posting from new win 7 install.
had to reboot into XP, as i forgot to d/l the 64 bit drivers, ffffffffffFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU
had to reboot into XP, as i forgot to d/l the 64 bit drivers, ffffffffffFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU
wth?burnzz wrote:
posting from new win 7 install.
had to reboot into XP, as i forgot to d/l the 64 bit drivers, ffffffffffFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU
Windows 7 comes with basic drivers pre-installed... you should be able to go online from scratch
Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me
All depends on the NIC.FloppY_ wrote:
wth?burnzz wrote:
posting from new win 7 install.
had to reboot into XP, as i forgot to d/l the 64 bit drivers, ffffffffffFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU
Windows 7 comes with basic drivers pre-installed... you should be able to go online from scratch
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
it didn't have 64 bit ethernet drivers, and if it did it didn't enable them by default. i found a bios update for my mobo, and a new chipset driver. by updating, it either enabled the onboard ethernet, or it installed the driver - either way i'm connected now. to your dismayFloppY_ wrote:
wth?burnzz wrote:
posting from new win 7 install.
had to reboot into XP, as i forgot to d/l the 64 bit drivers, ffffffffffFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU
Windows 7 comes with basic drivers pre-installed... you should be able to go online from scratch
Game I want to play is Empire total War. Would $400 be enough to so spend on a Nvidia video card powerful enough to play it at the highest graphic setting?
If so, suggestions for a video card please. Thanks!
If so, suggestions for a video card please. Thanks!
I don't know much about E:TW, but I imagine it would be plenty. I played it not a terribly long time ago on my 9800GTX with fairly high if not full high settings IIRC. My new ~$300 ATi 5850 handles BF:BC2 maxed easily.Marlo Stanfield wrote:
Game I want to play is Empire total War. Would $400 be enough to so spend on a Nvidia video card powerful enough to play it at the highest graphic setting?
If so, suggestions for a video card please. Thanks!
I imagine a 275 or 285 would be overkill and then some. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6814130527
E:TW takes more CPU than it does GPU power. GTX260 should be plenty.
Okay, another question.ebug9 wrote:
E:TW takes more CPU than it does GPU power. GTX260 should be plenty.
Does ETW use 4 cores or only 2? As far as CPUs go would I better off getting the very best Dual Core or go for a midrange i7?
Nevermind I just saw the prices for CPUs are cheaper than I remember, I might as well go for the i7's.
Last edited by Marlo Stanfield (2010-05-01 17:41:05)
Why nVidia? ATi are much better this generation..
4-series?
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Sure, the 480 beats 5870, but only by about 10%, uses about 100W more power, and runs at ~95 degrees on load, with an incredibly loud fan.
The only way it beats a 5970 is when there's two of them, and I'm sure I saw a chart saying it used around 800W of power, could have been tri-SLI though.
The only way it beats a 5970 is when there's two of them, and I'm sure I saw a chart saying it used around 800W of power, could have been tri-SLI though.
my 8800GTX SLI uses pretty much the same power... 70-75'ish idle, up to 110 on load at times. riva set to active 90% fan use, always.
mind you there's hardly any room in my case and now my Q6600 is at 3.2Ghz as well, heating it up. got my tuniq tower set to highest-RPM.
tl;dr - 480 kicks ass, temps are negligible for nvidia cards (or at least my batch of 8800's)
mind you there's hardly any room in my case and now my Q6600 is at 3.2Ghz as well, heating it up. got my tuniq tower set to highest-RPM.
tl;dr - 480 kicks ass, temps are negligible for nvidia cards (or at least my batch of 8800's)
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Nah. The power usage / performance ratio is incredibly skewed.
Yes, that is a single GPU card using 20% more power than a dual GPU card.
And when put on full load, even the lesser performing 470 is still a degree hotter than the 5970. Note the 5870, a full 5 degrees cooler than the 480, and the 5850 which is 14 degrees cooler than it's competitor, the 470.
Another thing to note is price and availability,
GTX 480, £429 (2 available for pre-order)
5870, £319 (45 available for next-day delivery)
10% more performance for £110 more? No thanks.
Yes, that is a single GPU card using 20% more power than a dual GPU card.
And when put on full load, even the lesser performing 470 is still a degree hotter than the 5970. Note the 5870, a full 5 degrees cooler than the 480, and the 5850 which is 14 degrees cooler than it's competitor, the 470.
Another thing to note is price and availability,
GTX 480, £429 (2 available for pre-order)
5870, £319 (45 available for next-day delivery)
10% more performance for £110 more? No thanks.
A 5870 is specced to use under 190W.Uzique wrote:
my 8800GTX SLI uses pretty much the same power... 70-75'ish idle, up to 110 on load at times. riva set to active 90% fan use, always.
mind you there's hardly any room in my case and now my Q6600 is at 3.2Ghz as well, heating it up. got my tuniq tower set to highest-RPM.
tl;dr - 480 kicks ass, temps are negligible for nvidia cards (or at least my batch of 8800's)
A 480 is specced to use 250W and costs over $100 more.
The price:performance ratio of the 5870 is superior, especially as the power difference could mean the difference between a cheap and an expensive PSU.
Last edited by Freezer7Pro (2010-05-02 06:48:05)
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
10% more performance isn't an absolute - it's relative to the application, the resolution, the rest of the system... you talk like it's a concrete amount.
also, what really does the difference in power-consumption and temperature fucking matter? if you have a system with a top-end GPU, you should have adequate cooling and the power-supply to juice it, anyway. and nobody that can afford to drop £400 on a graphics card is going to cry about a £5 difference on their power-bill per month.
you people talk about high-end computer hardware as though the person with a £1,500 budget even cares about the principle of 'saving money'. consumer logic would dictate that if you have the budget for a 480-card, you're not going to be overly worried about saving £50 for a PSU. you'd just have the PSU of choice, anyway. think about it and use some common sense. top-end systems are expensive, there's no two ways about it.
also, what really does the difference in power-consumption and temperature fucking matter? if you have a system with a top-end GPU, you should have adequate cooling and the power-supply to juice it, anyway. and nobody that can afford to drop £400 on a graphics card is going to cry about a £5 difference on their power-bill per month.
you people talk about high-end computer hardware as though the person with a £1,500 budget even cares about the principle of 'saving money'. consumer logic would dictate that if you have the budget for a 480-card, you're not going to be overly worried about saving £50 for a PSU. you'd just have the PSU of choice, anyway. think about it and use some common sense. top-end systems are expensive, there's no two ways about it.
Last edited by Uzique (2010-05-02 06:49:19)
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To most people, the difference in performance isn't worth the price. Or noise. Even if you're spending lots on a computer, you might still want to spend it cleverly. In the end, you could end up at way over £100 in price difference.Uzique wrote:
10% more performance isn't an absolute - it's relative to the application, the resolution, the rest of the system... you talk like it's a concrete amount.
also, what really does the difference in power-consumption and temperature fucking matter? if you have a system with a top-end GPU, you should have adequate cooling and the power-supply to juice it, anyway. and nobody that can afford to drop £400 on a graphics card is going to cry about a £5 difference on their power-bill per month.
you people talk about high-end computer hardware as though the person with a £1,500 budget even cares about the principle of 'saving money'. consumer logic would dictate that if you have the budget for a 480-card, you're not going to be overly worried about saving £50 for a PSU. you'd just have the PSU of choice, anyway. think about it and use some common sense. top-end systems are expensive, there's no two ways about it.
Last edited by Freezer7Pro (2010-05-02 06:51:55)
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
i take that point.
but i only responded that the 480 is on-par as a graphics card with ATI 'of this generation'.
if you wanted an nvidia card that performed as well as an ati card... there's your solution.
my point about cost/consumption being negligible to a high-end consumer is ancillary.
but i only responded that the 480 is on-par as a graphics card with ATI 'of this generation'.
if you wanted an nvidia card that performed as well as an ati card... there's your solution.
my point about cost/consumption being negligible to a high-end consumer is ancillary.
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No, you can't say it's on a par just because it performs similar. There's more to it than that.
ATi cards throttle at 90c, NV cards throttle at 105c.
ATi cards actually run closer to their throttle temperature than NVIDIA.
GTX 470 already has higher minimum fps than HD 5870, idles within couple degrees from a HD 5870, load temps are a bit higher (can take that too) and not much more noise either.
So oh please stfu stupid fanboi ranting about how ATi cards would be the next best thing since sliced bread.
Even had to downscale the average performance difference to 10%, didn't you. Its already closer to 20% with newest drivers. Not to talk about minimum fps which doesn't dip as heavily as ATi cards have done for generations now.
e: 480 sits well between HD 5870 and HD 5970 in price.
ATi cards actually run closer to their throttle temperature than NVIDIA.
GTX 470 already has higher minimum fps than HD 5870, idles within couple degrees from a HD 5870, load temps are a bit higher (can take that too) and not much more noise either.
So oh please stfu stupid fanboi ranting about how ATi cards would be the next best thing since sliced bread.
Even had to downscale the average performance difference to 10%, didn't you. Its already closer to 20% with newest drivers. Not to talk about minimum fps which doesn't dip as heavily as ATi cards have done for generations now.
e: 480 sits well between HD 5870 and HD 5970 in price.
Last edited by GC_PaNzerFIN (2010-05-02 08:20:20)
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The funny thing is that the material Nvidia use to fasten the silicon core to the PCB goes unstable at a far lower temperature than that which ATI use.GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
ATi cards throttle at 90c, NV cards throttle at 105c.
ATi cards actually run closer to their throttle temperature than NVIDIA.
GTX 470 already has higher minimum fps than HD 5870, idles within couple degrees from a HD 5870, load temps are a bit higher (can take that too) and not much more noise either.
So oh please stfu stupid fanboi ranting about how ATi cards would be the next best thing since sliced bread.
Even had to downscale the average performance difference to 10%, didn't you. Its already closer to 20% with newest drivers. Not to talk about minimum fps which doesn't dip as heavily as ATi cards have done for generations now.
e: 480 sits well between HD 5870 and HD 5970 in price.
That is the reason for the high failure rate of Nvidia GPUs.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
*grabs popcorn*
everything i write is a ramble and should not be taken seriously.... seriously. ♥
It was used in the couple mobile chips. A bit there with 8800 series. But I demand source for claims there is such issue in G2xx or G4xxFreezer7Pro wrote:
The funny thing is that the material Nvidia use to fasten the silicon core to the PCB goes unstable at a far lower temperature than that which ATI use.
That is the reason for the high failure rate of Nvidia GPUs.
Last edited by GC_PaNzerFIN (2010-05-02 12:17:26)
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I've got a GTX260, it ran at 93 degrees once. Didn't even stutter.GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
It was used in the couple mobile chips. A bit there with 8800 series. But I demand source for claims there is such issue in G2xx or G4xxFreezer7Pro wrote:
The funny thing is that the material Nvidia use to fasten the silicon core to the PCB goes unstable at a far lower temperature than that which ATI use.
That is the reason for the high failure rate of Nvidia GPUs.
...Wouldn't want it to go that high again though.
I'd type my pc specs out all fancy again but teh mods would remove it. Again.
I read it a while ago at a mate's place, I can't recall the source out of my head. I know that it was present in almost all G92s, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's still there in the new cards.GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
It was used in the couple mobile chips. A bit there with 8800 series. But I demand source for claims there is such issue in G2xx or G4xxFreezer7Pro wrote:
The funny thing is that the material Nvidia use to fasten the silicon core to the PCB goes unstable at a far lower temperature than that which ATI use.
That is the reason for the high failure rate of Nvidia GPUs.
I hope it isn't.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
The 8800 issue popped up pretty soon after G92 was released, G2xx has been out so long now without any similar "oven" tricking that its pretty safe to say they changed the material.Freezer7Pro wrote:
I read it a while ago at a mate's place, I can't recall the source out of my head. I know that it was present in almost all G92s, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's still there in the new cards.GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
It was used in the couple mobile chips. A bit there with 8800 series. But I demand source for claims there is such issue in G2xx or G4xxFreezer7Pro wrote:
The funny thing is that the material Nvidia use to fasten the silicon core to the PCB goes unstable at a far lower temperature than that which ATI use.
That is the reason for the high failure rate of Nvidia GPUs.
I hope it isn't.
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