Action - Reaction. Al Qaeda attacks America (and specifically calls for AMERICANS to be killed in all of its pre-attack propaganda), America and Europe invade Afghanistan (legitimately) and then Iraq (wrongly) and then Europe suffers some hitherto unexperienced attacks. The primary enemy for Al Qaeda was always America, Europe isn't as sexy an enemy - it isn't 'Great Satany' enough, not that we won't be attacked again at some point.lowing wrote:
I notice you did n't actually, argue against my point. Just tried to excuse the reasonCameronPoe wrote:
All direct consequences of having intervened in Iraq. Hooray!lowing wrote:
Well it is a good thing that Bali, London and Spain have got absolutley nothing to do with it then huh?
And why did you guys do that - because you didn't want the USSR to move in. Self interest. Quite simple really.lowing wrote:
you can defewnd yourselves precisely because the US stood gaurd over you so you could grow and gain power to do so. Period.
I find the US held notion that they're doing the world a great favour by going into global hotspots and "sorting things out" interesting. Do Americans really think that they're protecting Europe? C'mon, the nations of Europe are more than capable of defending themselves if it came down to it. The fact that Cam was alluding to is that the war in Iraq in particular has certainly exacerbated the feelings of hatred towards the United States and the western world in general and things like Bali and the London bombings are the result of that.lowing wrote:
Nope, but do you wanna compare casualities really? I mena since this is not a fight to protect the US only.
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really TY? most people would love freedom. not sure many people thought people in that part of the world can only be controlled by a dictator who gasses them and has lovely rape rooms.
and if that is your explanation for those bombings, explain all the ones prior to sept 12, 2001.
and if that is your explanation for those bombings, explain all the ones prior to sept 12, 2001.
Key word: exacerbated. I'm not saying those feelings didn't exist prior to but it's likely that the US-led invasion certainly made more crazies willing to pull the kind of shit they did. I mean c'mon, if you house feelings of resentment towards a nation or the set of ideologies it represents you're probably going to feel somewhat more strongly about it when that nation invades your country, (or the country that you feel some connection with.)
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If you were a civilian in what since did you 'serve' as opposed to just 'work'?lowing wrote:
Gee I served as well, and I also was over in Iraq in 07 and 08 dodging rockets and mortars, I was a civilian over there.
And if you were a civilian how were you 'dodging' anything.
W.JohnG@lt wrote:
California is DOA because people like this are the voting base:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xa5ans … n-fail_fun
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I served in the USAFruisleipa wrote:
If you were a civilian in what since did you 'serve' as opposed to just 'work'?lowing wrote:
Gee I served as well, and I also was over in Iraq in 07 and 08 dodging rockets and mortars, I was a civilian over there.
And if you were a civilian how were you 'dodging' anything.
Because indirect fire does not discriminate. It will kill a civilian just as dead as it will a soldier
Where you talking about me leaving? Yeah Millionairs leaving california, to go rape and pilliage some other state.. I looked at it but I'm wondering how many jobs they've taken with them?
When the bottom falls out, people run to protect what they've stolen.. I hear so many stories from friends and other people about Rich Famous People showing up places, eating a meal or getting a haircut and not expecting to pay a bill cause of who they are. When the bottom drys up it makes the top useless, what happens when playing monopoly and one person runs out of money, they lose or they stop playing?
P.S. I live in Garfield and use to live in Jersey City, alot of New Jersey is being taken over by gangs.. Paterson just got run over by Bloods(from what I"ve heard) and are going through a pretty violent street war.
When the bottom falls out, people run to protect what they've stolen.. I hear so many stories from friends and other people about Rich Famous People showing up places, eating a meal or getting a haircut and not expecting to pay a bill cause of who they are. When the bottom drys up it makes the top useless, what happens when playing monopoly and one person runs out of money, they lose or they stop playing?
P.S. I live in Garfield and use to live in Jersey City, alot of New Jersey is being taken over by gangs.. Paterson just got run over by Bloods(from what I"ve heard) and are going through a pretty violent street war.
Yeah how terrible of us. We helped liberate Europe in order to have free nations and allies to trade with. Never mind the fact that all the land we fought and died for was, not held as spoils of war, but rebuilt and returned to their govts. Even the land of our enemies was rebuilt and returned.CameronPoe wrote:
And why did you guys do that - because you didn't want the USSR to move in. Self interest. Quite simple really.lowing wrote:
you can defewnd yourselves precisely because the US stood gaurd over you so you could grow and gain power to do so. Period.
Nope, the US defended and protected and aided Europe until you were strong enough to:Ty wrote:
I find the US held notion that they're doing the world a great favour by going into global hotspots and "sorting things out" interesting. Do Americans really think that they're protecting Europe? C'mon, the nations of Europe are more than capable of defending themselves if it came down to it. The fact that Cam was alluding to is that the war in Iraq in particular has certainly exacerbated the feelings of hatred towards the United States and the western world in general and things like Bali and the London bombings are the result of that.lowing wrote:
Nope, but do you wanna compare casualities really? I mena since this is not a fight to protect the US only.
1. defend yourselves
2. trash the US for not minding its own business.
We were right to go into Iraq, and Bush was right about Iran.
Love it. If you succeed in life you had to have raped and pilliaged to do so. Hard work, earning sacrifice, ambition has got nothing to do with it. Nothing more to say about this post. It speaks for itself.cpt.fass1 wrote:
Where you talking about me leaving? Yeah Millionairs leaving california, to go rape and pilliage some other state.. I looked at it but I'm wondering how many jobs they've taken with them?
When the bottom falls out, people run to protect what they've stolen.. I hear so many stories from friends and other people about Rich Famous People showing up places, eating a meal or getting a haircut and not expecting to pay a bill cause of who they are. When the bottom drys up it makes the top useless, what happens when playing monopoly and one person runs out of money, they lose or they stop playing?
P.S. I live in Garfield and use to live in Jersey City, alot of New Jersey is being taken over by gangs.. Paterson just got run over by Bloods(from what I"ve heard) and are going through a pretty violent street war.
Not anymore man, you're at where you're at in this country.. There's really no way to grow higher. There are too many road blocks to suceed though the stuff you said. Most people are born into what they have..lowing wrote:
Love it. If you succeed in life you had to have raped and pilliaged to do so. Hard work, earning sacrifice, ambition has got nothing to do with it. Nothing more to say about this post. It speaks for itself.cpt.fass1 wrote:
Where you talking about me leaving? Yeah Millionairs leaving california, to go rape and pilliage some other state.. I looked at it but I'm wondering how many jobs they've taken with them?
When the bottom falls out, people run to protect what they've stolen.. I hear so many stories from friends and other people about Rich Famous People showing up places, eating a meal or getting a haircut and not expecting to pay a bill cause of who they are. When the bottom drys up it makes the top useless, what happens when playing monopoly and one person runs out of money, they lose or they stop playing?
P.S. I live in Garfield and use to live in Jersey City, alot of New Jersey is being taken over by gangs.. Paterson just got run over by Bloods(from what I"ve heard) and are going through a pretty violent street war.
I love the sounds of the American Dream and am all for living it. But the American dream is only for the Immigrants..
America the Land where you put your head down and bust your ass, your job will just be taken away and given to a third world country. But hey don't worry once America becomes a third world country again, we'll bring it back.
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No. Fucking. Way. If you believe you are stuck you will be stuck. There is absolutely nothing in this country holding anyone back. You just have to make correct choices and choose the correct path. Yes, if you have the skillset of a dishwasher you're going to be poor the rest of your life. People always have the opportunity to change their skillset and become more valuable, this is what leads to riches. If your goal in life is to be a musician you better be in the top 0.01% or you're going to be poor. Common sense.cpt.fass1 wrote:
Not anymore man, you're at where you're at in this country.. There's really no way to grow higher. There are too many road blocks to suceed though the stuff you said. Most people are born into what they have..
I love the sounds of the American Dream and am all for living it. But the American dream is only for the Immigrants..
I have encountered zero road blocks in my life even though I was born poor to a single parent living on a USPS clerks salary. I joined the Army to pay for school and I will graduate with a degree in electrical engineering that will start me at $80k a year, double what my mom makes. I have no intention of just going to work 40 hours a week for the rest of my life and doing nothing else, it will get me nowhere. You gotta keep hustling, investing, and planning to get ahead. It's hard work yes, but much better than seeing my kids grow up while wearing the same pair of sneakers for five years.
The American Dream is far from dead, it's just been corrupted and beaten down by lazy pessimists like yourself. You have to work for it, it won't be handed to you.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
yeah Lazy Pessimists like myself, the work hard shit is a load of crap. This is one of the harder countries to get ahead it's actually proven in the world economy. We ARE a corporate shell, there is no protection for the working man..
We use to be someone protected by Unions, but a Union can't help us if the company goes to an other country..
We use to be someone protected by Unions, but a Union can't help us if the company goes to an other country..
You didn't pay attention to a word I said. You have to make yourself marketable with skills companies actually need. If you put all your eggs in one basket and expect a job to carry you to riches you're just being lazy and taking the easy way out. If you worked at a job for ten years and it packed up and went to China you should be at a point in your life where it doesn't even make you bat an eyelash. You should already have a second house that you are renting out and working towards a third. You should be thinking about what type of company you yourself want to start. Sure, sit there and piss and moan that all the 'good jobs' went overseas, I'll be laughing on my way to the bank.cpt.fass1 wrote:
yeah Lazy Pessimists like myself, the work hard shit is a load of crap. This is one of the harder countries to get ahead it's actually proven in the world economy. We ARE a corporate shell, there is no protection for the working man..
We use to be someone protected by Unions, but a Union can't help us if the company goes to an other country..
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
partly depends how you/your society judges success or failure. I live on about 1000 euro a month where the avergae wage is above 3000, and I couldn' give a crap cos I'm happy
of course not everyone is in a situation where they can do that, I know.
of course not everyone is in a situation where they can do that, I know.
I see, so obviously the solution is to NOT become marketable and educated, and simply lay back and let Obama fulfill your every wish.cpt.fass1 wrote:
Not anymore man, you're at where you're at in this country.. There's really no way to grow higher. There are too many road blocks to suceed though the stuff you said. Most people are born into what they have..lowing wrote:
Love it. If you succeed in life you had to have raped and pilliaged to do so. Hard work, earning sacrifice, ambition has got nothing to do with it. Nothing more to say about this post. It speaks for itself.cpt.fass1 wrote:
Where you talking about me leaving? Yeah Millionairs leaving california, to go rape and pilliage some other state.. I looked at it but I'm wondering how many jobs they've taken with them?
When the bottom falls out, people run to protect what they've stolen.. I hear so many stories from friends and other people about Rich Famous People showing up places, eating a meal or getting a haircut and not expecting to pay a bill cause of who they are. When the bottom drys up it makes the top useless, what happens when playing monopoly and one person runs out of money, they lose or they stop playing?
P.S. I live in Garfield and use to live in Jersey City, alot of New Jersey is being taken over by gangs.. Paterson just got run over by Bloods(from what I"ve heard) and are going through a pretty violent street war.
I love the sounds of the American Dream and am all for living it. But the American dream is only for the Immigrants..
America the Land where you put your head down and bust your ass, your job will just be taken away and given to a third world country. But hey don't worry once America becomes a third world country again, we'll bring it back.
If you try hard enough you make sure you are a failure, it seems easier for you than success.
A second home working a job, wtf lol.
Absolutely. Just have to find a non-useless woman to marry. Between myself and my gf (who I will marry when I graduate) we'll be making about $170k a year. We don't plan on living like we make $170k a year though, which is the key. Can easily live on $70k while pumping $100k a year into our first home and have it paid off within 5-6 years. Then you buy house #2 and have the rent cover the basic mortgage payment and pay off that house in 4 years, then you buy house #3 etc. Now, if we right off the bat decide to make the minimum payments, spend our excess income on vacations, nice cars and new clothes whenever we want we'll have nothing. It's what most people do, and they wonder why they can't get ahead.ATG wrote:
A second home working a job, wtf lol.
I would rather appear poor than be poor. Most people would rather appear wealthy and be poor. Substance > Style.
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"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Dude, this is straight out of a book, a book that in fact has ruined the lives of a few of my clients.JohnG@lt wrote:
Absolutely. Just have to find a non-useless woman to marry. Between myself and my gf (who I will marry when I graduate) we'll be making about $170k a year. We don't plan on living like we make $170k a year though, which is the key. Can easily live on $70k while pumping $100k a year into our first home and have it paid off within 5-6 years. Then you buy house #2 and have the rent cover the basic mortgage payment and pay off that house in 4 years, then you buy house #3 etc. Now, if we right off the bat decide to make the minimum payments, spend our excess income on vacations, nice cars and new clothes whenever we want we'll have nothing. It's what most people do, and they wonder why they can't get ahead.ATG wrote:
A second home working a job, wtf lol.
My advice: throw away that book.
I didn't read any book Yes, if they did this during the housing bubble they got screwed. No doubt about it. Now is the best time to buy though and on a long enough timeline those people you mentioned would've made a profit if they held onto it. Right now I'm sure things are looking dismal. Besides, I'm not looking to make a quick buck at all. The houses will be purchased as future rentals that will increase my wages when I'm old. I also want to invest in land and turn it into a tree farm after the 4th house.Pug wrote:
Dude, this is straight out of a book, a book that in fact has ruined the lives of a few of my clients.JohnG@lt wrote:
Absolutely. Just have to find a non-useless woman to marry. Between myself and my gf (who I will marry when I graduate) we'll be making about $170k a year. We don't plan on living like we make $170k a year though, which is the key. Can easily live on $70k while pumping $100k a year into our first home and have it paid off within 5-6 years. Then you buy house #2 and have the rent cover the basic mortgage payment and pay off that house in 4 years, then you buy house #3 etc. Now, if we right off the bat decide to make the minimum payments, spend our excess income on vacations, nice cars and new clothes whenever we want we'll have nothing. It's what most people do, and they wonder why they can't get ahead.ATG wrote:
A second home working a job, wtf lol.
My advice: throw away that book.
I am by no means suggesting house flipping or any other stupid high risk crap like that. Look throughout history and it's those with land that don't starve during recessions
Also have to take into account that if you pay $500,000 for a house and can only get $2000 a month for rent it's going to take 21 years to start seeing a profit. Buying a rental property when you're 50 does nothing for you.
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"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
The housing flipping is no longer... Smart banks, you have to hold onto a property for at least 3 months, no short sale flips anymore :-(.. Whoo is me.
Realistically though, The idea of buying a house living in it paying off the mortgage is all fine and good intill the Government wants there money, you have to pay taxes on all that positive income, remember that.. If it's not the property that you own and you have to sell it for what ever reason, anything over 40k(different from state to state) is capital gains.. While renting is a great idea it also slumps when there aren't JOBS out there, so it's still a real risky business that were most your properties can end up costing you..
Education cost money as well so the find a way to market yourself is really bullshit. Right now a good portion of the students I know are going for nursing or education, which is going to make those industries the next bubble to burst..
I really hope your dream does work out for you, just remember to at least LLC yourself with your investment properties.
Realistically though, The idea of buying a house living in it paying off the mortgage is all fine and good intill the Government wants there money, you have to pay taxes on all that positive income, remember that.. If it's not the property that you own and you have to sell it for what ever reason, anything over 40k(different from state to state) is capital gains.. While renting is a great idea it also slumps when there aren't JOBS out there, so it's still a real risky business that were most your properties can end up costing you..
Education cost money as well so the find a way to market yourself is really bullshit. Right now a good portion of the students I know are going for nursing or education, which is going to make those industries the next bubble to burst..
I really hope your dream does work out for you, just remember to at least LLC yourself with your investment properties.
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Mad Money...by some loooooooniticJohnG@lt wrote:
I didn't read any book Yes, if they did this during the housing bubble they got screwed. No doubt about it. Now is the best time to buy though and on a long enough timeline those people you mentioned would've made a profit if they held onto it. Right now I'm sure things are looking dismal. Besides, I'm not looking to make a quick buck at all. The houses will be purchased as future rentals that will increase my wages when I'm old. I also want to invest in land and turn it into a tree farm after the 4th house.
I am by no means suggesting house flipping or any other stupid high risk crap like that. Look throughout history and it's those with land that don't starve during recessions
Also have to take into account that if you pay $500,000 for a house and can only get $2000 a month for rent it's going to take 21 years to start seeing a profit. Buying a rental property when you're 50 does nothing for you.
They overextended themselves when they lost their renters, it wasn't house flipping.
Alternative: invest in something else, that's all I'm saying.
I understand exactly what you are saying. But how many of them got complacent and overextended themselves to the point that they were depending on the rent in order to make mortgage payments etc? I wasn't suggesting to live frugally for only 5 years and then go nuts. It's a lifetime lifestyle thing. I want to live comfortably yes, and I will, but I don't have any desire to fake being wealthier than I am. I don't need or want a $100k yacht even though I'll be able to afford it etc. Everything I will earn is meant to be passed down to my future children, and I'm going to teach them to do the same exact thing for their kids. It's how 'old money' in this country has done it for centuriesPug wrote:
Mad Money...by some loooooooniticJohnG@lt wrote:
I didn't read any book Yes, if they did this during the housing bubble they got screwed. No doubt about it. Now is the best time to buy though and on a long enough timeline those people you mentioned would've made a profit if they held onto it. Right now I'm sure things are looking dismal. Besides, I'm not looking to make a quick buck at all. The houses will be purchased as future rentals that will increase my wages when I'm old. I also want to invest in land and turn it into a tree farm after the 4th house.
I am by no means suggesting house flipping or any other stupid high risk crap like that. Look throughout history and it's those with land that don't starve during recessions
Also have to take into account that if you pay $500,000 for a house and can only get $2000 a month for rent it's going to take 21 years to start seeing a profit. Buying a rental property when you're 50 does nothing for you.
They overextended themselves when they lost their renters, it wasn't house flipping.
Alternative: invest in something else, that's all I'm saying.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat