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Hardline pro-Israel groups in the US have been confronting President Barack Obama's demands for a halt to settlement expansion by accusing him of promoting the ethnic cleansing of Jews and jeopardising Israel's security.

Members of Congress allied with Israel and powerful lobby groups in Washington are also trying to shift the focus of administration policy from the Jewish settlements, arguing they are not an obstacle to peace, to demands for Arab governments to recognise Israel.

The strategy, intertwined with a similar campaign by Israeli politicians and officials, has taken on added urgency because of Obama's demands, first laid down during a testy meeting in May with the Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, that Israel freeze all settlement construction in the West Bank.

Netanyahu arrives in London tomorrow for a series of key meetings, including four hours of discussions on Wednesday with the White House's special envoy, George Mitchell. He is also due to see Gordon Brown on Tuesday.

The visit comes amid signs that an agreement will eventually be reached for a settlement freeze for up to a year.

But both sides regard that as merely a first step in a wider struggle over the future of the settlements, as well as other issues including the pace of negotiations toward the establishment of a Palestinian state and the shape of final borders.

The strategy to play down the significance of the settlements is laid out in a document drawn up for an influential pro-Israel lobby group by a prominent Republican pollster, Frank Luntz, on how to influence American public opinion.

The Israel Project, with an advisory board that includes 20 members of Congress from both parties, issued the confidential document to its supporters at about the time Obama came to power in January.

The report, marked as "not for distribution or publication" but since widely disseminated outside of the organisation, says that those who back the removal of the settlements should be told they are supporting ethnic cleansing and antisemitism. The guide offers what it describes as "the best settlement argument".

"The idea that anywhere that you have Palestinians there can't be Jews, that some areas have to be Jew-free, is a racist idea. We don't say that we have to cleanse out Arabs from Israel. They are citizens of Israel. They enjoy equal rights. We cannot see why it is that peace requires that any Palestinian area would require a kind of ethnic cleansing to remove all Jews," the guide says.

The accusation of ethnic cleansing is particularly ironic for many Palestinians, as the past 41 years of occupation have been marked by a continual forced removal of Arabs to make way for Jews.

The Israel Project document advises its supporters to argue that "settlements are necessary for the security of Israel" while also urging them to mislead Americans over the important role of religion in land seizures.

"You must avoid using Israel's religious claims to land as a reason why Israel should not give up land. Such claims only make Israel look extremist to people who are not religious Christians or Jews," it says. These views are shared by some influential members of Congress.

Last week, the chairman of the US House of Representatives foreign affairs committee, Howard Berman, a Democrat, told a closed meeting of Jewish leaders in Los Angeles that Obama was wrong to put pressure on Israel over the settlements.

Berman said the administration's position had benefitted the Palestinian leader, Mahmoud Abbas, who was "waiting for the US to present him Israel on a platter".

The Israel Project report concedes that justifying the settlements to ordinary Americans is a tough sell.

"Nothing is tougher to articulate effectively to neutral Americans than a message in favour of the settlements. Let me be clear about this conclusion. Plenty of Israeli and American Jewish leaders have tried, but American and European audiences rejected almost everything we tested. There is no magic language to unify public support," it says.

Israel's supporters have recognised that by attempting to shift the focus to another issue.

The Anti-Defamation League published a full-page advert in the New York Times denouncing Obama's pressure on Israel. "The problem isn't settlements, it's Arab rejection," it said.

"The obstacle to peace is not Israel. The settlements are not the impediment … Mr President, it's time to stop pressuring our vital friend and ally. It's now time to direct your attention to the rejectionists who refuse to recognise Israel and negotiate an end to the conflict." The Zionist Organisation of America has taken a similar position.

Another group, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, has thrown its backing behind a letter to Obama from a majority of members of the US Senate praising Netanyahu for taking "concrete measures" to advance peace, such as easing some restrictions on the movement of Palestinians, and asking the president what he is doing to get Arab governments to recognise Israel. Seventy-one of 100 senators have signed the letter.

But the pressure has drawn criticism from other Jewish groups in the US in an unusual public split over Israel policy. One organisation that presses for greater concessions by the Israeli government, J Street, has publicly condemned the ADL advert.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/au … nts-isreal

I know a lot of people will be like \_/ but these kind of articles really make you think how deep the rabbit hole goes (In respect to the power Jewish lobbies hold in America).

P.S Just because Barack Obama wants some settlements removed, its like the holocaust all over again!!

Last edited by mafia996630 (2009-08-23 13:42:31)

Superior Mind
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mafia996630 wrote:

Doctor Strangelove wrote:

Superior Mind wrote:

It's helps to where a yamika in this business.
Yarmulke. You're the Jew, you should be the one who spells it right.
Hang on, I thought it was Kippah ?

Edit: nvm.
Kippah is the Hebrew word.

@docta

I've never seen it spelled with an r nor an l. You crazy.

Last edited by Superior Mind (2009-08-23 14:34:58)

Stingray24
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That's right, folks, Jews are the only ones who have powerful lobbying groups which petition our government regarding matters that concern them.
CameronPoe
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lol at the stupendously mind-boggling hypocricy of these cunts - Ethnic Cleansing Champions every year from 1948 to the present year bar that time Rwanda pulled out all the stops to take gold. This is like 1984 doublespeak.

Oh and as for the Jewish skullcap argument: it was interchangeably referred to as a Kippah or a Yarmulke when I visited Israel.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2009-08-23 15:59:58)

Superior Mind
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Wow I had no idea it was spelled yarmulke.
ghettoperson
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Doesn't really surprise me, the Israeli Lobby are a bunch of hypocritical cunts.
Red Forman
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I hope the guy who wrote this has better luck on this one....


Controversy over "Worlds Apart" article
In a controversial Guardian special report published in 2006, McGreal, who has covered both apartheid South Africa and Israel in his career, compared the two and alleged numerous similarities, citing the United States Department of State's annual human rights report for 1999.[1] Among other claims, McGreal alleged that Israel's Population Registration Act is similar to an apartheid era South African Act of the same name. The latter categorized South Africans according to racial definitions in order to determine who could live in what land. McGreal alleges that the Israeli act "serves a similar purpose by distinguishing between nationality and citizenship. Arabs and Jews alike can be citizens, but each is assigned a separate 'nationality' marked on identity cards(either spelled out or, more recently, in a numeric code), in effect determining where they are permitted to live, access to some government welfare programmes, and how they are likely to be treated by civil servants and policemen."[2]

Extensive responses to McGreal's allegations were offered by several media watchdog organizations, including the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America,[3][4][5] the Britain Israel Communications and Research Centre, [6] Engage,[7] and Honest Reporting,[8] which viewed his claims as false and defamatory. The Guardian's letters editor reported that "more than 100 letters on the subject had been directed at the page, with roughly three endorsing the decision to deal with the subject, to every two against, most of the latter rejecting any apartheid analogy." [9]


[edit] Controversy over "The new anti-Semitism" and "Rising UK anti-semitism blamed on media" articles
Although describing McGreal as "The Guardian's usually excellent reporter" and as an "otherwise excellent Jerusalem correspondent" Arab Media Watch, a media watch organization, has organized campaigns complaining to The Guardian about two Chris McGreal articles about European anti-Semitism. The organization claimed that McGreal's 2003 article "The 'new' anti-semitism: is Europe in grip of worst bout of hatred since the Holocaust?", consisted of "paragraph after paragraph of baseless allegations by Jewish and Israeli leaders against Europe's Muslims, stating that their existence, growth and influence on the continent is a threat to Jews".[10] It also described McGreal's 2005 article, "Rising UK anti-semitism blamed on media" as "one-sided".[11]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_McGreal
Dilbert_X
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Well thats bizarre, only jews are allowed to carry out ethnic cleansing, say different and you're a nazi.
Fuck Israel
FEOS
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There are all sorts of lobbying groups who convince lawmakers to support ethically questionable positions. This one is no different.

I'll worry about it when I start hearing our lawmakers say this kind of nonsense in public and during House/Senate debates.

Right now, this is a lobbying group saying this (the ethnic cleansing comment)--not US lawmakers.
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FEOS wrote:

There are all sorts of lobbying groups who convince lawmakers to support ethically questionable positions. This one is no different.

I'll worry about it when I start hearing our lawmakers say this kind of nonsense in public and during House/Senate debates.

Right now, this is a lobbying group saying this (the ethnic cleansing comment)--not US lawmakers.
This.

Lobbyists are lobbyists and will be lobbyists for as long as they are lobbyists.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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FEOS wrote:

Right now, this is a lobbying group saying this (the ethnic cleansing comment)--not US lawmakers.
You mean those US lawmakers who keep sending them weapons?
Cluster bombs? White phosphorous shells? DU tipped bunker busters for use on civilians apartment buildings?

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2009-08-24 06:11:21)

Fuck Israel
Roger Lesboules
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Well thats bizarre, only jews are allowed to carry out ethnic cleansing, say different and you're a nazi.
Yeah, but remember all that suffering that jew have gone tru! /sarcasm (Not meant to attack any jewish bf2s'er)

Obama...Hitler...can totally see the resemblance here.

Anyway, i guess they just complain again because they dont have what they want, would not be the first time from what i know.
Red Forman
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Red Forman wrote:

I hope the guy who wrote this has better luck on this one....


Controversy over "Worlds Apart" article
In a controversial Guardian special report published in 2006, McGreal, who has covered both apartheid South Africa and Israel in his career, compared the two and alleged numerous similarities, citing the United States Department of State's annual human rights report for 1999.[1] Among other claims, McGreal alleged that Israel's Population Registration Act is similar to an apartheid era South African Act of the same name. The latter categorized South Africans according to racial definitions in order to determine who could live in what land. McGreal alleges that the Israeli act "serves a similar purpose by distinguishing between nationality and citizenship. Arabs and Jews alike can be citizens, but each is assigned a separate 'nationality' marked on identity cards(either spelled out or, more recently, in a numeric code), in effect determining where they are permitted to live, access to some government welfare programmes, and how they are likely to be treated by civil servants and policemen."[2]

Extensive responses to McGreal's allegations were offered by several media watchdog organizations, including the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America,[3][4][5] the Britain Israel Communications and Research Centre, [6] Engage,[7] and Honest Reporting,[8] which viewed his claims as false and defamatory. The Guardian's letters editor reported that "more than 100 letters on the subject had been directed at the page, with roughly three endorsing the decision to deal with the subject, to every two against, most of the latter rejecting any apartheid analogy." [9]


[edit] Controversy over "The new anti-Semitism" and "Rising UK anti-semitism blamed on media" articles
Although describing McGreal as "The Guardian's usually excellent reporter" and as an "otherwise excellent Jerusalem correspondent" Arab Media Watch, a media watch organization, has organized campaigns complaining to The Guardian about two Chris McGreal articles about European anti-Semitism. The organization claimed that McGreal's 2003 article "The 'new' anti-semitism: is Europe in grip of worst bout of hatred since the Holocaust?", consisted of "paragraph after paragraph of baseless allegations by Jewish and Israeli leaders against Europe's Muslims, stating that their existence, growth and influence on the continent is a threat to Jews".[10] It also described McGreal's 2005 article, "Rising UK anti-semitism blamed on media" as "one-sided".[11]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_McGreal
CameronPoe
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Red Forman wrote:

Red Forman wrote:

I hope the guy who wrote this has better luck on this one....


Controversy over "Worlds Apart" article
In a controversial Guardian special report published in 2006, McGreal, who has covered both apartheid South Africa and Israel in his career, compared the two and alleged numerous similarities, citing the United States Department of State's annual human rights report for 1999.[1] Among other claims, McGreal alleged that Israel's Population Registration Act is similar to an apartheid era South African Act of the same name. The latter categorized South Africans according to racial definitions in order to determine who could live in what land. McGreal alleges that the Israeli act "serves a similar purpose by distinguishing between nationality and citizenship. Arabs and Jews alike can be citizens, but each is assigned a separate 'nationality' marked on identity cards(either spelled out or, more recently, in a numeric code), in effect determining where they are permitted to live, access to some government welfare programmes, and how they are likely to be treated by civil servants and policemen."[2]

Extensive responses to McGreal's allegations were offered by several media watchdog organizations, including the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America,[3][4][5] the Britain Israel Communications and Research Centre, [6] Engage,[7] and Honest Reporting,[8] which viewed his claims as false and defamatory. The Guardian's letters editor reported that "more than 100 letters on the subject had been directed at the page, with roughly three endorsing the decision to deal with the subject, to every two against, most of the latter rejecting any apartheid analogy." [9]

[edit] Controversy over "The new anti-Semitism" and "Rising UK anti-semitism blamed on media" articles
Although describing McGreal as "The Guardian's usually excellent reporter" and as an "otherwise excellent Jerusalem correspondent" Arab Media Watch, a media watch organization, has organized campaigns complaining to The Guardian about two Chris McGreal articles about European anti-Semitism. The organization claimed that McGreal's 2003 article "The 'new' anti-semitism: is Europe in grip of worst bout of hatred since the Holocaust?", consisted of "paragraph after paragraph of baseless allegations by Jewish and Israeli leaders against Europe's Muslims, stating that their existence, growth and influence on the continent is a threat to Jews".[10] It also described McGreal's 2005 article, "Rising UK anti-semitism blamed on media" as "one-sided".[11]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_McGreal
Yeah Chris McGreal is soooo way off the mark.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8218564.stm

Reality bites once again.

Israel apartheid? Never.... I never saw any of examples of Israel treating the people whose land they stole as subhumans when I was there, no.... /sarcasm

Last edited by CameronPoe (2009-08-24 12:04:28)

Red Forman
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you defend him because you agree with him.  dont play that game with me.  ya'll beat peoples sources to death all the time.  so stuff it.  save it for one of your followers.
CameronPoe
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Red Forman wrote:

you defend him because you agree with him.  dont play that game with me.  ya'll beat peoples sources to death all the time.  so stuff it.  save it for one of your followers.
I know what I see. I visited what was quite obvious to even the lowest of cretins, an apartheid two-tier racist state.
/post

Last edited by CameronPoe (2009-08-24 12:15:41)

Red Forman
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CameronPoe wrote:

Red Forman wrote:

you defend him because you agree with him.  dont play that game with me.  ya'll beat peoples sources to death all the time.  so stuff it.  save it for one of your followers.
I know what I see. I visited what was quite obvious to even the lowest of cretins, an apartheid two-tier racist state.
/post
Spent a couple days there eh?  gj

/post
CameronPoe
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Red Forman wrote:

Spent a couple days there eh?  gj

/post
Two weeks and it was pretty patently and brazenly obvious to see, as most human rights groups attest (including the main Israeli one B'tselem).

/lulz
Red Forman
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maybe.  but, your bias for israel is so blatantly obvious i will take your opinion with a grain of salt.  i dont think its a good idea to listen to someone who prolly foams at the mouth when they hear the word israel.

/lulz
CameronPoe
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Red Forman wrote:

maybe.  but, your bias for israel is so blatantly obvious i will take your opinion with a grain of salt.  i dont think its a good idea to listen to someone who prolly foams at the mouth when they hear the word israel.

/lulz
There's a very good reason for my anti-Israel bias and I don't give a flying fuck what you think of my opinion, at least a sizeable wad of fact and first hand experience supplements the emotional end of it. Not a big fan of bully boys exploiting peasants and making their lives miserable.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2009-08-24 15:31:09)

CameronPoe
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Red Forman wrote:

wipe the sides of your mouth, brah.
Why?
.Sup
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I got your back on this Cam. Cam is never biased. Period
@Forman swap the word scotland in your member title with your username lol
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FEOS
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Dilbert_X wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Right now, this is a lobbying group saying this (the ethnic cleansing comment)--not US lawmakers.
You mean those US lawmakers who keep sending them weapons?
Cluster bombs? White phosphorous shells? DU tipped bunker busters for use on civilians apartment buildings?
Here's a secret: That stuff gets sold to more than just Israel. By more than just the US. Even some *gasp* European countries sell arms to Israel.

Regardless, your retort is irrelevant to the OP. And to my post. Nice trolling, however. Great technique.
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Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Red Forman
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.Sup wrote:

I got your back on this Cam. Cam is never biased. Period
@Forman swap the word scotland in your member title with your username lol
fail some more

CameronPoe wrote:

There's a very good reason for my anti-Israel bias
Dilbert_X
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FEOS wrote:

That stuff gets sold to more than just Israel. By more than just the US. Even some *gasp* European countries sell arms to Israel.
Are we talking sells or gives?
Fuck Israel

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