oh, more speaking in tongues. thanks, but that stuff is just as out there as the rest of your "spititual counceling" mumbo-jumbo. c'mon, first you tell me how most of the people on this rock beleave in fairytales and then you quote wikipedia which just about anybody could edit? that's cute.FEOS wrote:
Lazy. Just plain lazy.Shahter wrote:
dude, i did not ask for links to us army's promo site were they speak in tongues just as you do, only the words they use are somewhat prettier - that bullshit i could have found on my own. my question above was a rhetorical one - you can't define "spiritual counceling" in terms of rational logic, and you know it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastoral_counselingLegitimate pastoral counseling affirms the client's own spiritual journey and faith community even those these may be different from the counselors. Thus it precludes proselytizing and "evangelical" efforts to induce the client to change faith communities.
no. that doesn't answer anything at all, actually. information manipulation, as i'm sure you know yourself, doesn't have to be thrown in the face of everybody to work - the most effective kinds of it are subtle and very hard to detect. by subjecting themselves to so called "religious teachings" - irrational stuff, something nobody can define, measure or communicate to each other - people voluntary make themselves vulnerable to more propaganda. that is one purpose i can see any state, army or other organization would use religion for.FEOS wrote:
See above.Shahter wrote:
no matter how many people on this planet beleave in santa claus - it doesn't make him any more real. there were times when earth was beleaved to be flat by everybody, man, so what? we are not discussing fairy tales or those who beleave in them here, i'm trying to get an answer to the simple question from you: if not for religious propaganda what else does us army need those chaplains for?
In nearly 15 years of active duty military service, I can count on both hands the number of times I've seen a chaplain uninvited. And it's never been for "religious propaganda"--it's always been a "I'm the new Command Chaplain and I'm here if you need me".
Does that adequately answer your question?
of course those initiatives are run through legal counsel, would be completely retarded if they weren't, but it's not a matter of legislation at all. it's how those incentives are interpreted and received by the population - and unless polititians stop talking about their religious feelings altogether those will always be a factor.FEOS wrote:
They absolutely do when they are religious in nature. And policy initiatives are ALWAYS run through legal counsel before they go beyond the idea stage.Shahter wrote:
yeah, sure. there's only one teensy little problem - when those feelings are being expressed by somebody like president of the united states very few people take them as personal opinions of just that one dude.FEOS wrote:
Plenty. Personal feelings about a certain topic. Policy that is at odds with that. It happens all the time.
i'm not assuming anything, i'm just saying that a lot of people, myself included, manage to live their lives just fine without religious crutch of any kind to support them.FEOS wrote:
You assume following religious principles and what you describe are mutually exclusive. How ridiculously close-minded.Shahter wrote:
yeah yeah. chooseing to be reasonable; to try to develop and act on ones own moral principles not taken from some dusty old book but based on life experience and commom sence; to accept ones own responsibility for being human and for living in human society - that's the easy way out.
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