BF2S Forums Officials See Rise in Militia Groups Across U.S.

Macbeth wrote:

RAIMIUS wrote:

Narupug wrote:

Um I think it's because they are afraid of any changes/afraid of Mexicans

Many are probably worried about losing sovereignty over certain issues...like gun rights.

Pretty sure guns laws are more lax in Canada and Mexico.

Please tell me you forgot the "/sarcasm"

lowing wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

lowing wrote:

He wants GOVT. CONTROLLED health care, what more is there to explain?

Medicare... Medicaid... the military

well shit it already exists.  The socialists took over and you didnt even know it!!! muwahhahahahahaha

lets go kill granny!

lowing wrote:

Not when the govt. has lost its moral compass regarding our individuality and our freedoms. The "rebels" or patriots as will call them will not be offing folk people. THey will stand resolute against the current fascist govt.

Well that is your opinion, just let Obama try and take away the legally owned guns in America, then we will both know

Well that means one of two things :

The United States has been fascist for decades (which I believe)

or

Obama singlehandedly turned the free est nation on Earth into a totalitarian dictatorship in under 7 months!!  Holy fuck all those other assholes around the world must be jealous

Social services I am already paying for and is so fucked up no one knows which end is up, yet I am supposed to hand over my ENTIRE health to the govt. No thanks.


Nope not fascists yet, Obama is trying and with no resistance in congress he is poised to do a lot of damage ( or good if you choose not to work for a living and expect govt. o hand hold you through life). Hence the fight if you had not guessed.

Haven't we gone over the whole fascist thing?

lowing wrote:

Narupug wrote:

lowing wrote:

Social services I am already paying for and is so fucked up no one knows which end is up, yet I am supposed to hand over my ENTIRE health to the govt. No thanks.


Nope not fascists yet, Obama is trying and with no resistance in congress he is poised to do a lot of damage ( or good if you choose not to work for a living and expect govt. o hand hold you through life). Hence the fight if you had not guessed.

Haven't we gone over the whole fascist thing?

Yup and the fact that he fits the entire definition except ( arguably) nationalism is pretty a pretty weak argument on your part. Sorry you hate the word but it fits.

Your just using it as a buzz word to draw attention and whip up terror, typical.  This administration is nothing like that of mussolini or hitler, no one is being carted off to work at labor camps or to be put to death and he did not come to power by promising military glory.

Narupug wrote:

lowing wrote:

Narupug wrote:

Haven't we gone over the whole fascist thing?

Yup and the fact that he fits the entire definition except ( arguably) nationalism is pretty a pretty weak argument on your part. Sorry you hate the word but it fits.

Your just using it as a buzz word to draw attention and whip up terror, typical.  This administration is nothing like that of mussolini or hitler, no one is being carted off to work at labor camps or to be put to death and he did not come to power by promising military glory.

Who said anything about death camps, hitler, or mussolini. I said our current govt. is trying to bring govt. control into every aspect of our lives, which it is. This govt. seized control is also known as fascism, by definition.

Do not try to down play and mis-direct what is happening by comparing it to hitler and mussolini.

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Narupug wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

I'm curious why the rednecks are focused on when the article discusses the whole US.  Perhaps it's because it's easy to lampoon them as unintelligent racists blasting cans in the back woods.  In truth, the militia member/survivalist guys I've talked to, from the midwest, were no fans of Clinton, Bush, or Obama.  They do not feel represented by anyone in government but wouldn't take up arms as long as the politicians just keep squabbling to keep office and don't threaten their freedom.

Freedom as in their right to own weapons that are capable of killing a lot of people in a small amount of time?

Yes, weapons can be used to kill people and break things.  *gasp* 

Stingray24 wrote:

Narupug wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

I'm curious why the rednecks are focused on when the article discusses the whole US.  Perhaps it's because it's easy to lampoon them as unintelligent racists blasting cans in the back woods.  In truth, the militia member/survivalist guys I've talked to, from the midwest, were no fans of Clinton, Bush, or Obama.  They do not feel represented by anyone in government but wouldn't take up arms as long as the politicians just keep squabbling to keep office and don't threaten their freedom.

Freedom as in their right to own weapons that are capable of killing a lot of people in a small amount of time?

Yes, weapons can be used to kill people and break things.  *gasp* 

yes but some have little other use other then that...

lowing wrote:

Narupug wrote:

lowing wrote:

Who said anything about death camps, hitler, or mussolini. I said our current govt. is trying to bring govt. control into every aspect of our lives, which it is. This govt. seized control is also known as fascism, by definition.

Do not try to down play and mis-direct what is happening by comparing it to hitler and mussolini.

Yet you imply it by invoking fascism which brings up images in everyone's mind of Mussolini and Hitler, typical conservative scare tactics.

No I bring up fascism because that is what it is, I can help your wild imagination. It is not a scare tactic it is a fact. If anyone is trying to invoke scare tactics it is you, by calling in hitler and mussolini

Who here does not think of them when you mention fascism?

lowing wrote:

Narupug wrote:

lowing wrote:

No I bring up fascism because that is what it is, I can help your wild imagination. It is not a scare tactic it is a fact. If anyone is trying to invoke scare tactics it is you, by calling in hitler and mussolini

Who here does not think of them when you mention fascism?

I have no control or concern as to what you think when certain words are mentioned. The fact still remains, by definition Obama can be construed as a fascist based on his complete govt. control over the private sector, and business.

I have not control or concern as to what you think is fascist or not.  The fact still remains that what Obama is doing is perfectly within the constitution, you may not like it because you have been told to believe he is taking your rights and the like by Conservative news outlets.  That does not change the fact that he has every right to provide health care for the uninsured and the fact that you oppose such action makes you sir uncompassionate.  You also deny the fact that you will have to pay for the uninsured one way or another, weather it is through a government plan or when the uninsured get into accidents and someone has to pay the doctors.  The debate is not just about health care either you get your shorts all in a knot over the modest propostion of getting all the guns off the market that are acutely dangerous and have little use other then to kill people.  You're gonna go hunting with an AR-15?  Your excuse about self defense is useless, is it not overkill to defend your house with a semi-auto?  Why not just place machine gun bunkers in all the windows?  I disagree with you in all other areas too, but here are two main ones, have fun.

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lowing wrote:

Narupug wrote:

lowing wrote:

I have no control or concern as to what you think when certain words are mentioned. The fact still remains, by definition Obama can be construed as a fascist based on his complete govt. control over the private sector, and business.

I have not control or concern as to what you think is fascist or not.  The fact still remains that what Obama is doing is perfectly within the constitution, you may not like it because you have been told to believe he is taking your rights and the like by Conservative news outlets.  That does not change the fact that he has every right to provide health care for the uninsured and the fact that you oppose such action makes you sir uncompassionate.  You deny the fact that you will have to pay for the uninsured one way or another, weather it is through a government plan or when the uninsured get into accidents and someone has to pay the doctors.

I do not need to think what a fascist is, there is the definition of it, and Obama fits it.

Please show me in the constitution where we have a constitutional right to healthcare. So because I do not want the govt. running my health I am uncompassionate? Sorry ya feel that way.

Also this goes beyond healthcare, Obama has stuck govt control in the free market and industry as well. He has something like 33 govt. czars in as little as 7 months. A fascist.

He fits the definition in your head, but as you well know what is a truth you is not neccessarily a truth to me.  Also I think you've mentioned a little thing called life liberty and pursuit of happiness, you'll have to tell me how denying people healthcare because they don't have insurance does not violate those 3 unalienable rights?

Poseidon wrote:

Why are people arguing with someone who tells himself at night and legitimately believes Obama is a fascist?

Really.

I'm bored okay...

RAIMIUS wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

RAIMIUS wrote:

Many are probably worried about losing sovereignty over certain issues...like gun rights.

Pretty sure guns laws are more lax in Canada and Mexico.

Please tell me you forgot the "/sarcasm"

I think he was referring to them compared to the shithole he calls home, NJ...

I hope...

Otherwise:
/facepalm

Poseidon wrote:

Why are people arguing with someone who tells himself at night and legitimately believes Obama is a fascist?

Really.

then I will ask you young troll, what part of


fas⋅cism  /ˈfæʃɪzəm/  Show Spelled Pronunciation [fash-iz-uhm]  Show IPA
Use fascism in a Sentence
–noun 1. (sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.


Does Obama not fit?

He was elected, so was Hitler (for all of you who want to compare)

He wants complete power to the govt. Sorry this is  not debatable since he is actively trying to put govt control in private enterprise

he wishes to forcibly suppress opposition and criticism, see the "fairness doctrine"

he is well on his way to the regimenting of industry and commerce, see the auto industry.

He is using nationalism and racism to do so. Already talked about nationalism and his racism has long been apparent with his relationship with Wright and now views of the police department when a black guy is arrested.