Kmar
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Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Now wait a minute.  Didn't you say in another thread that the opinions of other countries about our healthcare system didn't really matter?  This is a trial happening in another country.  Even if American lives were involved, doesn't the same logic apply?
No not at all. Can you really not see the difference in murder and domestic healthcare policy? I think it's rather obvious that when it affects other citizens in such a direct way (ending their lives) there is a difference. Holy hell turq...
In practicality, there is no difference.  Like the parallel I made, you still have no more power to change the situation involving this suspect than they do to change our healthcare.

You might see it as a difference in principle and concepts, but there is no difference in terms of representation.

Kmarion wrote:

And some context for my healthcare remark. I said their opinion did not matter in terms of real weight.. as in they aren't voting in our representatives. Nice try bub.
See above.

Kmarion wrote:

Also, I do not support gitmo. I was using the base as an example of forum hypocrisy.
There's plenty of that...  in every direction.
Right, and apply that to all the gitmo complaints as well. Thanks for confirming that there is no difference in the foreign opinion argument. That's excatly what I was going for. In none of these cases has foreign opinion been heavily influential.
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Turquoise
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Kmarion wrote:

Right, and apply that to all the gitmo complaints as well. Thanks for confirming that there is no difference in the argument. That's excatly what I was going for. In none of these cases has foreign opinion been heavily influential.
We agree then.  And yeah, with Gitmo, it's exactly the same.

For the most part, what happens in other countries is something we have little power to change other than through sanctions or warfare.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and also through foreign court systems.  So, we did have the power to affect the trial itself, but not the policies after conviction.

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Kmar
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If the plane had blown up 30 minutes later it would be a different story. I don't agree with the release, and I will voice that. However, I respect Scotland's sovereignty.
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Dilbert_X
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kmarion wrote:

He was charged with the deaths of Americans. Of course we have a right to question how they handled this.
Then your time for griping was about a decade ago, if you didn't want him tried under scottish law.
The US agreed to it, hard luck.
I guess when we dish out our perception of law in gitmo against foreigners everyone else should just shut the fuck up then. .. By your logic.
If you choose not to abide by international law, no we shouldn't shut up.
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Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6859|London, England
Tbh, the US did award medals to the guys that shot down that Iranian airliner, it's not like anyone in the world is clean and can talk from any sort of standpoint. Not when it comes to shit like this. Not really when it comes to American-Muslim relations especially.
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Kmarion wrote:

If the plane had blown up 30 minutes later it would be a different story. I don't agree with the release, and I will voice that. However, I respect Scotland's sovereignty.
Scotland is sovereign now?
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6859|London, England

Doctor Strangelove wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

If the plane had blown up 30 minutes later it would be a different story. I don't agree with the release, and I will voice that. However, I respect Scotland's sovereignty.
Scotland is sovereign now?
Well quite alot actually, since the devolution in 1997. Scotland is much more autonomous, as is Wales (to a lesser extent) and Northern Ireland (to a greater extent)

England isn't though. Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales all have their own parliaments, as well as the national UK parliament in Westminster. Whereas England only has the Westminster parliament. So England kinda gets screwed over.

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Kmar
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Dilbert_X wrote:

kmarion wrote:

He was charged with the deaths of Americans. Of course we have a right to question how they handled this.
Then your time for griping was about a decade ago, if you didn't want him tried under scottish law.
The US agreed to it, hard luck.
Opinions do not have expiration dates. No one could have predicted this a decade ago. The verdict of life imprisonment should have been self explanatory.
And now something you apparently missed.. "However, I respect Scotland's sovereignty." .. as in ultimately it is up to them.

Dilbert_X wrote:

I guess when we dish out our perception of law in gitmo against foreigners everyone else should just shut the fuck up then. .. By your logic.
If you choose not to abide by international law, no we shouldn't shut up.
We are. But I don't have a problem with your complaining. It's not like you are going to do anything about it.
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Dilbert_X
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Kmarion wrote:

The verdict of life imprisonment should have been self explanatory.
Then maybe someone in the FBI should have looked up a bit of scottish law.

Mek wrote:

Tbh, the US did award medals to the guys that shot down that Iranian airliner
Precisely, Flight 103 was payback.
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Kmar
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Where's the precedent for this?
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Kmar
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Mekstizzle wrote:

Tbh, the US did award medals to the guys that shot down that Iranian airliner, it's not like anyone in the world is clean and can talk from any sort of standpoint. Not when it comes to shit like this. Not really when it comes to American-Muslim relations especially.
They weren't awarded for shooting down the airliner. They received common medals and the world decided to associate the medals to a specific event.
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Mek wrote:

Tbh, the US did award medals to the guys that shot down that Iranian airliner
Precisely, Flight 103 was payback.
The motive for the Pan Am bombing was said to be revenge for Libyan fighter jets splashed in the Gulf of Sidra as well as several Libyan vessels that were sunk, not for IAF 655.
FEOS
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Well at least he spent about 11 days in jail for each person he was complicit in killing.

Seems fair.
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FEOS wrote:

Well at least he spent about 11 days in jail for each person he was complicit in killing.

Seems fair.
Do I sense a hint of sarcasm, o wait nvm.
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Kmarion wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Robert S Mueller is a twat.
Megrahi was prosecuted under scottish law and thats it.
He was charged with the deaths of Americans. Of course we have a right to question how they handled this.

I guess when we dish out our perception of law in gitmo against foreigners everyone else should just shut the fuck up then. .. By your logic.
fucking win.  fucking total win.
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ghettoperson
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http://www.boycottscotland.com/

Some Americans can be so petty when they don't get their way in the politics of other sovereign nations.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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FBI Director Robert Mueller wrote:

Your action gives comfort to terrorists around the world who now believe that regardless of the quality of the investigation, the conviction by jury after the defendant is given all due process
Except he wasn't convicted by a jury, he was convicted by judges sitting without a jury.

Do the FBI get nothing right these days?
As stated previously, this guy is a twat.

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I don't think he was speaking to this specific trial in that part of his letter.  Could be wrong.  Just a guess.  Think he was being general.
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ghettoperson wrote:

http://www.boycottscotland.com/

Some Americans can be so petty when they don't get their way in the politics of other sovereign nations.
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

israel discussion on line 2 for you.
Dilbert_X
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FEOS wrote:

Well at least he spent about 11 days in jail for each person he was complicit in killing.
Which is a good deal more than Captain William C. Rogers III received.
Should have handed him over to the Iranians and let him have a fair trial TBH.
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FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
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Dilbert_X wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Well at least he spent about 11 days in jail for each person he was complicit in killing.
Which is a good deal more than Captain William C. Rogers III received.
Should have handed him over to the Iranians and let him have a fair trial TBH.
Pretty sure that guy didn't intentionally kill all those Iranians--nor did the rest of the crew.

Or are you saying that Libyan dude "accidentally" put a bomb on that plane?

Seriously...
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FEOS wrote:

Pretty sure that guy didn't intentionally kill all those Iranians--nor did the rest of the crew.
Manslaughter is also a crime, but who knows what really happened.
Or are you saying that Libyan dude "accidentally" put a bomb on that plane?
Its not really clear that he actually did anything, maybe he did, maybe he didn't, nothing was really proven close to beyond doubt.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2009-08-24 05:49:30)

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Dilbert_X wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Pretty sure that guy didn't intentionally kill all those Iranians--nor did the rest of the crew.
Manslaughter is also a crime, but who knows what really happened.
IAF 655 wasn't responding to any of the calls from the ship. The ship had already engaged Iranian gunboats at the time. There was an Iranian F-14 fighter jet on the runway of the same airport IAF 655 took off from and the crew thought they were being attacked. Self-defence with tragic consequences i.e. an accident.
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Kmarion wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

Tbh, the US did award medals to the guys that shot down that Iranian airliner, it's not like anyone in the world is clean and can talk from any sort of standpoint. Not when it comes to shit like this. Not really when it comes to American-Muslim relations especially.
They weren't awarded for shooting down the airliner. They received common medals and the world decided to associate the medals to a specific event.
dont try bro.  too many muppets around here.

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