it's up there *phew
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I wasn't disputing that, because its true (unless you are an African-, Hispanic-, or Native-American, in which case standards are lowered). Harvard, Yale, and most other top American universities don't even evaluate an applicant's ability to pay into their admissions decisions - so saying someone needs cash backing them to get accepted in incorrect.Gamematt wrote:
You'll need amazing grades and motivation. He kinda said that...nukchebi0 wrote:
You don't necessarily need cash to get into Harvard or Yale.Ty wrote:
Yep, completely.
Harvard and most of those top Universities rank top because they try to only accept those who are seriously motivated already*. You don't go to Harvard and become a successful, driven person, you go to Harvard because you're a successful, driven person. How you come out is still based on your own dedication to your studies but statistically speaking someone would go in the same person they come out as.
* And those with shitloads of cash backing them.
What he means is that you'll get in if your daddy gives them a million.nukchebi0 wrote:
I wasn't disputing that, because its true (unless you are an African-, Hispanic-, or Native-American, in which case standards are lowered). Harvard, Yale, and most other top American universities don't even evaluate an applicant's ability to pay into their admissions decisions - so saying someone needs cash backing them to get accepted in incorrect.Gamematt wrote:
You'll need amazing grades and motivation. He kinda said that...nukchebi0 wrote:
You don't necessarily need cash to get into Harvard or Yale.
also, 24. Wonder what the college breakdown is.
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He implied one needed both money and amazing grades to get in. With that said, a donation has to be 8-figures before it really is used as an impetus for admission.TSI wrote:
What he means is that you'll get in if your daddy gives them a million.nukchebi0 wrote:
I wasn't disputing that, because its true (unless you are an African-, Hispanic-, or Native-American, in which case standards are lowered). Harvard, Yale, and most other top American universities don't even evaluate an applicant's ability to pay into their admissions decisions - so saying someone needs cash backing them to get accepted in incorrect.Gamematt wrote:
You'll need amazing grades and motivation. He kinda said that...
also, 24. Wonder what the college breakdown is.
I think you're misinterpreting what Ty said. (Or maybe I am, I dunno) What I gleaned from his statement was that the ones that got in had to be driven individuals with good grades to get the acceptance letter or you were the one that got in due to your parent's wealth and contributions to the school. Not that you have to fulfill both requirements to get in.nukchebi0 wrote:
He implied one needed both money and amazing grades to get in. With that said, a donation has to be 8-figures before it really is used as an impetus for admission.TSI wrote:
What he means is that you'll get in if your daddy gives them a million.nukchebi0 wrote:
I wasn't disputing that, because its true (unless you are an African-, Hispanic-, or Native-American, in which case standards are lowered). Harvard, Yale, and most other top American universities don't even evaluate an applicant's ability to pay into their admissions decisions - so saying someone needs cash backing them to get accepted in incorrect.
also, 24. Wonder what the college breakdown is.
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My uni doesn't even make the list. But realistically i don't think it deserves to.
I mean it calls itself "Curtin University of Technology" yet it's computing department is the least funded in the entire uni, almost all the lecturers are from the east-asia region and most are incomprehensible.
Thankfully i finished my computer science degree so now i'm doing mechatronics engineering instead. The engineering department steals of the computing departments funds so it shouldn't be as bad.
I mean it calls itself "Curtin University of Technology" yet it's computing department is the least funded in the entire uni, almost all the lecturers are from the east-asia region and most are incomprehensible.
Thankfully i finished my computer science degree so now i'm doing mechatronics engineering instead. The engineering department steals of the computing departments funds so it shouldn't be as bad.
It is a rather ambiguous statement, why would explain the disparate interpretations. If he meant one or the other, then I'd agree; that just wasn't what I had understood from his words.Smithereener wrote:
I think you're misinterpreting what Ty said. (Or maybe I am, I dunno) What I gleaned from his statement was that the ones that got in had to be driven individuals with good grades to get the acceptance letter or you were the one that got in due to your parent's wealth and contributions to the school. Not that you have to fulfill both requirements to get in.nukchebi0 wrote:
He implied one needed both money and amazing grades to get in. With that said, a donation has to be 8-figures before it really is used as an impetus for admission.TSI wrote:
What he means is that you'll get in if your daddy gives them a million.
also, 24. Wonder what the college breakdown is.
Shoulda written "or". I'm referring to those who buy their way in instad of getting in on acedemic merit.nukchebi0 wrote:
You don't necessarily need cash to get into Harvard or Yale.Ty wrote:
Yep, completely.
Harvard and most of those top Universities rank top because they try to only accept those who are seriously motivated already*. You don't go to Harvard and become a successful, driven person, you go to Harvard because you're a successful, driven person. How you come out is still based on your own dedication to your studies but statistically speaking someone would go in the same person they come out as.
* And those with shitloads of cash backing them.
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To get admitted, you need to either prove yourself academically or get grandfathered in by your families contributions. One or the other, maybe both.Smithereener wrote:
I think you're misinterpreting what Ty said. (Or maybe I am, I dunno) What I gleaned from his statement was that the ones that got in had to be driven individuals with good grades to get the acceptance letter or you were the one that got in due to your parent's wealth and contributions to the school. Not that you have to fulfill both requirements to get in.nukchebi0 wrote:
He implied one needed both money and amazing grades to get in. With that said, a donation has to be 8-figures before it really is used as an impetus for admission.TSI wrote:
What he means is that you'll get in if your daddy gives them a million.
also, 24. Wonder what the college breakdown is.
To actually attend, you need to pay tuition. Scholarships, loans, financial aid, out of pocket; they're fawkin' expensive places to go.
True that, although the truly gifted get scholarships. Real ones, not just sporting ones.
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a buddy is at Harvard
?Defiance wrote:
To get admitted, you need to either prove yourself academically or get grandfathered in by your families contributions. One or the other, maybe both.Smithereener wrote:
I think you're misinterpreting what Ty said. (Or maybe I am, I dunno) What I gleaned from his statement was that the ones that got in had to be driven individuals with good grades to get the acceptance letter or you were the one that got in due to your parent's wealth and contributions to the school. Not that you have to fulfill both requirements to get in.nukchebi0 wrote:
He implied one needed both money and amazing grades to get in. With that said, a donation has to be 8-figures before it really is used as an impetus for admission.
To actually attend, you need to pay tuition. Scholarships, loans, financial aid, out of pocket; they're fawkin' expensive places to go.
'Scuse my ignorance, but was this directed to me? If so, I don't know what to make out of it If it was my wording, sorry for the poor choice. I suppose I should have used admitted instead of "getting in." I see now that it's a bit ambiguous. But yeah, I do realize school is expensive, I attend a university too. >_> Hurrah for financial aid packages and scholarships. (Still have quite a few loans though) Seems like very few students can afford to come out with a degree and zero in loans.
Just to the conversation in general. There were two conclusions people seemed to be jumping around: The colleges are stupidly expensive, and you can pay to get in instead of earning it, but it has to be in the millions.Smithereener wrote:
?Defiance wrote:
To get admitted, you need to either prove yourself academically or get grandfathered in by your families contributions. One or the other, maybe both.Smithereener wrote:
I think you're misinterpreting what Ty said. (Or maybe I am, I dunno) What I gleaned from his statement was that the ones that got in had to be driven individuals with good grades to get the acceptance letter or you were the one that got in due to your parent's wealth and contributions to the school. Not that you have to fulfill both requirements to get in.
To actually attend, you need to pay tuition. Scholarships, loans, financial aid, out of pocket; they're fawkin' expensive places to go.
'Scuse my ignorance, but was this directed to me? If so, I don't know what to make out of it If it was my wording, sorry for the poor choice. I suppose I should have used admitted instead of "getting in." I see now that it's a bit ambiguous. But yeah, I do realize school is expensive, I attend a university too. >_> Hurrah for financial aid packages and scholarships. (Still have quite a few loans though) Seems like very few students can afford to come out with a degree and zero in loans.
As said by an admissions counselor earlier this year: "If the name of the school library is Gates, your last name is Gates, and it's not a coincidence, go to the front of the line."
Rather fortunately, the number of those cases is small each year.
At Ivy level schools, scholarships are determined entirely by financial need, rather than any merit (although that is not to say a gifted rich student won't receive external scholarships.)Ty wrote:
True that, although the truly gifted get scholarships. Real ones, not just sporting ones.
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third in the world. (: