BF2S Forums rape fetus vs. rape victim

Kimmmmmmmmmmmm wrote:

DesertFox- wrote:

WARNING: I'm going to sound like a heartless bastard here.

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Since when is a fetus a person? They're haven't even been born yet and you're never 100% certain they will survive the birth to begin with (although I acknowledge survival chances are usually quite high for a healthy fetus). People aren't okay with late-term abortions because they think of it as killing a baby, despite that child not even being born yet, but they're fine with ones in the early trimesters because it's just a bunch of cells that faintly resembles a human being.

yay someone mentioned the science part hah
if i get raped i dont want raper guy's baby, sorry

Why not go for adoption then?

Last edited by SEREVENT (2009-08-10 14:01:38)

Macbeth wrote:

Of all outcomes I can see abortion being the best solution.

If the child grows up in a family that doesn't want him he'll come out screwed up.
If the child grows up without a father the chance of him coming out screwed up increases.
If the child grows up in a household that can't afford him he'll grow up in poverty and we all know how that goes.
If the child grows up knowing his father was a rapist he could come out screwed up.

Out of all this I would rather hedge my bets on just aborting it and be done.

Or if the glass isn't half empty.

SEREVENT wrote:

Why not go for adoption then?

Maternal instinct. When the baby is there, no matter who's it is, it will be a lot harder for the mother to give it away. She might want to,.. but can't. She will have to keep the baby, yet always be confronted with the event of rape. Not every woman can deal with that.

If you haven't done already, watch "Turtles Can Fly".

A woman gets raped, she can do whatever she wants, its her body, its her rights as an individual to self determine the path of her life. That's why they are called "individual rights" and not "big-nose-butt-in-ski-I'm-gonna-make-you-do-what-I-want-rights." "society" has sweet shit all to say about it. If a woman wants to join a right to life church and raise the kid then that would be her choice. IF she doesn't want to follow those type of beliefs then its not up to the church patrol to inflict further suffering on her and democracy should not whore itself out to evil work on behalf of these moral socialists. Rape first by the rapist and raped again by the church

Next people will want her to marry the rapist because god adhores whores who commit adultery. The lunacy never ends.

So here are the short answers
1. get pregnant = her choice
2. got raped = her choice
3. got a fetus with disabilities = her choice
4. whatever reason = her choice


The harder question to answer should be asked of those who disagree with individual choice. What authority do you claim that would permit you to interfere in some elses life? Because swinging around the good book like a mace isn't enough.

Pug wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Of all outcomes I can see abortion being the best solution.

If the child grows up in a family that doesn't want him he'll come out screwed up.
If the child grows up without a father the chance of him coming out screwed up increases.
If the child grows up in a household that can't afford him he'll grow up in poverty and we all know how that goes.
If the child grows up knowing his father was a rapist he could come out screwed up.

Out of all this I would rather hedge my bets on just aborting it and be done.

Or if the glass isn't half empty.

Eh


OMFG I just refuted myself

Krappyappy wrote:

the fetus is innocent and would be punished for events out of its control in the event of an abortion.

a fetus isn't innocent or guilty of anything, it's a fetus, a wad of cells, and in the case of rape, it's nothing more than an infection.

Abortion should be freely available to all pregnant women no matter the circumstances they got pregnant.

I tend to dissagree, make it:

Diesel_dyk wrote:

So here are the short answers
1. get pregnant = responsibility taken when concieving it = her choice = no abortion
2. got raped = her choice
3. got a fetus with disabilities = her choice

If we give people full authority over their own body, we might as well legalize heroine and such. The problem is heroine is damaging to the user and also indirectly causes inconvenience at least to other people. Why do you have to wear a seatbelt by law? Because it is supposed to protect you. Same goes to a lesser extend, for abortion. It is not a minor thing, it is very serious (for the mother physically I mean), and while IMO there is no such things as sanctity of an unborn 2 week old heap of cells, it still has potential to develop in a human being which should at least deserve a chance. Also another argument is the responsibility itself. Free unquestioned abortion discourages people from taking it. Adoption is not a birth control measure; there are plenty of birth control measures available. They should usually be taken at an earlier stage and the mother should have made the proper choice then. It fact in that way it is still her body her choice. Now think of socialist Europe where to a large extend abortion is insurrence covered; I pay taxes for you to have a expensive medical procedure, because you were to lazy to eat a pill?

Krappyappy wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

ATG wrote:

Society.

What you say about the woman is true, and the baby as well.

But unless there is a solid apparatus in place in to care for the child then it is probably better for society that another sociopath angry child is not set loose to perpetuate the problem.

By the way, that is some tasty bait you are throwing out tonight. +1

Pretty much.  I lean in the abortion direction as well.

let's assume that the goal of society is to maximize justice.

it is not the fetus's fault that it is the product of rape. it is also not the fetus's problem that society doesn't have the infrastructure necessary to care for it.

it would be unjust to punish the fetus for either of these reasons by aborting it.

That presupposes that society doesn't have the infrastructure to care for it/adopt it.

Not the case.

Still, there should be a choice in this instance. Along with the rape counseling, the woman should also receive counseling on the options available to her and the ramifications of them...then let her decide.

Lai wrote:

That is a grosse exageration. Yes, all pre-emptive birth control measures can fail, but chances are quite slim. 90% of the time "the condom ripped"  or "the pill failed" are just lame excuses. People can still have regular sex without reasonable chance to get pregnant. For those very few for whom the pre-emptive birth control measure do fail incidentally, well bad luck I guess, or good luck depending on how you see it.

luck? there shouldn't be anything left up to luck when it comes to such important stuff as giving birth to children. and there's a working and reasonably safe "when-all-else-failed" measure that allows for perfect birth control with no any luck involved - why, we are discussing it right now - it's called 'abortion'. it's availability does make people go careless, no doubt, but, as i said, the problem is with people themselves, not the abortion.

Abort favouring the victim's interests.

She shouldn't be forced to give birth to a child she obviously didn't consent which would change her entire life. Financially, emotionally it could ruin her without a father present.

Without aborting you also risk the woman denying the child the necessary mothering because it may remind her of the awful experience she was made to endure which is quite common.

I laugh at how men fight for pro-life. Who are we to dictate what a woman does with her body? If women fight and protest for pro-life, thats cool, they're allowed, but men should GTFO of those organizations and stop believing you "know" what is best for a woman....

I am pro-choice for the sole reason that I am male and will never know how a woman feels. So how ignorant can I be to try and make rules for what a woman does?

destruktion_6143 wrote:

I laugh at how men fight for pro-life. Who are we to dictate what a woman does with her body? If women fight and protest for pro-life, thats cool, they're allowed, but men should GTFO of those organizations and stop believing you "know" what is best for a woman....

I am pro-choice for the sole reason that I am male and will never know how a woman feels. So how ignorant can I be to try and make rules for what a woman does?

Get married.  Get her pregnant.  And then when she whines about being pregnant, tell tell her you don't give a shit because you don't understand all that "woman magic".

Let me know how that goes.