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Because you had a common enemy.

lowing wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Because you had a common enemy.

This is true, radical Islam is only the enemy of the right and those wishing America to thrive.

yes because radical islamists are going to a. invade all your countries and b. commit genocides on a vast scale (aka millions of people)... ww2/nazi comparisons fail.

lowing wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Because you had a common enemy.

This is true, radical Islam is only the enemy of the right and those wishing America to thrive.

Yeh but still not a proper common enemy... As spark said no ones really scared of Hajji that much, besides hajji doesn't really pose a threat. Common enemy creates a common defence yo

DonFck wrote:

lowing wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Because you had a common enemy.

This is true, radical Islam is only the enemy of the right and those wishing America to thrive.

Yes, because the left wants America to DIE!

wat

nope they want America to succumb to govt. control. and dependency. and yes this is a failure of America

You don't even have to wonder about it, they will tell you

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ … nment.html

Mekstizzle wrote:

Radical Islam is no way near a big enough enemy to divide the US. Although you guys were probably quite "together" when 9/11 happened. Maybe people don't realise just how big of a war WW2 actually was compared to wars like Vietnam/Terrorism.

Mekstizzle wrote:

teds wrote:

Radical Islam is no way near a big enough enemy to divide the US

I mean not divide, I mean bring together lol*

Bring together in the sense of WW2. Even Vietnam didn't do that, and Vietnam was still on the order of magnitude way bigger than this war. Infact you could say Vietnam divided the US way more than this current war despite the fact that it was bigger.

We were not attacked at home by NV. There is no difference between 911 and Pearl Harbor except that 911 was worse. If 911 happen 60 years ago, we would be raising the flag over all of the ME by now.

Mekstizzle wrote:

lowing wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

I mean not divide, I mean bring together lol*

Bring together in the sense of WW2. Even Vietnam didn't do that, and Vietnam was still on the order of magnitude way bigger than this war. Infact you could say Vietnam divided the US way more than this current war despite the fact that it was bigger.

We were not attacked at home by NV. There is no difference between 911 and Pearl Harbor except that 911 was worse. If 911 happen 60 years ago, we would be raising the flag over all of the ME by now.

Not really. After Peal Harbour you had governments declaring war on the USA. After 9/11 even the Taliban themselves offered to try Bin Laden in one of their own courts. Totally different situations, almost making a mockery of the seriousness and scope of Pearl Harbour/World War 2 to equate it to 9/11 and the WoT. Even if 9/11 was still a fairly big event.

There's no comparison whatsoever.

I don't really give a shit about others' reaction to 911 and Pearl Harbor. I am speaking of the attacks on OUR nation and how WE reacted to each.

911 was worse, at least Pearl Harbor was a military target.

JohnG@lt wrote:

Nationalism and patriotism are just tools used by a government to take away more liberties. Blind patriotism is the enemy of any free thinking people because it's using emotion instead of rational thought as a means of getting what it wants.

So how blind were you when you joined up and served. How ashamed are you now for doing so?

Last edited by lowing (2009-10-29 13:32:15)

JohnG@lt wrote:

lowing wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Nationalism and patriotism are just tools used by a government to take away more liberties. Blind patriotism is the enemy of any free thinking people because it's using emotion instead of rational thought as a means of getting what it wants.

So how blind were you when you joined up and served. How ashamed are you now for doing so?

I didn't sign up for any patriotic reasons. I did it for the GI Bill and to learn a skill. It was an equitable trade. They received a soldier to fight in their wars and I learned how to run cable, splice cable, set up a radio shot, run a switchboard, fix a generator, shoot a rifle etc plus they're paying for my degree in electrical engineering. To risk your life for a flag or on the whim of a politician makes you a fool if you don't receive just compensation in return. My just compensation was a college degree. I wouldn't have signed up otherwise.

I truly believe that the nation our Founding Fathers set up was surely the greatest in history, but we've deviated so far from it, that if presented it today, we would find it unrecognizable. So wave that flag all you want, it just lets whoever wraps themselves in said flag to rob you blind.

Can't say I disagree. But you are calling those that want the country back as it was founded, blind patriots. I see it as a defiance against what America has become.

lowing wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

lowing wrote:

We were not attacked at home by NV. There is no difference between 911 and Pearl Harbor except that 911 was worse. If 911 happen 60 years ago, we would be raising the flag over all of the ME by now.

Not really. After Peal Harbour you had governments declaring war on the USA. After 9/11 even the Taliban themselves offered to try Bin Laden in one of their own courts. Totally different situations, almost making a mockery of the seriousness and scope of Pearl Harbour/World War 2 to equate it to 9/11 and the WoT. Even if 9/11 was still a fairly big event.

There's no comparison whatsoever.

I don't really give a shit about others' reaction to 911 and Pearl Harbor. I am speaking of the attacks on OUR nation and how WE reacted to each.

911 was worse, at least Pearl Harbor was a military target.

Exactly. 9/11 was a terrorist attack on civilians perpetrated by terrorists belonging to a non governmental faction (Al Queda), Peal Harbour was a Military Assault on a Military Installation as part of a Governments plan to Subdue, wage war upon and dominate the country. Yes, 9/11 is arguably a worse attack on a moral standpoint, but on a wider scope, Pearl Harbour was an order of magnitude much much more massive than 9/11.

If you think that the US would have "Raised the flag all over the Middle East" if an attack akin to 9/11 happened during the good old days, I think you're delusional about how "Great the US once was"

Infact back then there would have been even less of a chance of the US going around dominating other countries like that. Much less. You do realise one of the main reasons the US has got away with Invading not one, but two countries is the fact that for a long time, and for maybe a few years more, it was the sole world Superpower and could/can pretty much do whatever it wants. Especially during the 90's upto the mid-00's.

You can continue to sit there and think that the US would have invaded and colonised the entire Muslim world during the WW2 era if you want. Maybe that will satisfy whatever desires you have, I dunno, I don't want to get into that shit. I just find it very intriguing that invading two countries still isn't enough for people like you and that the US is acting like a sissy in response to 9/11.

JohnG@lt wrote:

lowing wrote:

Can't say I disagree. But you are calling those that want the country back as it was founded, blind patriots. I see it as a defiance against what America has become.

You don't even know what it means when people say they want America back as it was. Americans viewed their military with fear because they didn't want a return of British oppression. Until the Civil War we had one of the smallest militarys' in the world, on purpose. Even after the Civil War the army was disbanded for the most part and it wasn't until after WWII that we've fallen prey to having such a large standing army.

Before you start listening to those that drape themselves in the flag on Fox and the radio, you should know what it is you are asking for. The right wing is firmly in the pocket of the military industrial complex and all that flag waving is how we ended up supporting 41.5% of the worlds military spending.

where do you people come from? I was speaking of national pride. Believe it or not there once was a time in our country where people actually were proud to be an American. Even immigrants that came here, did so to thrive not exploit. They learned the language and flew the flag.

If you think this is not true, then we will agree to disagree.

Spark wrote:

you're a fucking idiot if you think radical islam is anything even approaching the nazis or the japanese.

Jeez, don't have to call anyone names.