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Prolly because there isn't enough pork yet
I'm sure at the last minute they will sneak it in with 300 pages at 3am...
Can someone tell me if Obama campaigned on this?
Nice article this says it all
"Senator Charles E. Grassley of Iowa, the senior Republican on the committee, said a government insurance plan would have inherent advantages over private insurers."
Awwwwww.... no more profiteering on sicknesss Awwwwwwww.... good thing this guy has big insurances' back. /sarcasm
Two things some out of that statement
1. a public option will save the public money AND
2. I wonder how much it cost the private insurers to buy these senators.
And this statement
"Senator John Ensign, Republican of Nevada, said he feared that a government plan would prove so popular it could never be uprooted. “Does anybody believe Congress would let this public plan go away once it has a constituency?” Mr. Ensign asked. “No way. Once it’s started, you will never get rid of it. Congress will subsidize it more and more, allow it to grow and grow.”
Wow people are going to hate this thing so much that its going to be so popular that future GOP govts will have no choice but to fund it.... How much more contradictory and flip floppy can you be than these guys.
I can't wait to hear the nashing of teeth when this thing finally passes.
"Senator Charles E. Grassley of Iowa, the senior Republican on the committee, said a government insurance plan would have inherent advantages over private insurers."
Awwwwww.... no more profiteering on sicknesss Awwwwwwww.... good thing this guy has big insurances' back. /sarcasm
Two things some out of that statement
1. a public option will save the public money AND
2. I wonder how much it cost the private insurers to buy these senators.
And this statement
"Senator John Ensign, Republican of Nevada, said he feared that a government plan would prove so popular it could never be uprooted. “Does anybody believe Congress would let this public plan go away once it has a constituency?” Mr. Ensign asked. “No way. Once it’s started, you will never get rid of it. Congress will subsidize it more and more, allow it to grow and grow.”
Wow people are going to hate this thing so much that its going to be so popular that future GOP govts will have no choice but to fund it.... How much more contradictory and flip floppy can you be than these guys.
I can't wait to hear the nashing of teeth when this thing finally passes.
You can tell from the above quotes, it's clear that the public option will be able to compete with the private. Which will bring down private insurance costs, and the private insurance will also have to improve quality.
It's good news if that's the case.
It's good news if that's the case.
Last edited by AussieReaper (2009-09-29 19:24:48)
Can't wait until the public option is mandatory.
what these other f-, er, members don't realize is the public option will be a counterweight to health insurance companies, not supplant them.Bevo wrote:
Can't wait until the public option is mandatory.
i get so tired of talking points, Jesus Wept, use your heads people.
There is no possible way that insurance companies would be able to compete with a company not designed to work at a profit (i.e. the government option). Private insurance companies are not able to rack up trillions of dollars in debt.burnzz wrote:
what these other f-, er, members don't realize is the public option will be a counterweight to health insurance companies, not supplant them.Bevo wrote:
Can't wait until the public option is mandatory.
i get so tired of talking points, Jesus Wept, use your heads people.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
I'm no ATG by any stretch of the imagination, but it's a power grab on a large scale. Oh yeah, while we're at it, we'll tax private healthcare another 20% because poor people can't afford it, and then we'll just make sure it gets scrapped altogether! Oh, and if you attend the public option, we're going to need you to get this chip.. no, it's just to make it easier to get your info, promise!burnzz wrote:
what these other f-, er, members don't realize is the public option will be a counterweight to health insurance companies, not supplant them.
i get so tired of talking points, Jesus Wept, use your heads people.
You'll also note the push for all animals (livestock, pet) to have mandatory chips. What makes you think it's that far off for humans?
You may also be interested to know that flu vaccines contain squalene, which has been blamed for gulf war syndrome. The same one that's a biohazard and illegal in North America. But it's all okay as long as vaccine makers are racking up the billions and the masses are cautioned by local media to go and get your shot. You don't want the flu, do you?
Last edited by Bevo (2009-09-29 22:24:58)
Nope, that didn't sound much like ATG at all.
"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation" - Barack Obama (a freshman senator from Illinios)
They seem to be able to compete in other countries.JohnG@lt wrote:
There is no possible way that insurance companies would be able to compete with a company not designed to work at a profit (i.e. the government option). Private insurance companies are not able to rack up trillions of dollars in debt.burnzz wrote:
what these other f-, er, members don't realize is the public option will be a counterweight to health insurance companies, not supplant them.Bevo wrote:
Can't wait until the public option is mandatory.
i get so tired of talking points, Jesus Wept, use your heads people.
Examples please.DrunkFace wrote:
They seem to be able to compete in other countries.JohnG@lt wrote:
There is no possible way that insurance companies would be able to compete with a company not designed to work at a profit (i.e. the government option). Private insurance companies are not able to rack up trillions of dollars in debt.burnzz wrote:
what these other f-, er, members don't realize is the public option will be a counterweight to health insurance companies, not supplant them.
i get so tired of talking points, Jesus Wept, use your heads people.
"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation" - Barack Obama (a freshman senator from Illinios)
Examples of what?
Here we have a public system that covers everyone and at least 10 successful private health insurers with 43% of the population privately insured.
Most EU states have private insurers covering anything from 10-85% of the population and all have good public systems.
Here we have a public system that covers everyone and at least 10 successful private health insurers with 43% of the population privately insured.
Most EU states have private insurers covering anything from 10-85% of the population and all have good public systems.
The only information we get over here is the bad kind remember. Could you tell me more about these private insurers? Are they in direct competition with the public plan?DrunkFace wrote:
Examples of what?
Here we have a public system that covers everyone and at least 10 successful private health insurers with 43% of the population privately insured.
Most EU states have private insurers covering anything from 10-85% of the population and all have good public systems.
"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation" - Barack Obama (a freshman senator from Illinios)
I'll assume that was sarcasm, I don't visit DST enough to tell.LividBovine wrote:
Nope, that didn't sound much like ATG at all.
Do a little bit of research on the chips. How long before they're mandatory for the military?
I would guess it is much like Medicare. Many people on Medicare have supplemental insurance. Medicare has limits on how much it will cover, just like traditional insurance. Many people buy the supplemental to help with coverage above and beyond Medicare.LividBovine wrote:
The only information we get over here is the bad kind remember. Could you tell me more about these private insurers? Are they in direct competition with the public plan?DrunkFace wrote:
Examples of what?
Here we have a public system that covers everyone and at least 10 successful private health insurers with 43% of the population privately insured.
Most EU states have private insurers covering anything from 10-85% of the population and all have good public systems.
Yes they pretty much compete directly with each other. They are able to compete because the government gives tax incentives and rebates to those that get private care.LividBovine wrote:
The only information we get over here is the bad kind remember. Could you tell me more about these private insurers? Are they in direct competition with the public plan?DrunkFace wrote:
Examples of what?
Here we have a public system that covers everyone and at least 10 successful private health insurers with 43% of the population privately insured.
Most EU states have private insurers covering anything from 10-85% of the population and all have good public systems.
What you get extra, well not much.
Ohh and a nicer room.With private hospital insurance you have a much greater chance of having your choice of doctor. If you're admitted as a public patient, the hospital assigns a doctor to you. Typically private patients have shorter waiting periods for elective surgery.
The other major difference is that insurance markets in Europe are more highly regulated. Insurance companies can't drop coverage or refuse to pay for things like colonoscopies, pap smears, or other preventative treatments.DrunkFace wrote:
Yes they pretty much compete directly with each other. They are able to compete because the government gives tax incentives and rebates to those that get private care.LividBovine wrote:
The only information we get over here is the bad kind remember. Could you tell me more about these private insurers? Are they in direct competition with the public plan?DrunkFace wrote:
Examples of what?
Here we have a public system that covers everyone and at least 10 successful private health insurers with 43% of the population privately insured.
Most EU states have private insurers covering anything from 10-85% of the population and all have good public systems.
What you get extra, well not much.Ohh and a nicer room.With private hospital insurance you have a much greater chance of having your choice of doctor. If you're admitted as a public patient, the hospital assigns a doctor to you. Typically private patients have shorter waiting periods for elective surgery.
I found this interesting, especially in light of some of the fuckers that are fighting against both a public option and tighter regulations:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCall/congre … id=8706655
Socialism for me, but not for thee! There's much more in the article.This fall while members of Congress toil in the U.S. Capitol, working to decide how or even whether to reform the country's health care system, one floor below them an elaborate Navy medical clinic -- described by those who have seen it as something akin to a modern community hospital -- will be standing by, on-call and ready to provide Congress with some of the country's best and most efficient government-run health care.
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Officially, the office acknowledges these types of services, including providing physicals to Capitol police officers and offering flu shots to congressional staffers. But what is rarely discussed outside the halls of Congress is the office's other role -- providing a wealth of primary care medical services to senators, representatives and Supreme Court justices.
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"A member walked in and was generally walked right back into a physician's office. They get good care. They are not rushed. They are examined thoroughly," said Eduardo Balbona, an internist in Jacksonville, Fa., who worked as a staff physician in the OAP from 1993 to 1995.
"You have time to spend to get to know your patients and think about them and really think about how you preserve their health going forward," Balbona said. "We're not there to put on Band-Aids. We were there to make sure that everything possible that could be done [is done] to preserve that member of Congress."
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Services offered by the Office of the Attending Physician include physicals and routine examinations, on-site X-rays and lab work, physical therapy and referrals to medical specialists from military hospitals and private medical practices. According to congressional budget records, the office is staffed by at least four Navy doctors as well as at least a dozen medical and X-ray technicians, nurses and a pharmacist.
Sources said when specialists are needed, they are brought to the Capitol, often at no charge to members of Congress.
"If you had, for example, prostate cancer, you would go to one of the centers of excellence for the country, which would be Johns Hopkins. If you had coronary artery disease, we would engage specialists at the Cleveland Clinic. You would go to the best care in the country. And, for the most part, nobody asked what your insurance was," Balbona said.
In addition to Balbona, several former staff members and private physicians who have consulted at the OAP as recently as last year agreed to talk to ABC News on background. They described a culture centered on meeting the needs and whims of members of Congress, with almost no concern for cost.
Members of Congress do not pay for the individual services they receive at the OAP, nor do they submit claims through their federal employee health insurance policies. Instead, members pay a flat, annual fee of $503 for all the care they receive. The rest of the cost of their care, sources said, is subsidized by taxpayers.
Whenever I hear some congressfucker, Republican or Democrat, talk about how "Americans should feel the true cost of health care" or how "Americans are spoiled" I want to punch them in the fucking throat.
EDIT: Forgot to add that Congressfuckers that don't pay the yearly fee are rarely turned away for care (of course)....throat punch and cock punch (or vag punch).
Last edited by Masques (2009-09-30 12:34:24)
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