College/University Homework Help Thread v1.0

2011-11-06 10:57:09

#226

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5358|London, England

Macbeth wrote:
The school I'm at, Rutgers, is adding a bunch of new buildings to it's main campus for business students. More bigger dorms just for more of them too. I hear at other schools they are doing the same. I don't think it's sustainable at all. There aren't enough jobs in the world for all the bussiness students they plan on pumping out. It's going to end up like law degrees. Those used to be the ticket to success but now...

Well, the real problem with that is they end up dumbing down the curriculum and saturating the market. People with Wharton degrees will still be the ones in demand and the ones from dumbed down schools will be no better off than they would be with an arts degree.

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-Frederick Bastiat

2011-11-06 10:59:32

#227

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5358|London, England

Uzique wrote:
we still do have those institutions. they're the red bricks and classical universities of the russell and 1994 group. but even they are eroding to the marketisation of higher-education. which imho is one of the mosts depressing things to happen during our generation. now youths feel squeezed to take some bullshit easy course in 'management' or 'hospitality services' or something because the crippling £35k debt has to lead to a directly applicable career option. pssht.

Well, who is to blame for that? The universities build expensive buildings to enhance their prestige, and the professors constantly demand higher pay. It's the student that ends up paying for it. No one is to blame but the institutions themselves. That's why all the OWS rage is misplaced. They should be occupying their former college administrative buildings.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2011-11-06 11:07:28

#228

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6471

that's not the way it works for UK universities at all, sorry. why would you occupy a former college administrative building if you're against capitalism? our universities are propped up by the state and until very recently had little to no qualms with the jobs market. they were happily immune to such forces to continue their good research and excellence as centres for learning. only in the last 10 years or so because of disastrous politics have universities started to feel the pressure for the 'dollar return' aspect of educating graduates. it's frustrating, but blaming some professor that has had the same pay (not counting inflation) since the 1970's isn't going to do much.

people concerned with the 'value' of their degree in the workplace should go to a community college/polytechnic - that's fine. their choice. i just don't believe academic institutions should have to bow to the same pressures.

Last edited by Uzique (2011-11-06 11:08:20)

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2011-11-06 12:40:49

#229

DesertFox-: The very model of a modern major general; +794|6685|United States of America

Jay wrote:
Uzique wrote:
we still do have those institutions. they're the red bricks and classical universities of the russell and 1994 group. but even they are eroding to the marketisation of higher-education. which imho is one of the mosts depressing things to happen during our generation. now youths feel squeezed to take some bullshit easy course in 'management' or 'hospitality services' or something because the crippling £35k debt has to lead to a directly applicable career option. pssht.
Well, who is to blame for that? The universities build expensive buildings to enhance their prestige, and the professors constantly demand higher pay. It's the student that ends up paying for it. No one is to blame but the institutions themselves. That's why all the OWS rage is misplaced. They should be occupying their former college administrative buildings.

I don't know about where you went, but every year the newspaper publishes an annual salary report for faculty. Most professors don't make much over $70k unless they're a department head or have been here forever. Meanwhile, the university spent millions on a less-than-well-received PR campaign last year. Like the teachers during that hubbub is Wisconsin earlier this year, educators usually aren't fat cats lighting their cigars with $100 bills.

2011-11-06 12:42:26

#230

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6471

a top internationally renowned professor here will probably get about £100k a year tenure. and that's standard across the board. a lot of our good academics go to small private colleges in america in old-age, because the educational standards and teaching demands are much less, and the salary is about ten times as much.

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2011-11-06 12:43:23

#231

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5358|London, England

DesertFox- wrote:
Jay wrote:
Uzique wrote:
we still do have those institutions. they're the red bricks and classical universities of the russell and 1994 group. but even they are eroding to the marketisation of higher-education. which imho is one of the mosts depressing things to happen during our generation. now youths feel squeezed to take some bullshit easy course in 'management' or 'hospitality services' or something because the crippling £35k debt has to lead to a directly applicable career option. pssht.
Well, who is to blame for that? The universities build expensive buildings to enhance their prestige, and the professors constantly demand higher pay. It's the student that ends up paying for it. No one is to blame but the institutions themselves. That's why all the OWS rage is misplaced. They should be occupying their former college administrative buildings.
I don't know about where you went, but every year the newspaper publishes an annual salary report for faculty. Most professors don't make much over $70k unless they're a department head or have been here forever. Meanwhile, the university spent millions on a less-than-well-received PR campaign last year. Like the teachers during that hubbub is Wisconsin earlier this year, educators usually aren't fat cats lighting their cigars with $100 bills.

Then why have tuitions skyrocketed? Where is all the money going?

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2011-11-06 12:46:55

#232

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6471

lol galt if you think incredibly high tuition fees correlates to raised academic salaries. the tripling of fees here in the UK sees no increase at all for the academics teaching and researching. although perhaps in the us it is slightly different because your universities are private-sector, and thus every top-level institution must offer a 'competitive' salary to attract heavyweights. that's your problem, though.

Last edited by Uzique (2011-11-06 12:47:33)

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2011-11-06 12:56:38

#233

DesertFox-: The very model of a modern major general; +794|6685|United States of America

It seems Purdue is doing a lot of renovating and modernizing, which I'm sure accounts for a good amount of the budget. Although the most recent residence halls they built are the most expensive yet, $14k/year for single rooms. It's just maintenance costs for thousands of students that add up. Though they do seem to cater a lot towards the College of Engineering (which I guess they should since it's what we're known for) compared to other schools. I know that professors in the biology department have to fight tooth and nail to get funding for experiments, though.

2011-11-06 12:59:25

#234

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5358|London, England

DesertFox- wrote:
It seems Purdue is doing a lot of renovating and modernizing, which I'm sure accounts for a good amount of the budget. Although the most recent residence halls they built are the most expensive yet, $14k/year for single rooms. It's just maintenance costs for thousands of students that add up. Though they do seem to cater a lot towards the College of Engineering (which I guess they should since it's what we're known for) compared to other schools. I know that professors in the biology department have to fight tooth and nail to get funding for experiments, though.

Well, why would you go to an engineering school to study biology? It's like my high school girlfriend going to Carnegie-Mellon for costume design. Total

Last edited by Jay (2011-11-06 13:00:02)

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2011-11-06 13:01:05

#235

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6471

surely a college/university is only as good as its weakest department? what's the point having colleges that are only renowned for a single 'star' subject? doesn't sound like much of an academic institution to me. universities are supposed to be inter-disciplinary hubs of collective knowledge, not esoteric specialist schools for the production of one type of graduate. it's healthy for departments to work together.

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2011-11-06 13:02:48

#236

DesertFox-: The very model of a modern major general; +794|6685|United States of America

Jay wrote:
DesertFox- wrote:
It seems Purdue is doing a lot of renovating and modernizing, which I'm sure accounts for a good amount of the budget. Although the most recent residence halls they built are the most expensive yet, $14k/year for single rooms. It's just maintenance costs for thousands of students that add up. Though they do seem to cater a lot towards the College of Engineering (which I guess they should since it's what we're known for) compared to other schools. I know that professors in the biology department have to fight tooth and nail to get funding for experiments, though.
Well, why would you go to an engineering school to study biology? It's like my high school girlfriend going to Carnegie-Mellon for costume design. Total

1. It's not just an engineering university, as the College of Science is pretty good, too. 2. My options were Purdue and Indiana. Indiana might have been better since they actually have the medical school/dental school (where I actually want to go), but the two are basically equivalent of the major, public universities in Indiana.

Basically, Purdue is for science, engineering, nursing, pharmacy, and business. IU has a better reputation for its business school, and is about the same in science/pre-professional health (no pharmacy though). They also have a better Liberal Arts side and have things like a journalism school to that end.

EDIT: Also, we're good for aero things, thanks a bunch of astronauts and Amelia Earhart.

Last edited by DesertFox- (2011-11-06 13:11:06)

2011-11-06 13:04:51

#237

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5358|London, England

Uzique wrote:
surely a college/university is only as good as its weakest department? what's the point having colleges that are only renowned for a single 'star' subject? doesn't sound like much of an academic institution to me. universities are supposed to be inter-disciplinary hubs of collective knowledge, not esoteric specialist schools for the production of one type of graduate. it's healthy for departments to work together.

So in your mind, people should be 'jack of all trades, master of none' as their life goal? Sounds efficient.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2011-11-06 13:06:47

#238

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6471

i'm talking about a university reputation/value, not an individual. where am i saying a person should major in every course offered at their university? moron.

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2011-11-06 13:08:38

#239

DesertFox-: The very model of a modern major general; +794|6685|United States of America

It's just far easier for people to associate universities with one thing, instead of going through whole lists of departments. The other programs aren't shit, but the areas where they excel become the only ones people remember.

2011-11-06 13:08:55

#240

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5358|London, England

Uzique wrote:
i'm talking about a university reputation/value, not an individual. where am i saying a person should major in every course offered at their university? moron.

Why shouldn't a university specialize?

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2011-11-06 13:09:35

#241

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5358|London, England

DesertFox- wrote:
It's just far easier for people to associate universities with one thing, instead of going through whole lists of departments. The other programs aren't shit, but the areas where they excel become the only ones people remember.

Well, your mascot is the Boilermaker...

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2011-11-06 13:09:55

#242

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5586

He's saying they shouldn't put all their eggs in one basket and actually be an all around good school. Not hard to understand.

Last edited by Macbeth (2011-11-06 13:10:17)

2011-11-06 13:10:51

#243

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6471

obviously x department will be stronger than y department in some assessments, but i just believe a university should be strong across all of its subjects. specialization makes it sound more like a vocational job-based college, again, than a centre for learning. inter-disciplinary research is very important, as is collaboration, and what good is that if your university is a one-trick pony, reputation wise? the top-class universities should offer excellence across all disciplines.

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2011-11-06 13:11:23

#244

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6471

Macbeth wrote:
He's saying they shouldn't put all their eggs in one basket and actually be an all around good school. Not hard to understand.

jay likes being obtuse on the topic of education with me. he went to a specialist non-academic college, remember?

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2011-11-06 23:57:22

#245

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6716

A school here at sydney (Macquarie Uni) had enough money to build a new huge gym, couple of new buildings and they got the government to build a fucking train station while the two best unis in my city still got bus routes lel. Most of their funding is from international students taking bzns courses paying 15k a semester, costing the government nothing in subsidies.

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2011-11-07 00:14:03

#246

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,810|6106|eXtreme to the maX

Uzique wrote:
dilbert my point is that they're pretty easy, cushty, white-collar middle-class jobs that pay an exorbitant amount of money in a lifetime's career for not a lot of sweat and graft. it's the dream graduate lifestyle: high-paying job in the city mile, a flat in a trendy part of town, nice clothes, lots of expendable income, and those nightmarish loans paid off in 3-5 years. how could anyone - especially in this current graduate employment market - not envy a job like that? and they're english literature grads. i'll be pretty satisfied with my lot if i can do that, too. so basically your snide repetitive comments are pointless. you also fail to factor in the account that you had to be a science undergrad for 3/4 years, the university social equivalent of the guy sat on the side of the school disco with his inhaler.

It was my choice, and I did engineering, not science - if you don't go to the disco it ceases to be an issue - not that dancing and taking drugs are skills employers head-hunt for too often.

Uzique wrote:
very different college cultures over here, winston. dilbert went to school in the uk, not canada. he also went to the most notoriously introverted science geek school of them all. the sciences in the uk are still a hugely 90% male mouth-breathing discipline. every stereotype fits.

I'd hardly say Imperial was introverted - and I did in fact set foot in the place, still, last time I checked Imperials 'mouth-breathers' had the highest proportion of graduates going straight into the city - doing real responsible jobs, not nonsense like HR which has a very limited upside and a lot of downside.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2011-11-07 00:22:16)

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2011-11-07 11:48:16

#247

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6471

dilb's there's not a chance that imp has the highest city employment in UoL. not a chance. LSE whups you for a start, and ucl/kcl/rhul are just as high on city graduate schemes. imperial isn't the same that it was... it turns out more specialist profession types nowadays. from what i can gather, anyway. and who cares if employers don't head-hunt social individuals? there's more to life than making a good paycheck and playing with metal in your shed.

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2011-11-08 00:38:15

#248

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,810|6106|eXtreme to the maX

Just us there's more to life than being poor and going to raves?

I like this:

Granted its a little out of date, but highest professional employment % and highest starting salary - I'll take that.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2011-11-08 00:39:17)

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2011-11-08 13:09:58

#249

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6471

those stats change every single year. they're nonsense, just used by unis to sell their own expensive degrees. rhul has the exact same figures on its website: 2nd out of 90 for graduate employment rates, in best tier of graduate employment (only 2.3% unemployed), yada yada. it's capricious because the statistics change every year and every uni will jump on the dick of the year that shine on them. check any university wiki and you'll see the same specious stats ranging from 1990-2010-- anything in recent, perhaps relevant memory.

and why is it a matter of being a poor drug-abuser or a successful asocial scientist to you? there's a happy medium, you know. the world isn't made of hugely successful science geek grads and then an underclass of drop-out loser humanities students.

not to mention those stats about imperial are wildly misleading... imperial is a specialist science/math university. half of its courses are professional career degrees that lead directly to employment in a specialised (often public service) job. it doesn't offer the same wide spectrum of courses as a normal, academic university would. imperial and lse come above other universities because they're less broadly humanistic and academic, and are more focussed on churning out economists and doctors.

Last edited by Uzique (2011-11-08 13:12:05)

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2011-11-08 13:16:58

#250

presidentsheep: Back to the Fuhrer; +208|5961|Places 'n such

Pretty much every uni quote's some bollocks stat from anywhere in the last 15 years about being the best for "*****", there's enough papers and websites to produce any statistic to support whatever.

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