You know... Brazil has a very effective method of... disposing... of transients. I'm not saying it's the most moral thing to do, but it is practical.DonFck wrote:
Can't we all get along and not go into calling each others names before we have actual evidence? Besides, pot & kettle, we're having a new problem over here with Romanian immigrants thieving and begging all over the place. That's what I know, what I've seen and what's in the news. Other than that, I won't go talking shit before I have facts to support them.Ioan92 wrote:
For all I know your country and all its EX-puppies are in deep motherfucking shite. Along with your failed ideology.Shahter wrote:
@DonFck:
/sigh dude, tell me sonething i don't know. i was just about to troll the crap out of this here smartass, so move along.
In the news today. Unfortunately for them, they come over with nothing to count on. Social security goes for citizens alone. These are immigrants within the EU who just came over and did nothing, so there's no refugee support either. What's the reason for these people to leave their country for ours?
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yea Russians pawn! big timeShahter wrote:
orly? have you ever, like, gone to school, kiddo?Ioan92 wrote:
The only thing Russians are able to do is to fail epically; Don't worry.
Brazil is known for gangs of police going into ghettos and shooting homeless children.Turquoise wrote:
You know... Brazil has a very effective method of... disposing... of transients. I'm not saying it's the most moral thing to do, but it is practical.DonFck wrote:
Can't we all get along and not go into calling each others names before we have actual evidence? Besides, pot & kettle, we're having a new problem over here with Romanian immigrants thieving and begging all over the place. That's what I know, what I've seen and what's in the news. Other than that, I won't go talking shit before I have facts to support them.Ioan92 wrote:
For all I know your country and all its EX-puppies are in deep motherfucking shite. Along with your failed ideology.
In the news today. Unfortunately for them, they come over with nothing to count on. Social security goes for citizens alone. These are immigrants within the EU who just came over and did nothing, so there's no refugee support either. What's the reason for these people to leave their country for ours?
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Nice one dude.
In Brazil the gangs are children.ATG wrote:
Brazil is known for gangs of police going into ghettos and shooting homeless children.Turquoise wrote:
You know... Brazil has a very effective method of... disposing... of transients. I'm not saying it's the most moral thing to do, but it is practical.DonFck wrote:
Can't we all get along and not go into calling each others names before we have actual evidence? Besides, pot & kettle, we're having a new problem over here with Romanian immigrants thieving and begging all over the place. That's what I know, what I've seen and what's in the news. Other than that, I won't go talking shit before I have facts to support them.
In the news today. Unfortunately for them, they come over with nothing to count on. Social security goes for citizens alone. These are immigrants within the EU who just came over and did nothing, so there's no refugee support either. What's the reason for these people to leave their country for ours?
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Nice one dude.
sure, kiddo, you'll have to explain a few things first though:Ioan92 wrote:
Well I think it would be time for Mr. Bolshevik to start including some evidence as to prove his country hasn't fucked up a couple of countries with their ideology of fail.
how exactly does a country "fuck up" another one with "ideology"? you will also have to remind me where exactly i claimed that "fucking up", whatever it might be, didn't happen. maybe than i'll start explaining to you - as, evidently, you are too lazy to crawl from under the rock and look around - what a "country" is and how those things interact with each other.
see you later.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
I find it funny that almost all the countries that got annexed by the Soviet Union in WW2 are somewhat not the richest countries of Europe, but those who haven't are doing well, how ironic eh.. You also show me an EX communist / communist country that is of the level of a first world country, wait there isn't.Shahter wrote:
sure, kiddo, you'll have to explain a few things first though:Ioan92 wrote:
Well I think it would be time for Mr. Bolshevik to start including some evidence as to prove his country hasn't fucked up a couple of countries with their ideology of fail.
how exactly does a country "fuck up" another one with "ideology"? you will also have to remind me where exactly i claimed that "fucking up", whatever it might be, didn't happen. maybe than i'll start explaining to you - as, evidently, you are too lazy to crawl from under the rock and look around - what a "country" is and how those things interact with each other.
see you later.
By enforcing communism in those countries you ruined their economical systems, cut it off from the world and brought the country's development to a halt. It made people die of starvation because a few pounds of meat per months was not enough. While the rest of the supplies go not to the country but to the outside, etc, etc. Why the hell do you think those countries' populations have uprisen against the Bolsheviks? sigh
Germany was devastated by the Nazi reign, but they managed to recover, communist countries didn't. How curious.
Have you perhaps taken into consideration that most of the Eastern Bloc countries, including the USSR, were not communist regimes but dicatorships who definitely didn't implement the ideology? Also, with the communist witch hunt going on in the Western countries, the Eastern bloc was forced into poverty, E.g. via trade embargos.Ioan92 wrote:
I find it funny that almost all the countries that got annexed by the Soviet Union in WW2 are somewhat not the richest countries of Europe, but those who haven't are doing well, how ironic eh.. You also show me an EX communist / communist country that is of the level of a first world country, wait there isn't.Shahter wrote:
sure, kiddo, you'll have to explain a few things first though:Ioan92 wrote:
Well I think it would be time for Mr. Bolshevik to start including some evidence as to prove his country hasn't fucked up a couple of countries with their ideology of fail.
how exactly does a country "fuck up" another one with "ideology"? you will also have to remind me where exactly i claimed that "fucking up", whatever it might be, didn't happen. maybe than i'll start explaining to you - as, evidently, you are too lazy to crawl from under the rock and look around - what a "country" is and how those things interact with each other.
see you later.
By enforcing communism in those countries you ruined their economical systems, cut it off from the world and brought the country's development to a halt. It made people die of starvation because a few pounds of meat per months was not enough. While the rest of the supplies go not to the country but to the outside, etc, etc. Why the hell do you think those countries' populations have uprisen against the Bolsheviks? sigh
Germany was devastated by the Nazi reign, but they managed to recover, communist countries didn't. How curious.
I'm sure Cuba would look a lot better today if the U.S didn't block trade and threaten other countries with sanctions if they traded. Even if that's not the whole story to the bad economic situation with Cuba (as Raul Castro has admitted himself).
What I'm trying to say is that not everything is black and white. There's the big-ass gray area all of us move in.
I need around tree fiddy.
Hmm I haven't thought about this point of view, but do you have any proof to back that up? History material doesn't mention any embargoes going on..DonFck wrote:
Have you perhaps taken into consideration that most of the Eastern Bloc countries, including the USSR, were not communist regimes but dicatorships who definitely didn't implement the ideology? Also, with the communist witch hunt going on in the Western countries, the Eastern bloc was forced into poverty, E.g. via trade embargos.Ioan92 wrote:
I find it funny that almost all the countries that got annexed by the Soviet Union in WW2 are somewhat not the richest countries of Europe, but those who haven't are doing well, how ironic eh.. You also show me an EX communist / communist country that is of the level of a first world country, wait there isn't.Shahter wrote:
sure, kiddo, you'll have to explain a few things first though:
how exactly does a country "fuck up" another one with "ideology"? you will also have to remind me where exactly i claimed that "fucking up", whatever it might be, didn't happen. maybe than i'll start explaining to you - as, evidently, you are too lazy to crawl from under the rock and look around - what a "country" is and how those things interact with each other.
see you later.
By enforcing communism in those countries you ruined their economical systems, cut it off from the world and brought the country's development to a halt. It made people die of starvation because a few pounds of meat per months was not enough. While the rest of the supplies go not to the country but to the outside, etc, etc. Why the hell do you think those countries' populations have uprisen against the Bolsheviks? sigh
Germany was devastated by the Nazi reign, but they managed to recover, communist countries didn't. How curious.
I'm sure Cuba would look a lot better today if the U.S didn't block trade and threaten other countries with sanctions if they traded. Even if that's not the whole story to the bad economic situation with Cuba (as Raul Castro has admitted himself).
What I'm trying to say is that not everything is black and white. There's the big-ass gray area all of us move in.
@DonFck: thank you. i doubt he'll listen - he's evidently come here to bark at them "evil commies" - but you tried and saved me a lot of typing .
as to communist ideology failing - say that to china. the way it looks now, it's pretty damn possible your grandchildren will all have to learn chineese.
your grasp of obvious is inspiring, dude, but you still haven't answered any questions i asked. anyway, the whole bloody history of human civilization is a story of how countries fuck each other up - that's one of the most important reasons for there being countries in the first place. and those countries who can fuck up others are usually considered powerfull and influential - like russia, for example, while those who get fucked up are considered unimportant and weak - like romania. being "rich" - as in "how many happy meals an average citizen can afford to stuff himself with" - has nothing whatsoever to do with this whole thing, and niether have your or mine or anybody else's notion of what's right or wrong. "ideology" is but one of many tools being used in international affairs and, while certainly powerfull, not the most important one.Ioan92 wrote:
I find it funny that almost all the countries that got annexed by the Soviet Union in WW2 are somewhat not the richest countries of Europe, but those who haven't are doing well, how ironic eh.. You also show me an EX communist / communist country that is of the level of a first world country, wait there isn't.Shahter wrote:
sure, kiddo, you'll have to explain a few things first though:Ioan92 wrote:
Well I think it would be time for Mr. Bolshevik to start including some evidence as to prove his country hasn't fucked up a couple of countries with their ideology of fail.
how exactly does a country "fuck up" another one with "ideology"? you will also have to remind me where exactly i claimed that "fucking up", whatever it might be, didn't happen. maybe than i'll start explaining to you - as, evidently, you are too lazy to crawl from under the rock and look around - what a "country" is and how those things interact with each other.
see you later.
By enforcing communism in those countries you ruined their economical systems, cut it off from the world and brought the country's development to a halt. It made people die of starvation because a few pounds of meat per months was not enough. While the rest of the supplies go not to the country but to the outside, etc, etc. Why the hell do you think those countries' populations have uprisen against the Bolsheviks? sigh
Germany was devastated by the Nazi reign, but they managed to recover, communist countries didn't. How curious.
as to communist ideology failing - say that to china. the way it looks now, it's pretty damn possible your grandchildren will all have to learn chineese.
lol, kid, you'd better crawl back under your rock or you might just have to learn something.Ioan92 wrote:
Hmm I haven't thought about this point of view, but do you have any proof to back that up? History material doesn't mention any embargoes going on..
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if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
You consider China as a success? What the hell does success even mean to you? Super population? Human rights abuse?Shahter wrote:
@DonFck: thank you. i doubt he'll listen - he's evidently come here to bark at them "evil commies" - but you tried and saved me a lot of typing .your grasp of obvious is inspiring, dude, but you still haven't answered any questions i asked. anyway, the whole bloody history of human civilization is a story of how countries fuck each other up - that's one of the most important reasons for there being countries in the first place. and those countries who can fuck up others are usually considered powerfull and influential - like russia, for example, while those who get fucked up are considered unimportant and weak - like romania. being "rich" - as in "how many happy meals an average citizen can afford to stuff himself with" - has nothing whatsoever to do with this whole thing, and niether have your or mine or anybody else's notion of what's right or wrong. "ideology" is but one of many tools being used in international affairs and, while certainly powerfull, not the most important one.Ioan92 wrote:
I find it funny that almost all the countries that got annexed by the Soviet Union in WW2 are somewhat not the richest countries of Europe, but those who haven't are doing well, how ironic eh.. You also show me an EX communist / communist country that is of the level of a first world country, wait there isn't.Shahter wrote:
sure, kiddo, you'll have to explain a few things first though:
how exactly does a country "fuck up" another one with "ideology"? you will also have to remind me where exactly i claimed that "fucking up", whatever it might be, didn't happen. maybe than i'll start explaining to you - as, evidently, you are too lazy to crawl from under the rock and look around - what a "country" is and how those things interact with each other.
see you later.
By enforcing communism in those countries you ruined their economical systems, cut it off from the world and brought the country's development to a halt. It made people die of starvation because a few pounds of meat per months was not enough. While the rest of the supplies go not to the country but to the outside, etc, etc. Why the hell do you think those countries' populations have uprisen against the Bolsheviks? sigh
Germany was devastated by the Nazi reign, but they managed to recover, communist countries didn't. How curious.
as to communist ideology failing - say that to china. the way it looks now, it's pretty damn possible your grandchildren will all have to learn chineese.lol, kid, you'd better crawl back under your rock or you might just have to learn something.Ioan92 wrote:
Hmm I haven't thought about this point of view, but do you have any proof to back that up? History material doesn't mention any embargoes going on..
China's growth is unsustainable. God help them if their economy ever goes into recession. The people would probably rebel and overthrow the government.Ioan92 wrote:
You consider China as a success? What the hell does success even mean to you? Super population? Human rights abuse?Shahter wrote:
@DonFck: thank you. i doubt he'll listen - he's evidently come here to bark at them "evil commies" - but you tried and saved me a lot of typing .your grasp of obvious is inspiring, dude, but you still haven't answered any questions i asked. anyway, the whole bloody history of human civilization is a story of how countries fuck each other up - that's one of the most important reasons for there being countries in the first place. and those countries who can fuck up others are usually considered powerfull and influential - like russia, for example, while those who get fucked up are considered unimportant and weak - like romania. being "rich" - as in "how many happy meals an average citizen can afford to stuff himself with" - has nothing whatsoever to do with this whole thing, and niether have your or mine or anybody else's notion of what's right or wrong. "ideology" is but one of many tools being used in international affairs and, while certainly powerfull, not the most important one.Ioan92 wrote:
I find it funny that almost all the countries that got annexed by the Soviet Union in WW2 are somewhat not the richest countries of Europe, but those who haven't are doing well, how ironic eh.. You also show me an EX communist / communist country that is of the level of a first world country, wait there isn't.
By enforcing communism in those countries you ruined their economical systems, cut it off from the world and brought the country's development to a halt. It made people die of starvation because a few pounds of meat per months was not enough. While the rest of the supplies go not to the country but to the outside, etc, etc. Why the hell do you think those countries' populations have uprisen against the Bolsheviks? sigh
Germany was devastated by the Nazi reign, but they managed to recover, communist countries didn't. How curious.
as to communist ideology failing - say that to china. the way it looks now, it's pretty damn possible your grandchildren will all have to learn chineese.lol, kid, you'd better crawl back under your rock or you might just have to learn something.Ioan92 wrote:
Hmm I haven't thought about this point of view, but do you have any proof to back that up? History material doesn't mention any embargoes going on..
In any case small rich nations sometimes do have more influence over larger nations. Old style politics of "might is right" doesn't work nowadays when countries have deep economic interest in each other. Small countries like Switzerland I would say have much more power and influence then larger countries like let's say Italy.
you operate on the assumption that socious constructs known as "states" exist to make life of their respective citizens better. in a perfect world - yes. we don't live in a perfect world.Ioan92 wrote:
You consider China as a success? What the hell does success even mean to you? Super population? Human rights abuse?
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if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Western Bloc anyone?Shahter wrote:
you operate on the assumption that socious constructs known as "states" exist to make life of their respective citizens better. in a perfect world - yes. we don't live in a perfect world.Ioan92 wrote:
You consider China as a success? What the hell does success even mean to you? Super population? Human rights abuse?
The Chinese only care about money. The average citizen loves the state. All the negativity you see is from a very very small percentage of the population. People in China are making money, so they're happy enough.
They got KFC and McDonalds, ofc they are happy.Cybargs wrote:
The Chinese only care about money. The average citizen loves the state. All the negativity you see is from a very very small percentage of the population. People in China are making money, so they're happy enough.
yeah he wont listen he was under Ceauşescu's the Vampire spell lol jk but yeah I agree with them DonFck communism was awful but its not the only thing to blame, read some Noam Chomsky books about international relationsShahter wrote:
@DonFck: thank you. i doubt he'll listen - he's evidently come here to bark at them "evil commies" - but you tried and saved me a lot of typing .your grasp of obvious is inspiring, dude, but you still haven't answered any questions i asked. anyway, the whole bloody history of human civilization is a story of how countries fuck each other up - that's one of the most important reasons for there being countries in the first place. and those countries who can fuck up others are usually considered powerfull and influential - like russia, for example, while those who get fucked up are considered unimportant and weak - like romania. being "rich" - as in "how many happy meals an average citizen can afford to stuff himself with" - has nothing whatsoever to do with this whole thing, and niether have your or mine or anybody else's notion of what's right or wrong. "ideology" is but one of many tools being used in international affairs and, while certainly powerfull, not the most important one.Ioan92 wrote:
I find it funny that almost all the countries that got annexed by the Soviet Union in WW2 are somewhat not the richest countries of Europe, but those who haven't are doing well, how ironic eh.. You also show me an EX communist / communist country that is of the level of a first world country, wait there isn't.Shahter wrote:
sure, kiddo, you'll have to explain a few things first though:
how exactly does a country "fuck up" another one with "ideology"? you will also have to remind me where exactly i claimed that "fucking up", whatever it might be, didn't happen. maybe than i'll start explaining to you - as, evidently, you are too lazy to crawl from under the rock and look around - what a "country" is and how those things interact with each other.
see you later.
By enforcing communism in those countries you ruined their economical systems, cut it off from the world and brought the country's development to a halt. It made people die of starvation because a few pounds of meat per months was not enough. While the rest of the supplies go not to the country but to the outside, etc, etc. Why the hell do you think those countries' populations have uprisen against the Bolsheviks? sigh
Germany was devastated by the Nazi reign, but they managed to recover, communist countries didn't. How curious.
as to communist ideology failing - say that to china. the way it looks now, it's pretty damn possible your grandchildren will all have to learn chineese.lol, kid, you'd better crawl back under your rock or you might just have to learn something.Ioan92 wrote:
Hmm I haven't thought about this point of view, but do you have any proof to back that up? History material doesn't mention any embargoes going on..
Yeah, but again, it is practical.ATG wrote:
Brazil is known for gangs of police going into ghettos and shooting homeless children.Turquoise wrote:
You know... Brazil has a very effective method of... disposing... of transients. I'm not saying it's the most moral thing to do, but it is practical.DonFck wrote:
Can't we all get along and not go into calling each others names before we have actual evidence? Besides, pot & kettle, we're having a new problem over here with Romanian immigrants thieving and begging all over the place. That's what I know, what I've seen and what's in the news. Other than that, I won't go talking shit before I have facts to support them.
In the news today. Unfortunately for them, they come over with nothing to count on. Social security goes for citizens alone. These are immigrants within the EU who just came over and did nothing, so there's no refugee support either. What's the reason for these people to leave their country for ours?
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Nice one dude.