Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7032|SE London

Winston_Churchill wrote:

Yeah, I quoted it then left.  Got some important news so it took a while

lol, you dont even know what groups are scene and what arent.  There's a huge difference in quality.

Scene: Dumb and Dumber 1080p CiNEFiLE - 7.95GB
http://i50.tinypic.com/2n03prm.jpg

P2P: Dumb and Dumber 1080p xander - 11.11GB
http://i47.tinypic.com/eanyok.jpg

I can do this all day if you want.  You clearly have no idea what the difference between P2P and Scene are.
Neither of which are 720p. So you haven't answered the question.

You clearly can't do it very well all day - since you've confused 720p with 1080p.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2010-02-26 12:19:49)

Winston_Churchill
Bazinga!
+521|7190|Toronto | Canada

Scene - 4.42GB (since sample is in there)
https://i50.tinypic.com/14jreiv.jpg

P2P - 6.31GB
https://i45.tinypic.com/15rhc79.jpg

Satisfied?  P2P doesnt follow scene rules.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7032|SE London

Winston_Churchill wrote:

Scene - 4.42GB (since sample is in there)
http://i50.tinypic.com/14jreiv.jpg

P2P - 6.31GB
http://i45.tinypic.com/15rhc79.jpg

Satisfied?  P2P doesnt follow scene rules.
Looks pretty damn close to a 1.5x DVD5 sizing to me, which fits scene rules, although a scene release would need to be ~100MB bigger.


Still proving my point that the sizings are virtually identical.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2010-02-26 12:33:27)

GC_PaNzerFIN
Work and study @ Technical Uni
+528|6865|Finland

just a link backup of my hardware pics. If I had put these in the GAL tags, it would rape slower conenctions... so I didn't...

if you wish to take a look paste this and put it in GAL /GAL tags in post preview...

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/226/img0760.jpg
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Last edited by GC_PaNzerFIN (2010-02-26 12:38:28)

3930K | H100i | RIVF | 16GB DDR3 | GTX 480 | AX750 | 800D | 512GB SSD | 3TB HDD | Xonar DX | W8
Winston_Churchill
Bazinga!
+521|7190|Toronto | Canada

So I proved they dont follow the scene size, yet you still argue they do.  What size do you want so that it convinces you it isnt scene?

Also, most P2P groups primarily encode in 1080p to go for transparency, which is why you probably dont realize they exist alongside the Scene releases.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7032|SE London

Winston_Churchill wrote:

So I proved they dont follow the scene size, yet you still argue they do.  What size do you want so that it convinces you it isnt scene?

Also, most P2P groups primarily encode in 1080p to go for transparency, which is why you probably dont realize they exist alongside the Scene releases.
No you didn't. You've just shown they follow the same sizings, not as strictly, but still the same sizings (to a margin of <2%).

Your original point was:

Winston_Churchill wrote:

Scene encodes for size, 720p will be 4.37GB.  P2P encodes for quality, it can range from 2.5GB (animated movies) to ~8GB (long, intense action movies).
Which ARE the scene size rules.

https://files.me.com/r_phelps/rstd32

(oops forgot to share file)

You ignore all the benefits of scene releases (standardisation, minimum bit rates etc) and all the downsides of P2P releases (many of which are terrible - but of course you ignore those). Neither is better than the other.

Your statement about Scene encoding for size and P2P encoding for quality is patently untrue.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2010-02-26 13:03:38)

Winston_Churchill
Bazinga!
+521|7190|Toronto | Canada

When the Scene encodes movies, they encode using presets.  If you've used an x264 encoder before, you'll know that you can encode and choose certain parameters.  The scene uses presets based on size, to encode to that exact size, which is greatly frowned upon by high quality HD encoders.  When P2P groups (depends greatly on the group since they have no rules to follow) encode, they'll do many samples and play with the minute settings (like bframes, bpyramids, etc) to create as close to a transparent encode to the source as they can, regardless of filesize.  If it happens to be close to whatever multiplication you want it to be, then cool.  But they dont care in the slightest.  I know the head of a HD P2P group (PerfectionHD) and a few other prominent encoders who wish the scene would be abolished at the HD level so that quality would prevail over size.

https://i49.tinypic.com/4ui493.jpg

Direct quote from encoder on Framestor (prominent P2P HD group) saying they do not encode for size.

Bertster7 wrote:

You ignore all the benefits of scene releases (standardisation, minimum bit rates etc) and all the downsides of P2P releases (many of which are terrible - but of course you ignore those). Neither is better than the other.
Standardization is good, its just not the best.  With their standards they cant encode at a higher quality than what their filesize allows.
Of course there are terrible P2P groups, thats why you have to know the groups and stick with releases from groups that have proven themselves to be of the best quality.

Last edited by Winston_Churchill (2010-02-26 13:13:12)

-Whiteroom-
Pineapplewhat
+572|7110|BC, Canada
Hmmm.... wadda ya think, Laine over at xtremesystems came up with a cool tower that was just a sheet of plexi, and it gave me an idea. What do you think.

https://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g294/twigmar/hmmm.jpg

https://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g294/twigmar/hmmm2.jpg

The clear part would be lit up similar to the rad shroud in my current build, and the  HDDs and the PSU would be in the bottom block with the cables run between the 2 pieces of plexi.

https://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g294/twigmar/IMG_0011.jpg
GC_PaNzerFIN
Work and study @ Technical Uni
+528|6865|Finland

Very interesting design tbh. I would go shamelessly use that if I had more time and tools...

edit: with a change that I would actually put some space between the rad and the plexi so cooling would work lol...

Last edited by GC_PaNzerFIN (2010-02-26 14:31:56)

3930K | H100i | RIVF | 16GB DDR3 | GTX 480 | AX750 | 800D | 512GB SSD | 3TB HDD | Xonar DX | W8
TSI
Cholera in the time of love
+247|6432|Toronto
I like. Wouldn't you need something at the back to support the graphics card though? It seems like it would put a lot of stress on the PCI-E slot.
I like pie.
-Whiteroom-
Pineapplewhat
+572|7110|BC, Canada

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

Very interesting design tbh. I would go shamelessly use that if I had more time and tools...

edit: with a change that I would actually put some space between the rad and the plexi so cooling would work lol...
Yeah, there would be an inch or so gap, I didnt add any spacers because it was just a quick sketchup. Also i was thinking i could put different templates over the lit area for effect. As far as the tools go, I made a bend break at yesterday, so I could bend the metal nicely, it needs some refinement though.


TSI wrote:

I like. Wouldn't you need something at the back to support the graphics card though? It seems like it would put a lot of stress on the PCI-E slot.
Yeah I would mount something there, just didnt want to take the time in sketchup to draw it, would prob be to long spacers with a strip between them that I would bolt the cards to.
Narupug
Fodder Mostly
+150|6048|Vacationland
Damn, I was never that good with sketchup
Winston_Churchill
Bazinga!
+521|7190|Toronto | Canada

https://i50.tinypic.com/11v7ehg.jpg

y/n?

Storage, dont care about it being Green, its not for speed.  I'm getting the dock anyways so figured I'd get another 1.5TB with it
13urnzz
Banned
+5,830|6948

nice price
Winston_Churchill
Bazinga!
+521|7190|Toronto | Canada

bought
FloppY_
­
+1,010|6737|Denmark aka Automotive Hell
I prefer Samsung F1s & F3s over WD tbh

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Winston_Churchill
Bazinga!
+521|7190|Toronto | Canada

Probably would cost at least another ~$20 which isnt worth it IMO.  If I lose it its not that big of a deal.  I've already lost 2 drives in the past 2 months, got it all back within a few weeks.
Finray
Hup! Dos, Tres, Cuatro
+2,629|6239|Catherine Black
https://static.bf2s.com/files/user/33829/newinstall.JPG

Am I missing anything for a new install?
https://i.imgur.com/qwWEP9F.png
13urnzz
Banned
+5,830|6948

an OS?
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7072|London, England
internets download manager
Finray
Hup! Dos, Tres, Cuatro
+2,629|6239|Catherine Black

burnzz wrote:

an OS?
HAHA OH WOW

Mekstizzle wrote:

internets download manager
Using JDownloader.
https://i.imgur.com/qwWEP9F.png
13urnzz
Banned
+5,830|6948

Finray wrote:

burnzz wrote:

an OS?
HAHA OH WOW

Mekstizzle wrote:

internets download manager
Using JDownloader.
i simply meant the operating system wasn't pictured, i would have done a re-install with what was pictured.

i am assuming your data is on another partition.

Last edited by burnzz (2010-02-27 05:43:02)

Finray
Hup! Dos, Tres, Cuatro
+2,629|6239|Catherine Black
I'm installing onto my new drives, and I'll install the software from current drive when I'm in Windows.
https://i.imgur.com/qwWEP9F.png
Freezer7Pro
I don't come here a lot anymore.
+1,447|6648|Winland

All that should be in that folder is your Ethernet chip drivers.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
Zimmer
Un Moderador
+1,688|7207|Scotland

Mekstizzle wrote:

internets download manager
This.

JDownloader is fail in comparison.

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