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Dilbert_X wrote:

Not to worry, Hillary just stuck her tongue back in their butt.
US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has dismissed the idea that US-Israeli relations are in crisis amid a row over Jewish settlers in Arab East Jerusalem.

She said the two nations had a "close, unshakeable bond" but made clear the US wanted both Israel and the Palestinians to prove their commitment to peace.
....
She said Washington had an "absolute commitment to Israel's security".

But, she added, the US did not always agree with its international allies on everything, and it had expressed its "dismay and disappointment" to Israel over last week's incident.
What is the deal exactly, the Israelis have pics of the founding fathers fiddling with little boys?

All it would take for Israel to make peace with the Palestinians - which is Israels interest - is for the US to threaten to withdraw their funding and their defense umbrella.
So it's not possible to disagree with one's ally over a policy and still remain their ally? One must cut all ties to them? Really?

Talk about hyperbole...
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I have no understanding of why Israel is a US ally.
Its a one way street, OK two-way - the US puts itself out for Israel, Israel tells the US to get fucked.
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So the Israelis put condos before peace.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11422065
US 'disappointed' as settlement building ban endsPalestinian President Mahmoud Abbas: ''We're absolutely determined to press on''
The US says it is "disappointed" by Israel's decision not to extend a ban on West Bank settlement building.

US Middle East envoy George Mitchell has been sent to the region in an attempt to salvage direct peace talks that were restarted earlier this month.
The 10-month moratorium came to an end at midnight (2200 GMT on Sunday).

Palestinian Authority Mahmoud Abbas said he would respond to the decision after a meeting of Arab leaders in Cairo next Monday.
On Sunday, he had warned that the direct Israeli-Palestinian peace talks would be a "waste of time" unless the ban continued.

The UN and the EU also expressed disappointment at what UN chief Ban Ki-moon called Israel's "provocative" actions.
But Israeli Foreign Minister Avider Lieberman said the Palestinians had squandered the moratorium, which he described as a "unilateral gesture of goodwill".
"The Palestinians wasted time and completely refused to accept this gesture and accused Israel that it's a fraud, that it's not serious," he said.
Israel 'must do more'

With peace negotiations in the balance, Mr Abbas is in a difficult position and may be forced to compromise, says the BBC's Jon Donnison in the West Bank town of Ramallah.

Under US pressure, there are signs Palestinian negotiators may accept that the moratorium will not be extended, as long as no major construction takes place in the coming months, our correspondent adds.
On Monday, bulldozers started levelling ground for 50 homes in the settlement of Ariel in the northern West Bank, and similar activity was also reported in the settlements of Adam and Oranit. But construction work was reportedly slow because of the Jewish holiday of Sukkot.

The US state department praised what it called Mr Abbas's restraint, saying the US remained focused on the peace process's long-term objectives.
Mr Abbas said he would discuss the settlement issue with Palestinian negotiators in Ramallah on Wednesday, and the 22-member Arab League in the Egyptian capital Cairo next Monday.
Disappointed, wow, Israel really does have the US by the balls.

To remind everyone, this is the current situation.
https://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/49266000/gif/_49266031_west_bank_464.gif
• 62% under full Israeli control. This area contains all Israeli settlements, roads used by settlers, buffer zones and almost all of the Jordan Valley

• 38% under Palestinian civil control. In more than half of this, Israel has security control • There are 149 settlements and 100 outposts (settlements not authorised by Israel) • Population: 2.4 million Palestinians, 500,000 Jewish or Israeli settlers

So more than 81% of the West Bank is under Israeli military control.

Could anyone here tolerate foreign military control and endless ongoing theft of their country?

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2010-09-27 16:29:39)

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11 Bravo
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its wrong but why dont any other countries stop israel?
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11 Bravo wrote:

its wrong but why dont any other countries stop israel?
Because the US, under instructions from Israel, blocks them every time.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2010-09-27 16:30:08)

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11 Bravo
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bypass the UN then?
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And the US will just militarily threaten any country which does, as they did with Iraq, as they are doing now with Iran, Syria, Lebanon etc.

Israel has the backing of the US, they don't need to negotiate with anyone, they'll ignore the EU and continue with their biblical nutballery in the ME.

In the meantime enjoy the oil price.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2010-09-27 16:38:09)

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11 Bravo
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can you have a discussion without being a troll?  i mean i was trying ffs.
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I'm not trolling, until the US stops the blind support the Israelis have no reason to negotiate and won't.

The Palestinians will continue to suffer their holocaust and the world will suffer ME terrorism.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2010-09-27 16:42:23)

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Oh so if the US doesn't support Israel, terrorism will end?
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Why wouldn't it?
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Why wouldn't it?
Zionist terrorists in the US
rdx-fx
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hrm.  kinda looks like SERE, doesn't it?
Note the one eyebrow raised, etc.


Palestinian Holocaust eh?  Jews are loading the Palestinians into assembly line ovens and chemical death showers by the thousands now?
fucking demagoguery...

Biblical Nutballery? 'cause the Jews have a lock on this in the region, and the wingnut Islamic extremists just want someone to listen to them and give them a big hug...


Palestinians want their ancient homeland back?  Go take Jordan, that's 85% of it right there, then ask Israel about the 5% they're on.
Oh, right.. it's not about that, it's about getting rid of the Jews from the 0.03% of the middle east they currently occupy.
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11 Bravo wrote:

its wrong but why dont any other countries stop israel?
Using " illegal force " is a War crime. So is regime change.
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Hunter/Jumper wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

its wrong but why dont any other countries stop israel?
Using " illegal force " is a War crime. So is regime change.
didn't we change the Iraqi regime?
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rdx-fx wrote:

Palestinian Holocaust eh?  Jews are loading the Palestinians into assembly line ovens and chemical death showers by the thousands now?
Herding them into ghettos and controlling their food supply isn't much different.

Biblical Nutballery? 'cause the Jews have a lock on this in the region, and the wingnut Islamic extremists just want someone to listen to them and give them a big hug...
Jewish and Islamic extremists are two sides of a three-sided coin.

Palestinians want their ancient homeland back?  Go take Jordan, that's 85% of it right there, then ask Israel about the 5% they're on.
Oh, right.. it's not about that, it's about getting rid of the Jews from the 0.03% of the middle east they currently occupy.
Hitler only had ~5% of the world's white christian landmass, clearly we should just have stood back and let him keep it.
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Why wouldn't it?
A significant portion of Islamic terrorism has nothing to do with Israel.

That being said, I would prefer we cut our ties to Israel... and Saudi Arabia for that matter.
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11 Bravo wrote:

its wrong but why dont any other countries stop israel?
We have all tried you know.

ISRAEL has refused requests by the US, the European Union and the Middle East quartet to extend the freeze on Jewish settlements in the West Bank.
This leaves the recently resumed Middle East peace talks struggling.

Despite frantic last-minute efforts by the US to convince Israel to compromise on the issue of settlement building, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu ended the freeze.

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas responded angrily, saying: "Without freezing the settlements, the entire negotiations are just a waste of time, and nothing more."

But Mr Abbas did not make an immediate decision on whether to continue the talks, saying he would consult the Arab League in Cairo next Monday.

The US was desperately trying to broker a compromise that Mr Abbas could take to the Arab League, under which the freeze would be extended for up to two months. "We remain in close touch with both parties and will be meeting with them again in the coming days," State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/wo … 5930242638
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Turquoise wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Why wouldn't it?
A significant portion of Islamic terrorism has nothing to do with Israel.

That being said, I would prefer we cut our ties to Israel... and Saudi Arabia for that matter.
That should about cover all ME terrorism directed at the US.
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I wonder why the Jews in the United States still support our President when he does shit like this.
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Hunter/Jumper wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

its wrong but why dont any other countries stop israel?
Using " illegal force " is a War crime. So is regime change.
regime change isnt a war crime wtf are you on about.
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Harmor
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"Israelis don't want peace" is code for "Israelis are not going to give up land peace".
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Cybargs wrote:

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

its wrong but why dont any other countries stop israel?
Using " illegal force " is a War crime. So is regime change.
regime change isnt a war crime wtf are you on about.
Regime change is indeed a specific war crim.e
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Why wouldn't it?
A significant portion of Islamic terrorism has nothing to do with Israel.

That being said, I would prefer we cut our ties to Israel... and Saudi Arabia for that matter.
That should about cover all ME terrorism directed at the US.
So...Pakistan? Parts of Africa? Phillipines?

I think you're being pretty naive if you think terrorism will simply vanish like a fart in a gust if connections were severed with these places.

The problems aren't with the U.S. or any other foreign nation, its with the ME nations themselves. Look at Abu Dhabi, Jordan and Dubai, places that are more or less acceptant of the outside world, and then compare them with those which aren't. Most of their problems stem from their own stubborness.
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Cybargs wrote:

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

its wrong but why dont any other countries stop israel?
Using " illegal force " is a War crime. So is regime change.
regime change isnt a war crime wtf are you on about.
I can't remember where (Geneva Protocol IV?) but I do specifically recall reading that a war fought with the express purpose of regime change is technically illegal.
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