Harmor
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Source: http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/08/13 … a-Bad-Deal

slashdot wrote:

"Many US colleges and universities have notices posted on their websites informing US companies that they're tax chumps if they hire students who are US citizens. 'In fact, a company may save money by hiring international students because the majority of them are exempt from Social Security (FICA) and Medicare tax requirements,' advises the taxpayer-supported University of Pittsburgh (pdf) as it makes the case against hiring its own US students. You'll find identical pitches made by the University of Delaware, the University of Cincinnati, Kansas State University, the University of Southern California, the University of Wisconsin, Iowa State University, and other public colleges and universities. The same message is also echoed by private schools, such as John Hopkins University, Brown University, Rollins College and Loyola University Chicago."
Wow...just wow.
SEREMAKER
BABYMAKIN EXPERT √
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colleges ............... a good old fashion liberal education
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AussieReaper
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That's crazy.

Here businesses and big companies tell our Universities what sort of graduate they want to hire and it means ours usually take immediate action and change courses to pander to them. So a degree that is offered one year will be composed of different courses to the next, because the perceived demand is "more technical students needed", "better background in economics", etc.

The US system is like the college shooting itself in the foot.
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destruktion_6143
Was ist Loos?
+154|6918|Canada

SEREMAKER wrote:

colleges ............... a good old fashion liberal education
what about the universities mentioned?

Or is Higher education as a whole a good old liberal education?
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7008
Win for me.

Edit: You know how much of a bitch it is to get work on a student visa in the US? It sucks balls. First year can't work, then second year you can get your college to find a job for you.

Last edited by Cybargs (2009-08-13 20:03:38)

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Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6697|North Carolina

AussieReaper wrote:

That's crazy.

Here businesses and big companies tell our Universities what sort of graduate they want to hire and it means ours usually take immediate action and change courses to pander to them. So a degree that is offered one year will be composed of different courses to the next, because the perceived demand is "more technical students needed", "better background in economics", etc.

The US system is like the college shooting itself in the foot.
We don't do that here because that would make too much sense.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6943|USA

Harmor wrote:

Source: http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/08/13 … a-Bad-Deal

slashdot wrote:

"Many US colleges and universities have notices posted on their websites informing US companies that they're tax chumps if they hire students who are US citizens. 'In fact, a company may save money by hiring international students because the majority of them are exempt from Social Security (FICA) and Medicare tax requirements,' advises the taxpayer-supported University of Pittsburgh (pdf) as it makes the case against hiring its own US students. You'll find identical pitches made by the University of Delaware, the University of Cincinnati, Kansas State University, the University of Southern California, the University of Wisconsin, Iowa State University, and other public colleges and universities. The same message is also echoed by private schools, such as John Hopkins University, Brown University, Rollins College and Loyola University Chicago."
Wow...just wow.
Makes perfect sense. Why would a business want to pay all of that bullshit?  People and business are going to run away from a heavy tax burden plain and simple. They are doing it in Maryland as well, when their millionaire's tax went into effect. They lost a good portion of their millionaires.

this is why govt. needs to leave the money in the hands of the people and the businesses.
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6941

lowing wrote:

Harmor wrote:

Source: http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/08/13 … a-Bad-Deal

slashdot wrote:

"Many US colleges and universities have notices posted on their websites informing US companies that they're tax chumps if they hire students who are US citizens. 'In fact, a company may save money by hiring international students because the majority of them are exempt from Social Security (FICA) and Medicare tax requirements,' advises the taxpayer-supported University of Pittsburgh (pdf) as it makes the case against hiring its own US students. You'll find identical pitches made by the University of Delaware, the University of Cincinnati, Kansas State University, the University of Southern California, the University of Wisconsin, Iowa State University, and other public colleges and universities. The same message is also echoed by private schools, such as John Hopkins University, Brown University, Rollins College and Loyola University Chicago."
Wow...just wow.
Makes perfect sense. Why would a business want to pay all of that bullshit?  People and business are going to run away from a heavy tax burden plain and simple. They are doing it in Maryland as well, when their millionaire's tax went into effect. They lost a good portion of their millionaires.

this is why govt. needs to leave the money in the hands of the people and the businesses.
Yeah, seems pretty obvious that they'd do this to. It means colleges get to find jobs more easily for more students, so can post better results for jobs found straight out of college, and companies save money. It's a win win for both of them.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6702|'Murka

Anyone who earns a paycheck here should have to pay into FICA and Medicare whether they are citizens or not. Who's to say that they won't become citizens later on?

Just the price of the American Dream, tbh.
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lowing
Banned
+1,662|6943|USA
thread dead!

This is what happens when you have no argument saying businesses and people should do whatever they can to make sure they pay as much tax as possible. Proof that over taxation can net you less by FORCING businesses to pack up and taking jobs elsewhere. It is time our govt. starts to realize this.
Cybargs
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lowing wrote:

thread dead!

This is what happens when you have no argument saying businesses and people should do whatever they can to make sure they pay as much tax as possible. Proof that over taxation can net you less by FORCING businesses to pack up and taking jobs elsewhere. It is time our govt. starts to realize this.
Yes, because those CEO's really need that fifth private jet. Maybe their kids need a private island in French Polynesia.

Business' always evade taxes very easily through legal loopholes and tax havens. You should know better lowing.
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CameronPoe
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FEOS wrote:

Anyone who earns a paycheck here should have to pay into FICA and Medicare whether they are citizens or not.
This. When I worked in the states years ago I had a temporary social security number and had to pay taxes - what has changed in the interim? If you live in a country you need to pay to run that country.

And it would appear to me that there needs to be some taxation harmonisation across states to prevent opportunistic internal migration of business to shirk paying their share of the cost of running the country that provides them with fertile grounds for economic success.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2009-08-16 05:34:40)

Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6913|London, England

destruktion_6143 wrote:

SEREMAKER wrote:

colleges ............... a good old fashion liberal education
what about the universities mentioned?

Or is Higher education as a whole a good old liberal education?
I think to some, education itself is simply good old liberal antics.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6943|USA

Cybargs wrote:

lowing wrote:

thread dead!

This is what happens when you have no argument saying businesses and people should do whatever they can to make sure they pay as much tax as possible. Proof that over taxation can net you less by FORCING businesses to pack up and taking jobs elsewhere. It is time our govt. starts to realize this.
Yes, because those CEO's really need that fifth private jet. Maybe their kids need a private island in French Polynesia.

Business' always evade taxes very easily through legal loopholes and tax havens. You should know better lowing.
It is their money not yours, if you do not like it, then start your own business, bust your ass doing so, then surrender all of YOUR profits and hard work to the govt. so you feel better.
PureFodder
Member
+225|6577

lowing wrote:

thread dead!

This is what happens when you have no argument saying businesses and people should do whatever they can to make sure they pay as much tax as possible. Proof that over taxation can net you less by FORCING businesses to pack up and taking jobs elsewhere. It is time our govt. starts to realize this.
Actually this points out why there shouldn't be loopholes that allow employers to avoid paying taxes and shows the problems with that. Nobody was FORCED to do anything, they are CHOSING to try and avoid paying taxes via a tax loophole. Make hiring foreign students result in the same tax burden and the whole situation goes away.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6702|'Murka

CameronPoe wrote:

And it would appear to me that there needs to be some taxation harmonisation across states to prevent opportunistic internal migration of business to shirk paying their share of the cost of running the country that provides them with fertile grounds for economic success.
That would require a change to the Constitution, Cam. The Fed controls interstate commerce, not intrastate commerce (what you are referring to). That is explicit and intended to keep the power of the federal government to a minimum...not that it's worked out quite that way, of course.
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nlsme1
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lowing wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

lowing wrote:

thread dead!

This is what happens when you have no argument saying businesses and people should do whatever they can to make sure they pay as much tax as possible. Proof that over taxation can net you less by FORCING businesses to pack up and taking jobs elsewhere. It is time our govt. starts to realize this.
Yes, because those CEO's really need that fifth private jet. Maybe their kids need a private island in French Polynesia.

Business' always evade taxes very easily through legal loopholes and tax havens. You should know better lowing.
It is their money not yours, if you do not like it, then start your own business, bust your ass doing so, then surrender all of YOUR profits and hard work to the govt. so you feel better.
NO company in the history of the U.S. has ever been taxed ALL of their profit. More then one small business owner I know is taking on more employees to keep their profit margin low enough to not face any increase in taxes. Larger corporations have lawyers working out how they can pay the least amount of taxes.

Last edited by nlsme1 (2009-08-17 05:48:26)

lowing
Banned
+1,662|6943|USA

nlsme1 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Cybargs wrote:


Yes, because those CEO's really need that fifth private jet. Maybe their kids need a private island in French Polynesia.

Business' always evade taxes very easily through legal loopholes and tax havens. You should know better lowing.
It is their money not yours, if you do not like it, then start your own business, bust your ass doing so, then surrender all of YOUR profits and hard work to the govt. so you feel better.
NO company in the history of the U.S. has ever been taxed ALL of their profit. More then one small business owner I know is taking on more employees to keep their profit margin low enough to not face any increase in taxes. Larger corporations have lawyers working out how they can pay the least amount of taxes.
What I meant was, if he was so worried, that others were actually making a great living, then he should do all they do, then donate his money to govt. so he would feel better.


I didn't know I was gunna have to explain that smart ass comment as a smart ass comment
nlsme1
Member
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lowing wrote:

nlsme1 wrote:

lowing wrote:


It is their money not yours, if you do not like it, then start your own business, bust your ass doing so, then surrender all of YOUR profits and hard work to the govt. so you feel better.
NO company in the history of the U.S. has ever been taxed ALL of their profit. More then one small business owner I know is taking on more employees to keep their profit margin low enough to not face any increase in taxes. Larger corporations have lawyers working out how they can pay the least amount of taxes.
What I meant was, if he was so worried, that others were actually making a great living, then he should do all they do, then donate his money to govt. so he would feel better.


I didn't know I was gunna have to explain that smart ass comment as a smart ass comment
How about replying to the rest of the post?
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6943|USA

nlsme1 wrote:

lowing wrote:

nlsme1 wrote:


NO company in the history of the U.S. has ever been taxed ALL of their profit. More then one small business owner I know is taking on more employees to keep their profit margin low enough to not face any increase in taxes. Larger corporations have lawyers working out how they can pay the least amount of taxes.
What I meant was, if he was so worried, that others were actually making a great living, then he should do all they do, then donate his money to govt. so he would feel better.


I didn't know I was gunna have to explain that smart ass comment as a smart ass comment
How about replying to the rest of the post?
What is it you would like me to say? They are wrong? I won't. It is perfectly understandable for a company to think of its profits and bottom line over their eagerness to pay the govt. their profit believe it or not is necessary for survival and competitiveness. Paying taxes kinds hinders that.
nlsme1
Member
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Ahh, I feel assets should be taxed more then labor. We must differ on who we think should pay the bills.

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