Macbeth
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Creation, starring Paul Bettany, details Darwin's "struggle between faith and reason" as he wrote On The Origin of Species. It depicts him as a man who loses faith in God following the death of his beloved 10-year-old daughter, Annie.

The film was chosen to open the Toronto Film Festival and has its British premiere on Sunday. It has been sold in almost every territory around the world, from Australia to Scandinavia.

However, US distributors have resolutely passed on a film which will prove hugely divisive in a country where, according to a Gallup poll conducted in February, only 39 per cent of Americans believe in the theory of evolution.

Movieguide.org, an influential site which reviews films from a Christian perspective, described Darwin as the father of eugenics and denounced him as "a racist, a bigot and an 1800s naturalist whose legacy is mass murder". His "half-baked theory" directly influenced Adolf Hitler and led to "atrocities, crimes against humanity, cloning and genetic engineering", the site stated.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne … erica.html
Christians are pretty funny folk. In any case isn't it a bit sad in the year 2009 people still believe in a book written by sand people that said that some random jew is the son of god and totally disregard all other religions of the world as well as things like reason and science?
FatherTed
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first religion thread in bf2s history!!
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Mekstizzle
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I honestly can't believe that. You're telling me there isn't a single distributer that wants to show this film. Despite the fact that the US is probably the porn, snuff, gore, violence and generally bad shit movie capital of the world.

lol

And there's no way the US could be the technologically advanced country it is if the amount of stupidity and anti-science was that prevalent within its society. I think people overestimate the importance of the religious lunatics in the US sometimes.

Last edited by Mekstizzle (2009-09-13 12:18:38)

Sydney
2λчиэλ
+783|6782|Reykjavík, Iceland.

Mekstizzle wrote:

I honestly can't believe that. You're telling me there isn't a single distributer that wants to show this film. Despite the fact that the US is probably the porn, snuff, gore, violence and generally bad shit movie capital of the world.

lol

And there's no way the US could be the technologically advanced country it is if the amount of stupidity and anti-science was that prevalent within its society. I think people overestimate the importance of the religious lunatics in the US sometimes.
Erhm, ever heard of Germany?

But anyway, 39%? WTF? I think the number is along the line of 99% here, if not completely 100%.
Diesel_dyk
Object in mirror will feel larger than it appears
+178|5933|Truthistan
What kind of distributor? for theater release? I wouldn't go to the theater to see it. I'd rather spend my money on some sci fi fantasy with happy ending.

I'm sure it will come to the US and be a straight to DVD thing.
DesertFox-
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+794|6623|United States of America
I wouldn't see it because it doesn't seem my cup o' tea, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be shown. How in the fuck is evolution still deemed "controversial" in the 21st fucking century? The Scopes trial was a lifetime ago and yet people still haven't learned to think. Whoever wants that film not shown is a fucking imbecile, and I'm pissed at them for reinforcing these stereotypes of Americans.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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I don't buy that. The Davinci Code was more controversial than this. The distributors probably declined for other reasons and the producer isn't willing to face it.

Sydney wrote:

But anyway, 39%? WTF? I think the number is along the line of 99% here, if not completely 100%.
I honestly don't know one person who doesn't believe in evolution.. Christians included.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
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Kmarion wrote:

I don't buy that. The Davinci Code was more controversial than this. The distributors probably declined for other reasons and the producer isn't willing to face it.

Sydney wrote:

But anyway, 39%? WTF? I think the number is along the line of 99% here, if not completely 100%.
I honestly don't know one person who doesn't believe in evolution.. Christians included.
I've only know one guy who doesn't believe in evolution, he's from Texas.

Also I've spent 13 years of my life in Catholic School, so I get the feeling I was exposed to a fairly large number of Christians.
ghettoperson
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No way do only 39% of Americans believe in evolution.

EDIT: Here's the poll though. Where the fuck did they take it? Bumfuck, Alabama?

Not quite the same stats, but still pretty shocking.

Last edited by ghettoperson (2009-09-13 13:23:37)

S.Lythberg
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I'd go see it.  And everyone I know believes in evolution
Doctor Strangelove
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ghettoperson wrote:

No way do only 39% of Americans believe in evolution.

EDIT: Here's the poll though. Where the fuck did they take it? Bumfuck, Alabama?

Not quite the same stats, but still pretty shocking.
I don't know, only 14% are actual creationists, the "Man developed with god Guiding" is still evolution to me.
ghettoperson
Member
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Doctor Strangelove wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

No way do only 39% of Americans believe in evolution.

EDIT: Here's the poll though. Where the fuck did they take it? Bumfuck, Alabama?

Not quite the same stats, but still pretty shocking.
I don't know, only 14% are actual creationists, the "Man developed with god Guiding" is still evolution to me.
No, 14% believe man evolved without God having anything to do with it. 44% think God created man and there was no evolution.
xBlackPantherx
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+142|6282|California
"Movieguide.org, an influential site which reviews films from a Christian perspective, described Darwin as the father of eugenics and denounced him as "a racist, a bigot and an 1800s naturalist whose legacy is mass murder". His "half-baked theory" directly influenced Adolf Hitler and led to "atrocities, crimes against humanity, cloning and genetic engineering", the site stated."

I really have lost faith....in all humanity if people like this actually exist. Really? Playing the "OMG COMMIE" card too?
Stingray24
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That's too bad, I would have gone to see it.
Zukabazuka
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There are other ways

Sucks the see that happening thou. Maybe should go and see it.
Reciprocity
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Kmarion wrote:

I honestly don't know one person who doesn't believe in evolution.. Christians included.
You should visit rural, Southern Oregon.  I cound introduce you to countless examples of ignorant white trash.  Probably 90% of the people I interact with are either too stupid to understand the most basic concepts of evolution and, therefor, revert to christian mythology or believe evolution is the temptation of the devil.  I work with people who firmly believe that the world is between six and ten thousand years old and that  dinosaur bones are the work of satan.

Last edited by Reciprocity (2009-09-13 15:09:58)

Turquoise
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Reciprocity wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

I honestly don't know one person who doesn't believe in evolution.. Christians included.
You should visit rural, Southern Oregon.  I cound introduce you to countless examples of ignorant white trash.  Probably 90% of the people I interact with are either too stupid to understand the most basic concepts of evolution and, therefor, revert to christian mythology or believe evolution is the temptation of the devil.  I work with people who firmly believe that the world is between six and ten thousand years old and that  dinosaur bones are the work of satan.
Sadly, the same is true of where I live, and it's one of the many reasons I'm slowly making my way up to Toronto, where people are definitely more cultured and educated.
xBlackPantherx
Grow up, or die
+142|6282|California
Some people that have grown with the creationism bullshit shoved down their throat before the placenta even came off can have a difficult seeing how evolution works and how it explains things. Sometimes it not necessarily a personal thing to deny it, its just that theyve grown up knowing the world differently and it could be hard to just dump all that for a new idea, to them. That's how it was with a friend back in highschool.
FEOS
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Kmarion wrote:

I don't buy that. The Davinci Code was more controversial than this. The distributors probably declined for other reasons and the producer isn't willing to face it.

Sydney wrote:

But anyway, 39%? WTF? I think the number is along the line of 99% here, if not completely 100%.
I honestly don't know one person who doesn't believe in evolution.. Christians included.
^This.

There are very few Christians that I know who feel Creation and Evolution are mutually exclusive.

Unlike every atheist I know.

But it's the Christians who are close-minded. Right.
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Believing religion is bunk =/= close minded.
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FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Believing religion is bunk =/= close minded.
Actually, it is. Pretty much defines close-mindedness, as those who take that position refuse to even consider the possibility of a supreme being(s).
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6344|North Carolina

FEOS wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

I don't buy that. The Davinci Code was more controversial than this. The distributors probably declined for other reasons and the producer isn't willing to face it.

Sydney wrote:

But anyway, 39%? WTF? I think the number is along the line of 99% here, if not completely 100%.
I honestly don't know one person who doesn't believe in evolution.. Christians included.
^This.

There are very few Christians that I know who feel Creation and Evolution are mutually exclusive.

Unlike every atheist I know.

But it's the Christians who are close-minded. Right.
There's a difference between being a passive atheist and an active one.

Passive atheists simply refuse to believe in a god unless provided sufficient evidence for said belief.  Active atheists claim to know there is no god.

Atheism is merely a default position in the former and an absolute belief in the latter.

And as I said earlier, in my area of NC, creationism without evolution is actually the predominant belief.  It sounds crazy, but it is true.  Obviously, our doctors, intellectuals, and scientists don't feel this way, but the average Joe here really is that stupid.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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Turquoise wrote:

Reciprocity wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

I honestly don't know one person who doesn't believe in evolution.. Christians included.
You should visit rural, Southern Oregon.  I cound introduce you to countless examples of ignorant white trash.  Probably 90% of the people I interact with are either too stupid to understand the most basic concepts of evolution and, therefor, revert to christian mythology or believe evolution is the temptation of the devil.  I work with people who firmly believe that the world is between six and ten thousand years old and that  dinosaur bones are the work of satan.
Sadly, the same is true of where I live, and it's one of the many reasons I'm slowly making my way up to Toronto, where people are definitely more cultured and educated.
I honestly loled. America is very diverse in it's culture and education. It appears you live in an ass backwards uneducated shit hole. (By your own account)
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Macbeth
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FEOS wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Believing religion is bunk =/= close minded.
Actually, it is. Pretty much defines close-mindedness, as those who take that position refuse to even consider the possibility of a supreme being(s).
Either that or considered, looked at facts, lold, then took the stance of religion is a crutch.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6350|'Murka

Macbeth wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Believing religion is bunk =/= close minded.
Actually, it is. Pretty much defines close-mindedness, as those who take that position refuse to even consider the possibility of a supreme being(s).
Either that or considered, looked at facts, lold, then took the stance of religion is a crutch.
That's a convenience to justify one's close-mindedness. Nothing more.
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