Mutantbear
Semi Constructive Criticism
+1,431|6222|London, England

http://auctionhouse.com/

what a badly designed website, I cant even sort by collectible action figures
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Ilocano
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Uzique wrote:

funny when a phone manufacturer knows that they are getting so utterly dominated in their chosen market that they have to then try and siphon off some income from the big daddy. "apple has more cash than the us government" say cheeky news reports over here... next report "htc are phone industry's food-stamps scroungers"...
Oh, really: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-2 … sales.html

"Samsung is estimated to have sold between 18 million and 21 million smartphones globally in the April-June quarter, compared with 16.7 million for Nokia and 20.3 million iPhones, Neil Mawston, a London-based analyst at Strategy Analytics, a research company based in Boston, said in an e-mailed response to questions on July 22. The data exclude tablet-computer sales."


And before that:

"Apple sued Samsung in April, claiming the Galaxy products "slavishly" copied technologies and designs used in the iPad and iPhone. The suit against Samsung added to its patent fights with Android-device makers including Motorola Mobility Holdings Inc. and HTC Corp. (2498), with the Google software gaining market share.
Uzique
dasein.
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aaand we're back to the argument about RIM having several mobile phones available at different market niches / prices / appeals.

i'm not surprised samsung and nokia are shifting those many units... after all, they both offer about 20 phones for every price-point and need.
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Ilocano
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Uzique wrote:

aaand we're back to the argument about RIM having several mobile phones available at different market niches / prices / appeals.

i'm not surprised samsung and nokia are shifting those many units... after all, they both offer about 20 phones for every price-point and need.
They are only counting smartphones.  Are you going to segment the iPhones also by storage capacity?
Uzique
dasein.
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no. it's just an obvious point (that i can't believe needs to be made). there is basically only one iphone at any one time - 2 if you count the availability of previous models for a discounted price. you're comparing the total sales of a smartphone manufacturer that produces an entire range of diverse and entirely different phones (in all regards: price, functionality, intended market) to what is effectively a single device. the iphone dominates the smartphone market in terms of public awareness/image/marketing and in terms of actual sales. the fact that the other major manufacturers (who totally owned the ENTIRE mobile phone market, really, especially in the case of nokia) can only scrape as-many sales from ALL of their devices is a testament to this fact.
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Ilocano
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Because no iPhone owner would be caught buying a lessor tier current-gen iPhone.  Android owners don't have that stigma.
Uzique
dasein.
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that's simply untrue, though. i know lots of people that have the 3 and the 3gs. it's not so much a social stigma as the fact that even the older models ask a hefty price - once you start paying in the £300+ high-end range, you may as well just hulk the extra +10% and get the newest, most up-to-date one. and that still doesn't really explain why the other phone manufacturers are failing to capitalize on that: why is it that the most exclusively priced and most socially divisive phone is still the single-most successful unit/model? why aren't nokia and samsung and blackberry totally seizing upon the sub-£300 market to sell millions of phones to average consumers that don't want to remortgage their 4-bedroom home in order to buy an expensive phone with an app to tell you how many calories are in a can of baked beans? it doesn't make sense, if your criticisms/points are meant to be relevant and valid. the iphone's success is hard to ignore or explain away.
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Ilocano
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No, I'm referring to current gen.  Prior gens don't have a stigma because of various reasons, like contracts.  But if Apple introduced a "lesser" iPhone 4 (not referring to just storage), say, a slower processor, smaller screen, cheaper quality build, it would have a social stigma.
Uzique
dasein.
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uuuh the 3gs/3g model seemed to work fine for a long time. people bought both regardless of the performance stats. the same stigma could, technically, exist with the 2 different capacities - they definitely carry different costpoints and thus luxury/exclusive appeal. i think a major reason why people are "stigmatized" (in your view) out of buying the older or more inferior model is because apple's iphone update cycle is basically 12-18 months, tops. it doesn't make any financial sense to spend £300+ on a phone that will literally be 2 generations old in a year and a half.
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Ilocano
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Apple is not creating a current gen "inferior" model.  16GB versus 32GB is irrelevant.  There isn't an iPhone 4 version with a cheaper screen at a lower cost point to appeal to more budget minded shoppers.  But if there was, doubtful an iPhone owner would buy one.  I'm not bashing Apple about this.  Kudo's for their marketing.
Uzique
dasein.
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so by that logic do you consider all blackberry or samsung phones below their 'flagship', top-price model as purposefully "inferior" products? i think they're simply phones aimed at the average majority that do not want all the fancy glitz and extra novelties of an iphone. i think having a range of technically 'inferior' phones in the ordinary price-market is a massive potential strength. im confused as to how nokia and samsung are still doing so comparatively bad, with that product portfolio in mind, considering that all apple are interested in doing is exclusively selling exclusive phones to exclusive price-paying customers.
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Uzique
dasein.
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consider replacing apple with 'ferrari' and the other mass-market manufacturers with a range of increasingly 'inferior' products as 'ford'. now ford sell a whole lot more cars and make a whole lot more money than ferrari do. why is it that the luxury ferrari of the phone world outsells the common everyman's equivalent, hands down, every financial year? come on... the iphone is good.
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Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
+957|5435|Sydney
iPhone 4 is the phone equivalent of a Ferrari?

Ilocano
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Uzique wrote:

consider replacing apple with 'ferrari' and the other mass-market manufacturers with a range of increasingly 'inferior' products as 'ford'. now ford sell a whole lot more cars and make a whole lot more money than ferrari do. why is it that the luxury ferrari of the phone world outsells the common everyman's equivalent, hands down, every financial year? come on... the iphone is good.
Like I said, marketing genius.
Uzique
dasein.
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well nokia dominated the mobile phone market entirely in terms of phones-sold and marketing-image for the best part of the real mobile phone generation boom (incl. the whole texting bubble, what a ripoff that was...) and now they suck, with all the money, backing and brand establishment in the world. apple - 1 other phone manufacturers - 0.
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Ilocano
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Nokia fail, yes.  HTC, please...
Uzique
dasein.
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good luck.
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Miggle
FUCK UBISOFT
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Uzique wrote:

rofl. just buy a macbook and stop being so queer.
I have no interest in paying ~$400 extra for a plastic shell and uncomfortable keyboard.
https://i.imgur.com/86fodNE.png
Uzique
dasein.
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uncomfortable keyboard? with the exception of my mechanical keyboard my macbook keyboard is the nicest kb i have ever used. especially considering it's a laptop. good luck finding a keyboard and mousepad that are nicer than the macbook's backlit keyboard and touchpad. you won't. and yeah that plastic shell... oooh boy! go fork out $400 extra for your 1980's prototype IBM lenovo aesthetic then, then put OSX and maybe even linux on it and be extra cool because you didn't cave in and join the mindless sheep

p.s. every single macbook / macbook pro available today now has an aluminium unibody - no plastic. and you'll be hard pressed to find a better designed exterior for a laptop. please link me if you do though!¬!!!

Last edited by Uzique (2011-08-02 18:57:29)

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Uzique
dasein.
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i'd say fair enough if you didn't specifically ask for a laptop to run OSX... but you clearly want something portable with the simple and super-fast OSX platform. why not just get one of the brand new entry-level macbook airs (that replaced standard macbooks) for $999? that packs amazing design, OSX-as-native with the touchpad which brings OSX to a completely other level of functionality. i don't understand why you're gimping yourself with this pointless anti-apple bullshit, it's so tired. if you want a laptop with OSX you really can't do any better than the cheapest macbook (air). it's just the best solution to your request, period. even the neatest non-apple laptop won't have a touchpad with all of the gestures, multitouch and pinch/spin features that the apple trackpad has. why gimp yourself?
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Miggle
FUCK UBISOFT
+1,411|6999|FUCK UBISOFT

Uzique wrote:

uncomfortable keyboard? with the exception of my mechanical keyboard my macbook keyboard is the nicest kb i have ever used. especially considering it's a laptop. good luck finding a keyboard and mousepad that are nicer than the macbook's backlit keyboard and touchpad. you won't. and yeah that plastic shell... oooh boy! go fork out $400 extra for your 1980's prototype IBM lenovo aesthetic then, then put OSX and maybe even linux on it and be extra cool because you didn't cave in and join the mindless sheep

p.s. every single macbook / macbook pro available today now has an aluminium unibody - no plastic. and you'll be hard pressed to find a better designed exterior for a laptop. please link me if you do though!¬!!!
I use macbooks a lot, most of my friends have them. I despise the keyboards. My Dell Inspiron 1521, which I have had for probably about 5 years is much nicer to type on (for me at least). Macbook keyboards look very nice, but I find them to be a huge pain to type on. I have no need for a backlit keyboard, and have never seen any evidence that the touchpad is noticeably better than any other laptop. I couldn't care less about the case, thinkpads may be less attractive than macbooks, but that doesn't justify paying any more to me. I went through apple's site today, and I couldn't find a macbook within my price range that I liked. I really only need OSX for a few things, and can't imagine using it as a primary OS. There are plenty of mindless sheep who buy Macs, I'm sure even you wouldn't deny that. There are definitely benefits to buying macs over PCs, but the majority of mac owners didn't research any of that before buying.

Anyways, My Inspiron is shitting itself. I can't even run windows on it without it crashing every 30 minutes or less, and I'm not sure it's going to be able to keep running on fedora for much longer because the CPU goes to 100% every time I launch such programs as Skype and VLC. I need a new laptop, and I would like that to be able to run OSX. I have looked at macbooks, and they are too expensive. So if anybody can help me find a laptop that I can get OSX running on, I would be appreciative.
https://i.imgur.com/86fodNE.png
Miggle
FUCK UBISOFT
+1,411|6999|FUCK UBISOFT

Uzique wrote:

i'd say fair enough if you didn't specifically ask for a laptop to run OSX... but you clearly want something portable with the simple and super-fast OSX platform. why not just get one of the brand new entry-level macbook airs (that replaced standard macbooks) for $999? that packs amazing design, OSX-as-native with the touchpad which brings OSX to a completely other level of functionality. i don't understand why you're gimping yourself with this pointless anti-apple bullshit, it's so tired. if you want a laptop with OSX you really can't do any better than the cheapest macbook (air). it's just the best solution to your request, period. even the neatest non-apple laptop won't have a touchpad with all of the gestures, multitouch and pinch/spin features that the apple trackpad has. why gimp yourself?
My 5 year old $600 inspiron does multitouch.

the $950 macbook air is weaker than most $500 laptops from other companies. I also would prefer it to be ~15".
https://i.imgur.com/86fodNE.png
Cheez
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Roc18
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I'm debating between buying 2 laptops,the main differences between the two are below which one should i get?

i7-2720QM 2.2GHz 6GB of RAM

or

i7-2630QM Processor 2.00GHz, 8GB of RAM

The one with the faster processor or the one with more RAM for gaming purposes?

Last edited by Roc18 (2011-08-05 02:33:00)

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