
Shouldn't it be up to the various denominations anyway? If some religion wants to allow gay marriage that should be on them. In my eyes the paperwork received from the State should just say 'legal union' on it anyway. It's not the governments job to get into the marriage business or define what is or isn't a marriage. You can't deny any couple the right to a legal union with all the rights that go along with it. Marriage itself is a religious rite and the separation of church and state that we are supposed to have in this country should leave it up to the church to decide for itself what is a marriage.

Marriage and legal unions are two entirely different things.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,979|6882|949

I thought the only things in Maine were trees and lobsters?  I guess there are trees, lobsters and gay people.

Is there a law in Maine against same sex marriages?
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6697|Chicago, IL

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

I thought the only things in Maine were trees and lobsters?  I guess there are trees, lobsters and gay people.

Is there a law in Maine against same sex marriages?
There is now

Marriage is a church function anyway, the states shouldn't be marrying people, gay or straight
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,979|6882|949

No, just a law that allows same-sex that didn't pass...I'm just wondering if/why they would need a law allowing it if there was no law against it.
DrunkFace
Germans did 911
+427|6931|Disaster Free Zone
Marriage is not a function of the church, they have just adopted it.
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6697|Chicago, IL
If states weren't giving tax breaks, powers of attorney, and other incentives to married couples, there'd be no issue
mtb0minime
minimember
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I know a gay or two who has voted against same-sex marriage because they're sick of the "fags and queers and the bullshit that goes along with it and all the tantrums they throw."


I'm indifferent to this issue, but the people have spoken yet again. Can't blame them for trying though.
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6697|Chicago, IL

mtb0minime wrote:

I know a gay or two who has voted against same-sex marriage because they're sick of the "fags and queers and the bullshit that goes along with it and all the tantrums they throw."


I'm indifferent to this issue, but the people have spoken yet again. Can't blame them for trying though.
That's true too, they're shooting themselves in the foot with the flamboyant behavior, most people don't mind individual gays, or what they do behind closed doors, but some of them are so over the top that it stigmatizes the entire group (I'm talking to you Boy George)
mtb0minime
minimember
+2,418|6904

S.Lythberg wrote:

mtb0minime wrote:

I know a gay or two who has voted against same-sex marriage because they're sick of the "fags and queers and the bullshit that goes along with it and all the tantrums they throw."


I'm indifferent to this issue, but the people have spoken yet again. Can't blame them for trying though.
That's true too, they're shooting themselves in the foot with the flamboyant behavior, most people don't mind individual gays, or what they do behind closed doors, but some of them are so over the top that it stigmatizes the entire group (I'm talking to you Boy George)
Exactly. I get real annoyed by them, and when I tell people that, they say I'm homophobic. Umm, no, they're just annoying, just like cheerleader valley girl chicks are.

I think if they toned it down and would just act ""normal"" (thick quotes on that because that's who they really are and all that jazz), it would make a lot of the people who vote against this stuff realize that they're just like you or I. The hardcore anti-gay people view gays as an entirely different race of human based on their behavior and such, and thus can't justify it to themselves to support them (or at least not vote against them).
Ghandi767
Member
+17|6872|Hanging in the Balance
Typical of my home state. Stick our necks into the political scene, then end up looking like a f*cking joke.

There is a law defining marriage as between a man and a woman. This referendum was whether to allow a new law passed by the legislature to take effect granting marriage rights to homosexual couples as well. It was defeated.
Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6798|San Diego, CA, USA
A liberal fiend (not friend), of mine argued successfully to me about Gay Marriage.  I couldn't answer how Gay Marriage would hurt traditional marriage.

So he's my answer.  All unions between two people will be considered "civil unions" (including those between a man and a woman) -same rights and everything we have today.  (i.e. a global search and replace of the word 'marriage' with the word 'civil union').

Fine, now everyone is equal.

If you want to get "married" then you can go to your local church or whatever and they will get you married.  They would issue you a "marriage certificate" and everything, but when you sign your contact with the state it will say, "civil union" on it.

Marriage, to me, is a covenant with God, you, and your spouse (opposite gender); if there are denominations that allow same sex then good for them.


I bet the divorce lawyers are clamoring for this!!!  (There was already a case where a gay couple divorced and wanted alimony, but technically they were never married so the case was dismissed).
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|5952|College Park, MD

Harmor wrote:

A liberal fiend (not friend), of mine argued successfully to me about Gay Marriage.  I couldn't answer how Gay Marriage would hurt traditional marriage.

So he's my answer.  All unions between two people will be considered "civil unions" (including those between a man and a woman) -same rights and everything we have today.  (i.e. a global search and replace of the word 'marriage' with the word 'civil union').

Fine, now everyone is equal.

If you want to get "married" then you can go to your local church or whatever and they will get you married.  They would issue you a "marriage certificate" and everything, but when you sign your contact with the state it will say, "civil union" on it.

Marriage, to me, is a covenant with God, you, and your spouse (opposite gender); if there are denominations that allow same sex then good for them.


I bet the divorce lawyers are clamoring for this!!!  (There was already a case where a gay couple divorced and wanted alimony, but technically they were never married so the case was dismissed).
That's what I've been clamoring for for ages. There's a huge difference between governmental marriage and church marriage. To further solidify that difference, the government just ought to call them civil unions regardless of the people getting married.
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