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2011-11-05 15:40:36

#126

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Jay wrote:
DesertFox- wrote:
The 24 seems a bit low (though it's still more than my sister is making at present), but 30k pounds is nothing to scoff at if you're living on your own. Sure, you won't be able to live in a penthouse in the middle of NYC, but that's certainly good enough.
You wouldn't be able to afford NYC at all. More than half your pay would go towards rent.

60k a year in sydney is pretty shit too. rent for my place is 675 a week 2 rooms XD coz i live right next to a train station gg.

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2011-11-05 15:44:41

#127

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5578|London, England

Cybargs wrote:
Jay wrote:
DesertFox- wrote:
The 24 seems a bit low (though it's still more than my sister is making at present), but 30k pounds is nothing to scoff at if you're living on your own. Sure, you won't be able to live in a penthouse in the middle of NYC, but that's certainly good enough.
You wouldn't be able to afford NYC at all. More than half your pay would go towards rent.
60k a year in sydney is pretty shit too. rent for my place is 675 a week 2 rooms XD coz i live right next to a train station gg.

My rent is very low at $1460/month.

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2011-11-05 15:46:00

#128

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Jay wrote:
Cybargs wrote:
Jay wrote:

You wouldn't be able to afford NYC at all. More than half your pay would go towards rent.
60k a year in sydney is pretty shit too. rent for my place is 675 a week 2 rooms XD coz i live right next to a train station gg.
My rent is very low at $1460/month.

thats pretty fucking cheap for NYC, but then again youre in queens

2011-11-05 16:20:36

#129

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6691

HaiBai wrote:
Uzique wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
the other being that I like being paid).
herp derp 2 of my friends that graduated in my class with the same class degree as me now have hr/recruitment jobs in the city for £24/30k a year starting salary, aged 21/22. i suppose that's not being paid to you though, right, because they're not chartered and don't mess around with tools in their spare time like REAL EDUCATED AND REAL SMARTS AND SUCCESSFUL people do.
since when is that a starting salary to be proud of

you clearly don't know anything about starting salaries for graduate work, do you? the average is something like £19k. of course as people before have said it depends on location/living costs, and there are some professions that have a pretty high starting salary, but a graduate career path is all about the mid to long-term prospects. living in london is also like £500/month minimum even in the far-out zones that will cost you £50/week in commuting costs. gg.

btw the starting salaries i quoted, something "not to be proud of" are twice the mean per capita income of your state. gg haibai you fucking mong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_l … ita_income

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2011-11-05 16:24:05

#130

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5578|London, England

Uzique wrote:
HaiBai wrote:
Uzique wrote:

herp derp 2 of my friends that graduated in my class with the same class degree as me now have hr/recruitment jobs in the city for £24/30k a year starting salary, aged 21/22. i suppose that's not being paid to you though, right, because they're not chartered and don't mess around with tools in their spare time like REAL EDUCATED AND REAL SMARTS AND SUCCESSFUL people do.
since when is that a starting salary to be proud of
you clearly don't know anything about starting salaries for graduate work, do you? the average is something like £19k. of course as people before have said it depends on location/living costs, and there are some professions that have a pretty high starting salary, but a graduate career path is all about the mid to long-term prospects. living in london is also like £500/month minimum even in the far-out zones that will cost you £50/week in commuting costs. gg.

btw the starting salaries i quoted, something "not to be proud of" are twice the mean per capita income of your state. gg haibai you fucking mong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_l … ita_income

per capita income counts kids

2011-11-05 16:28:13

#131

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6691

i thought that was household income, my bad. but still $40k dollars is a very respectable starting salary. i don't know wtf the 14 year old is on about.

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2011-11-05 16:28:49

#132

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6936

Jay wrote:
Uzique wrote:
HaiBai wrote:

since when is that a starting salary to be proud of
you clearly don't know anything about starting salaries for graduate work, do you? the average is something like £19k. of course as people before have said it depends on location/living costs, and there are some professions that have a pretty high starting salary, but a graduate career path is all about the mid to long-term prospects. living in london is also like £500/month minimum even in the far-out zones that will cost you £50/week in commuting costs. gg.

btw the starting salaries i quoted, something "not to be proud of" are twice the mean per capita income of your state. gg haibai you fucking mong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_l … ita_income
per capita income counts kids

You want to look at per capita income of employed workers. Also adjust for cost of living zique, surely you know better than that. But 30k quid a year is pretty nice start though

2011-11-05 16:30:40

#133

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6691

sure cybargs if you can find me a list that will condense all of that information down into a neatly comparable summary to london... be my guest. i'm using rough figures because there is obviously no way you can compare the two at a glance. all of this ultimately comes around to the point that dilbert is yet again being a bit repetitive with his "anything except engineering doesn't pay" line, and haibai is fucking delusional.

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2011-11-05 16:30:49

#134

HaiBai: Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me; +304|5704|Bolingbrook, Illinois

Uzique wrote:
HaiBai wrote:
Uzique wrote:

herp derp 2 of my friends that graduated in my class with the same class degree as me now have hr/recruitment jobs in the city for £24/30k a year starting salary, aged 21/22. i suppose that's not being paid to you though, right, because they're not chartered and don't mess around with tools in their spare time like REAL EDUCATED AND REAL SMARTS AND SUCCESSFUL people do.
since when is that a starting salary to be proud of
you clearly don't know anything about starting salaries for graduate work, do you? the average is something like £19k. of course as people before have said it depends on location/living costs, and there are some professions that have a pretty high starting salary, but a graduate career path is all about the mid to long-term prospects. living in london is also like £500/month minimum even in the far-out zones that will cost you £50/week in commuting costs. gg.

btw the starting salaries i quoted, something "not to be proud of" are twice the mean per capita income of your state. gg haibai you fucking mong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_l … ita_income

idc. i'm 17 and the company i work part time for offered me a 60k fulltime job if i dropped out of high school. if i can make more than two guys out of college i fail to see how that's impressive

FYI i live in dupage county which is #1 on that list

2011-11-05 16:31:42

#135

HaiBai: Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me; +304|5704|Bolingbrook, Illinois

btw i am a programmer so dilbert makes a good point about engineering

2011-11-05 16:34:02

#136

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6691

i don't think you can put a price on education, in the general sense. $60k is like £35k here, which means you'd lose your entire education to go work fulltime for a company, with a significantly weaker resumé for the future. how does that sound more desirable to you than spending 3/4 years at college, living the college lifestyle, having fun and opening your mind? graduates will easily be making $60k dollars within the first few years of a grad scheme, plus they spent the prime years of young adulthood having a blast. your offer sees you working fulltime at age 17 in a career path that sees you hitting a glass ceiling at age 30 when all the college grads kill you in interviews. you're a wise one, haibai.

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2011-11-05 16:35:37

#137

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6936

HaiBai wrote:
offered me a 60k fulltime job if i dropped out of high school.

bullshit alert

2011-11-05 16:36:21

#138

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6691

HaiBai wrote:
btw i am a programmer so dilbert makes a good point about engineering

computer science and programming are some of the least employable degrees here in the uk. the tricky thing about computers and computer language is that they're universal, and guys in india are much more hardworking and will do your job for a lot less money. it's not the 90's anymore, computer science degrees aren't a quickpass to a top company and swanky lifestyle. fyi when i worked at apple this summer most of their programming/tech nut guys had PhD's... about half of them not even in computer related fields. my personal boss had a PhD in history, and had got up to scratch on his computer skills in his own time / after finishing college. bearing in mind that all of these people have a degree, or several. i don't know why you think dropping out of high school is a smart choice.

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2011-11-05 16:36:42

#139

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Cybargs wrote:
HaiBai wrote:
offered me a 60k fulltime job if i dropped out of high school.
bullshit alert

this man does know bullshit after all

2011-11-05 16:39:32

#140

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6936

Uzique wrote:
HaiBai wrote:
btw i am a programmer so dilbert makes a good point about engineering
computer science and programming are some of the least employable degrees here in the uk. the tricky thing about computers and computer language is that they're universal, and guys in india are much more hardworking and will do your job for a lot less money. it's not the 90's anymore, computer science degrees aren't a quickpass to a top company and swanky lifestyle. fyi when i worked at apple this summer most of their programming/tech nut guys had PhD's... about half of them not even in computer related fields. my personal boss had a PhD in history, and had got up to scratch on his computer skills in his own time / after finishing college. bearing in mind that all of these people have a degree, or several. i don't know why you think dropping out of high school is a smart choice.

There's about 30% of people in my state that don't graduate high school and most of them go into trade jobs (blue collar) and get paid around 60k, but then again its hard fucking labour and they'll hit a career ceiling pretty soon unless they're fucking smart. Mining jobs have been good here recently, most starting salaries by years end (after some initial training etc) is around 150k.

2011-11-05 16:40:35

#141

HaiBai: Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me; +304|5704|Bolingbrook, Illinois

in my industry, experience means way more than education. my resume would look much better if i skipped college and got a full-time job right now. a degree doesn't mean anything in the field of computer science. if you know your shit you're going to do well in interviews and you'll get the job you want.

either way, my dream is to become an entrepreneur and to start my own company, but we'll see how that works out. i'm a bit young to be worrying about things like that.

btw, i never said i was taking the job offer. i'm definately not missing out on the four best years of my life.

2011-11-05 16:44:16

#142

HaiBai: Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me; +304|5704|Bolingbrook, Illinois

Cybargs wrote:
HaiBai wrote:
offered me a 60k fulltime job if i dropped out of high school.
bullshit alert

why? is it really that hard to believe that i'm a competent programmer who can contribute to a company at the age of 17? i mean, i started when i was 12. if i wasn't competent after doing this stuff for 5 years i must have been retarded.

Uzique wrote:
HaiBai wrote:
btw i am a programmer so dilbert makes a good point about engineering
computer science and programming are some of the least employable degrees here in the uk. the tricky thing about computers and computer language is that they're universal, and guys in india are much more hardworking and will do your job for a lot less money. it's not the 90's anymore, computer science degrees aren't a quickpass to a top company and swanky lifestyle. fyi when i worked at apple this summer most of their programming/tech nut guys had PhD's... about half of them not even in computer related fields. my personal boss had a PhD in history, and had got up to scratch on his computer skills in his own time / after finishing college. bearing in mind that all of these people have a degree, or several. i don't know why you think dropping out of high school is a smart choice.

that's why i plan on doing more then just generic programming. i plan on becoming a consultant who deals with reverse engineering and security. then after making decent income with that i can try to start my own company

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2011-11-05 16:44:43

#143

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5578|London, England

Cost of living index has London at 36% more expensive than Chicago.

£20,000 = $32,076

£20,000(1.36) = £27,200 = $43,623

In English, if you took that £20,000 salary and moved to Chicago, it would be as if you were suddenly making £27,200, or $43,623. Or conversely, you would need $43,623 in Chicago dollars in order to live in London as a person making £20,000 per year.

The mean salary in London is £33,861($54,306.27), the mean salary in Chicago is $63,326(£39,484).

So, the average Chicagoan makes £5,500($8,820.90) more per year, and pays 36% less in living expenses.

There you go Uzique, your proper comparison.

2011-11-05 16:51:29

#144

HaiBai: Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me; +304|5704|Bolingbrook, Illinois

also, i'm not trying to shit on anyone or trying to brag about how smart i am.

programming/reverse engineering is simply what i'm passionate about and what i want to do for the rest of my life.

i just didn't see how the starting salaries of the guys who got a degree were impressive if i could make as much now. but then again, you can't compare that because the industries are completely different. in computer science you don't need a degree to be successful

2011-11-05 16:56:58

#145

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6936

HaiBai wrote:
Cybargs wrote:
HaiBai wrote:
offered me a 60k fulltime job if i dropped out of high school.
bullshit alert
why? is it really that hard to believe that i'm a competent programmer who can contribute to a company at the age of 17? i mean, i started when i was 12. if i wasn't competent after doing this stuff for 5 years i must have been retarded.
Uzique wrote:
HaiBai wrote:
btw i am a programmer so dilbert makes a good point about engineering
computer science and programming are some of the least employable degrees here in the uk. the tricky thing about computers and computer language is that they're universal, and guys in india are much more hardworking and will do your job for a lot less money. it's not the 90's anymore, computer science degrees aren't a quickpass to a top company and swanky lifestyle. fyi when i worked at apple this summer most of their programming/tech nut guys had PhD's... about half of them not even in computer related fields. my personal boss had a PhD in history, and had got up to scratch on his computer skills in his own time / after finishing college. bearing in mind that all of these people have a degree, or several. i don't know why you think dropping out of high school is a smart choice.
that's why i plan on doing more then just generic programming. i plan on becoming a consultant who deals with reverse engineering and security. then after making decent income with that i can try to start my own company

Sure it'll help you out until you want to move to upper management. My Aunt works for the gov and in order to get her promotion she had to do a postgrad while she worked because it was a new requirement. She didn't have an undergrad and was lucky she did her postgrad well. No matter what industry you're in, educational requirements will be increasing not decreasing.

2011-11-05 18:28:30

#146

HaiBai: Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me; +304|5704|Bolingbrook, Illinois

yeah but i don't really want to move up the chain of command slowly. i want to make my own

2011-11-05 18:30:13

#147

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6691

it's the same over here in business and major organisations. experience and real pragmatic work know-how is great for your 20's and for sailing through the lower positions. but then when you start to see job advertisements or vacancies for middle/senior management, or a position of some authority, they start talking about master's degrees and mba's... education pays off then, 10-15 years after you've got the certificate.

and yeah, jay, your figures are kinda depressing. living in london is expensive as shit, hectic as shit, and competitive as shit. but once you get on the ladder it is definitely a gravytrain. and the rest of the country is much cheaper to live in on a day-to-day basis than london, so you can typically do a 10-15 year stretch in a heart-attack inducing job and then just chill the fuck out.

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2011-11-05 20:01:59

#148

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5578|London, England

Uzique wrote:
it's the same over here in business and major organisations. experience and real pragmatic work know-how is great for your 20's and for sailing through the lower positions. but then when you start to see job advertisements or vacancies for middle/senior management, or a position of some authority, they start talking about master's degrees and mba's... education pays off then, 10-15 years after you've got the certificate.

and yeah, jay, your figures are kinda depressing. living in london is expensive as shit, hectic as shit, and competitive as shit. but once you get on the ladder it is definitely a gravytrain. and the rest of the country is much cheaper to live in on a day-to-day basis than london, so you can typically do a 10-15 year stretch in a heart-attack inducing job and then just chill the fuck out.

To be fair, Chicago businesses need to pay more to draw people to work there. Most Americans want to live on one of the coasts, not in the Midwest. It's also why the cost of living is so cheap.

2011-11-05 20:39:43

#149

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6936

HaiBai wrote:
yeah but i don't really want to move up the chain of command slowly. i want to make my own

The higher you are in management, the less technical skills required and more social and business related ones are needed.

2011-11-05 21:15:07

#150

HaiBai: Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me; +304|5704|Bolingbrook, Illinois

true, but that's why you learn from trial and error. i've read and researched a ton about software startups and almost everybody who does one didn't major in business and etc

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