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2009-09-02 12:22:27
Lucien
Fantasma Parastasie
+1,451|6891
As far as I know only two things have changed in 1.5 for jets, but those two changes have made a ton of difference:

j-10 flies like a brick
The jet's MG now actually hits other jets incredibly well

I don't really give a shit about the j-10 but change #2 seems to have completely overhauled dogfighting. Just now I was taking down jets much more easily and from positions I wouldn't normally be able to. I get the feeling that this change might have done a lot to balance out other jets too (MiG vs. F35, for instance)
https://i.imgur.com/HTmoH.jpg
2009-09-02 12:28:12
H3RB4L ABU53
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+45|6106|123 | 456 | 789 | Δ
Yea I haven't even needed missiles just used them for the sake of it being quicker, I prefered the F35 in 1.41 was more of a challenge now I don't want to fly it cos I'm worried everyone will call me a noob lol it's too easy to kill J-10's now done both of them on Dragon Valley in about 5 seconds with cannons alone and they were flying at tight angles, F35 hitboxes are still crap though if J10 spams missiles you still got a good chance of dying but F35 can keep up in turns amazingly well now and missiles even slide off quite a bit J-10 style because of the tight turning, all the J10 whores are crying that J10 handles like crap- I don't think it's that bad, F35 is the better jet now but it's much more balanced than before so it's good, but dogfighting seems to take a lot less skill now

Last edited by H3RB4L ABU53 (2009-09-02 12:30:11)

2009-09-02 14:30:06
ISortGlass
Banned
+2|5597
I never bothered much with jets. I much prefer helicopters. When I'm in a jet, I never know the locations of the enemy jets, I get the alarm, don't know where the enemy jet is, and then I'm dead. I usually target ground targets and helicopters when I'm in a jet. Helicopters are a bit hard to hit due to the fact that you are flying simply too fast to have enough time to hit them with missiles before they deploy countermeasures. If you try to fly any slower, you won't have enough airspeed to maintain flight, and you'll drop out of the sky. Depending on how you approach an enemy chopper with a jet, you usually have Two, or Three seconds to shoot them with your missiles and/or MG before they deploy countermeasures and you have to strafe them again.

Helicopters, especially transport helicopters, can reload countermeasures significantly faster than jets can. I just don't understand how some jetwhores can shoot the pilot out of a helicopter, as well as other jets, with his MG from half way across the map within a split second.
2009-09-02 14:34:26
ISortGlass
Banned
+2|5597

Lucien wrote:

As far as I know only two things have changed in 1.5 for jets, but those two changes have made a ton of difference:

j-10 flies like a brick
The jet's MG now actually hits other jets incredibly well

I don't really give a shit about the j-10 but change #2 seems to have completely overhauled dogfighting. Just now I was taking down jets much more easily and from positions I wouldn't normally be able to. I get the feeling that this change might have done a lot to balance out other jets too (MiG vs. F35, for instance)
Jet machine guns have been improved? How? Do they deal more damage? Do they have wider splash damage against ground targets? What about the bombs? Have they been improved in any way?

Last edited by ISortGlass (2009-09-02 14:34:56)

2009-09-02 14:52:54
Oisín<3
>rush.Irishpride
+139|5665|Dublin, Ireland
The MG reg is fucking class.

It hits almost 100%, like I've got 0 ping.
2009-09-02 15:10:29
H3RB4L ABU53
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+45|6106|123 | 456 | 789 | Δ

ISortGlass wrote:

Lucien wrote:

As far as I know only two things have changed in 1.5 for jets, but those two changes have made a ton of difference:

j-10 flies like a brick
The jet's MG now actually hits other jets incredibly well

I don't really give a shit about the j-10 but change #2 seems to have completely overhauled dogfighting. Just now I was taking down jets much more easily and from positions I wouldn't normally be able to. I get the feeling that this change might have done a lot to balance out other jets too (MiG vs. F35, for instance)
Jet machine guns have been improved? How? Do they deal more damage? Do they have wider splash damage against ground targets? What about the bombs? Have they been improved in any way?
No, hitreg in general has been improved which makes the MG's on jets a lot better than they already were, the reason you probably can't kill choppers is because you're not meant to use missiles against them, I don't think I have ever killed a chopper with missiles, maybe once, they just miss completely even if they don't flare, with MG's aim a bit ahead of them and aim for the cockpit will take them down in half a second
2009-09-02 15:15:09
Lucien
Fantasma Parastasie
+1,451|6891
Because of the improved reg, the MG now actually hits jets. Used to be that you'd see your MG hitting the other jet but it wouldnt actually do damage. In those situations, you now actually do hit.

I just don't understand how some jetwhores can shoot the pilot out of a helicopter, as well as other jets, with his MG from half way across the map within a split second.
Because it only takes one shot to murder both pilots without destroying the chopper.

I don't think I have ever killed a chopper with missiles, maybe once, they just miss completely even if they don't flare
That's why you aim the missiles yourself instead of relying on their tracking
https://i.imgur.com/HTmoH.jpg
2009-09-02 16:40:23
Oisín<3
>rush.Irishpride
+139|5665|Dublin, Ireland
Wow, I was shooting at jets that were so far away that I couldnt get a lock and killing them with the MG.

If they did what ever they did for the jets with the inf it would be
2009-09-02 18:15:58
H3RB4L ABU53
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Oisín<3 wrote:

Wow, I was shooting at jets that were so far away that I couldnt get a lock and killing them with the MG.

If they did what ever they did for the jets with the inf it would be
I've played with you a couple of times, you don't seem to have a problem with hitting lol
2009-09-02 18:49:55
ISortGlass
Banned
+2|5597

Oisín<3 wrote:

The MG reg is fucking class.

It hits almost 100%, like I've got 0 ping.
What does "reg" mean?
2009-09-02 22:58:50
RoaringJet[FIN]
Member
+16|5694
I nearly loled when I played my first round in a jet, just spray randomly and you get kills in air/air
2009-09-03 00:07:41
mtb0minime
minimember
+2,418|6893

ISortGlass wrote:

Oisín<3 wrote:

The MG reg is fucking class.

It hits almost 100%, like I've got 0 ping.
What does "reg" mean?
Registration. As in, "hit registration". Prior to this patch, you would shoot someone, you would see the hit (body twitch, puff of smoke) but the hit wouldn't register (no X on your crosshairs). It was a real pain, especially in aircraft. But I'm soooooooo happy they fixed it
2009-09-03 00:17:36
Ec0li
Vagina face
+167|6238|London ㋛

This is something I'm gonna have to try when I get home. Bring on the Oman <3
2009-09-03 01:37:54
zeddius
Member
+5|5946
Dont think anything is changed with regard to reg, its the actual hitbox on the jet (and heli) that has gotten bigger. That means that you have a larger area to hit for a hit to be registered. This goes both ways, it will be easier for others tp hit you, then i mean FAV,apc, helis etc etc.

With regard to the j-10, it flies like a brick, and it actually has a slower/lower turn radius then the f-35. Test it in a standard circle without AB, the F-35 will overtake the j-10. The j-10 can still dodge missles, where the F-35 can not. So in a way it is balanced.

This patch is the death of public j-10 heroes
2009-09-03 01:40:08
Ec0li
Vagina face
+167|6238|London ㋛

zeddius wrote:

Dont think anything is changed with regard to reg, its the actual hitbox on the jet (and heli) that has gotten bigger. That means that you have a larger area to hit for a hit to be registered. This goes both ways, it will be easier for others tp hit you, then i mean FAV,apc, helis etc etc.

With regard to the j-10, it flies like a brick, and it actually has a slower/lower turn radius then the f-35. Test it in a standard circle without AB, the F-35 will overtake the j-10. The j-10 can still dodge missles, where the F-35 can not. So in a way it is balanced.

This patch is the death of public j-10 heroes
They haven't touched the hitboxes of vehicles or infantry, just reg, they've always stated they would never change the hitbox, I think simply cos it's just too much work.
2009-09-03 01:44:21
zeddius
Member
+5|5946
The hitbox on jets are defenetly changed in my opinion, you will get hits on placec were you never regged before.
2009-09-03 01:53:56
Ec0li
Vagina face
+167|6238|London ㋛

zeddius wrote:

The hitbox on jets are defenetly changed in my opinion, you will get hits on placec were you never regged before.
My mistake, you obviously got the 1.5 patch final release V2 where the hitboxes are changed. Sorry
2009-09-03 03:14:46
Varegg
Support fanatic :-)
+2,206|7048|Nårvei

I seem to have noticed it's a tad harder to hit targets as copilot on the two seated bomber, before 1,5 the missiles was fire and forget mostly but yesterday I had to follow every missile to the target much like the TV missile in the chopper ...
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
2009-09-03 03:37:40
Lucien
Fantasma Parastasie
+1,451|6891
Everybody bails

What the fuck happened to the mentality of BF2's pilots? I can hardly have a real dogfight anymore, even though I'm nice enough to not instantly kill enemy jets so we can have a real fight, they still bail out the moment they take damage.
https://i.imgur.com/HTmoH.jpg
2009-09-03 05:38:26
Varegg
Support fanatic :-)
+2,206|7048|Nårvei

I would have bailed if I knew you were on my tail, even before I started taken damage
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
2009-09-03 06:23:20
globefish23
sophisticated slacker
+334|6562|Graz, Austria

Lucien wrote:

Everybody bails

What the fuck happened to the mentality of BF2's pilots? I can hardly have a real dogfight anymore, even though I'm nice enough to not instantly kill enemy jets so we can have a real fight, they still bail out the moment they take damage.
I barely ever bail in jets or helis, because most of the time you land in the middle of nowhere or in the water and have to walk/swim for ages and probably get kill before you reach anything.

If you're dead, it only takes you 15 seconds.
2009-09-03 06:27:49
Snubya
Member
+10|6733|Somewhere over the Rainbow,AUS
"Changes made to both the J10 and F35B to make them more balanced. Please note that the J10 is a superior dogfighter to the F35B and as such these two aircraft will never be equally matched."

Erm no. "superior" My ass. Everyone will be whoring Us now. Well done. It feels as if F-35 turs alot better than J-10 now. I expected to make the J-10 Maneuverability slightly less. But this is just fail. Not that i use J-10 most of the time. But takes 20 years to turn now.

Im suprised J-10 can turn at all now. Its ridiculous. Absolutely crap.  Might as well fly the A-10 not j-10. I got into a turning circle with an F-35 and J-10 got owned.

"still the superior dogfighter"? Gtfo idiots.

Last edited by Snubya (2009-09-03 06:29:07)

2009-09-03 06:28:48
.Sup
be nice
+2,646|6692|The Twilight Zone
did you mean "can't turn now"?
https://www.shrani.si/f/3H/7h/45GTw71U/untitled-1.png
2009-09-03 06:29:09
Fat_Swinub
jaff
+125|6674
the j-10 can still dodge missiles but in the turning matches that all j-10 pilots knew theyd win vs f-35s theyll have to actually use evasion tactics
2009-09-03 06:30:48
Snubya
Member
+10|6733|Somewhere over the Rainbow,AUS

.Sup wrote:

did you mean "can't turn now"?
No i said it right. Im suprised it CAN turn at all. F-35 turning circile is better. No point going China anymore at all. Not only that, you cant dodge missiles well in J10 anymore. So now its just Wake in reverse now. China will get base raped all round.

 

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