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2010-07-22 10:56:29
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6420|North Tonawanda, NY

lowing wrote:

What you call "hassled" is really called investigation. You did take note that that the FBI "hassled" 28,000 people in an effort to prove McViegh was gulity.

If they are looking fora middle eastern person and the person they stop happens to fit that discription, you should be a little more understanding regarding what they are trying to prevent. Again fuck your feelings. Believe me, if the cops are stopinng someone it is for a "reason" other than to hassle someone for their own amusement.
Thus the difference between using specific information regarding someones appearance to conduct an investigation and racial profiling.

lowing wrote:

If the threat comes from Islam, EXPECT the search will be for Muslims.
Maybe a threat comes from Islam, but that doesn't mean that a middle eastern looking person should be stopped by police for no other reason than the fact that they appear to be middle eastern.  That would be racial profiling.  If a person is stopped for no other reason than racial profiling, it's obvious that they were hassled.
2010-07-23 03:37:28
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6701|'Murka

Mekstizzle wrote:

FEOS wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

There are 1.2 billion Muslims in the world. Only 20% of them are Arabic.

If Islam was such a threat the racial profiling would be targeting mostly Asians.
Ah, lrn2data.

The ones who blow people up aren't Asians. The validated data would point one toward the Arabic persuasion.
Really? The bombers over here in 7/7

Three were of Pakistan descent, one was of Jamaican (black) descent or something like that. Then you have your recent Times Square bomber who was from Pakistan I think. We've (and you) have also had cases of people from Euro descent converting to Islam and doing bad shit (or Chechens and such). You've got Somalians (some tried another attack on London soon after the 7th July one) that black Nigerian guy who tried to blow up that plane.

Islam has all the bases loaded

Americans are still stuck in the mindset of 9/11 which actually was done by Arabs, most probably still think it was a bunch of Afghans who did it anyway.
You're pointing out the shift in tactics as a result of successful profiling. BTW, Pakistanis would be caught up in racial profiling based on Arabic traits, depending on where they are from in Pakistan. And the bulk of those rounded up from unsuccessful attacks and those in the planning stages still fit the Arabic profile, by and large, both here and abroad.

AussieReaper wrote:

Learn to read facts:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Bali_bombings

These bombers were certainly Asian. Certainly Muslim. And certainly blew people up.

Or is that not validated enough for you because the terrorists isn't Arabic?
One or two does not change the bulk of the sample. Bell curve much?

I'm not advocating racial profiling as an exclusive tool. But it should not be excluded due to PC reasons.

Last edited by FEOS (2010-07-23 03:40:12)

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2010-07-23 03:39:42
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6911|London, England
It's not a shift in tactics on their behalf, it's just that extremists come from all around the world. You're so caught up in 9/11 that you probably forget everything before and after that event in terms of Islamic extremism.
2010-07-23 06:02:26
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6941|USA

SenorToenails wrote:

lowing wrote:

What you call "hassled" is really called investigation. You did take note that that the FBI "hassled" 28,000 people in an effort to prove McViegh was gulity.

If they are looking fora middle eastern person and the person they stop happens to fit that discription, you should be a little more understanding regarding what they are trying to prevent. Again fuck your feelings. Believe me, if the cops are stopinng someone it is for a "reason" other than to hassle someone for their own amusement.
Thus the difference between using specific information regarding someones appearance to conduct an investigation and racial profiling.

lowing wrote:

If the threat comes from Islam, EXPECT the search will be for Muslims.
Maybe a threat comes from Islam, but that doesn't mean that a middle eastern looking person should be stopped by police for no other reason than the fact that they appear to be middle eastern.  That would be racial profiling.  If a person is stopped for no other reason than racial profiling, it's obvious that they were hassled.
Sorry, when it is one or 2 ME getting on a plane and they are looking for ME islamic terrorists, it makes sense to question the only 2 ME Islamic people getting on the plane. Or do you insist they stop the 80 year old woman on oxygen instead. Becareful your choice someones life might depend on it.
2010-07-23 06:13:33
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6911|London, England

lowing wrote:

Sorry, when it is one or 2 ME getting on a plane and they are looking for ME islamic terrorists, it makes sense to question the only 2 ME Islamic people getting on the plane. Or do you insist they stop the 80 year old woman on oxygen instead. Becareful your choice someones life might depend on it.
When they have specific intel, then it's not really racial profiling. That's just standard procedure. Racial profiling is more like just doing things at random. If they had no intel of an attack from a bunch of guys from the "Middle East" and then just randomly decided to stop/harass people "who looked like they were from the Middle East, because they might be terrorists" that's racial profiling and isn't helpful.

Terrorism is rarely stopped because of random searches of people who look suspicious (for whatever reason, race being one of them). Infact, I don't think an attack has ever been thwarted like that. All it does is alienate people, but make those who wish to see certain status quo's remain feel comfortable with themselves and the society around them.

You're confusing calculated searches based on intel with random stops and harassment. This is why you keep bringing up specific examples. Like the Uni-bomber or when they are "looking for ME terrorists" compared to just a general thing, and then when people try to explain otherwise you just keep bringing up more confused examples and easy case scenarios where intel would suggest that it would be wise to do things in certain ways.
2010-07-23 06:17:32
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6420|North Tonawanda, NY

lowing wrote:

Sorry, when it is one or 2 ME getting on a plane and they are looking for ME islamic terrorists, it makes sense to question the only 2 ME Islamic people getting on the plane. Or do you insist they stop the 80 year old woman on oxygen instead. Becareful your choice someones life might depend on it.
This is a false dichotomy.

Also, read Mek's post.
2010-07-23 06:53:46
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6941|USA

Mekstizzle wrote:

lowing wrote:

Sorry, when it is one or 2 ME getting on a plane and they are looking for ME islamic terrorists, it makes sense to question the only 2 ME Islamic people getting on the plane. Or do you insist they stop the 80 year old woman on oxygen instead. Becareful your choice someones life might depend on it.
When they have specific intel, then it's not really racial profiling. That's just standard procedure. Racial profiling is more like just doing things at random. If they had no intel of an attack from a bunch of guys from the "Middle East" and then just randomly decided to stop/harass people "who looked like they were from the Middle East, because they might be terrorists" that's racial profiling and isn't helpful.

Terrorism is rarely stopped because of random searches of people who look suspicious (for whatever reason, race being one of them). Infact, I don't think an attack has ever been thwarted like that. All it does is alienate people, but make those who wish to see certain status quo's remain feel comfortable with themselves and the society around them.

You're confusing calculated searches based on intel with random stops and harassment. This is why you keep bringing up specific examples. Like the Uni-bomber or when they are "looking for ME terrorists" compared to just a general thing, and then when people try to explain otherwise you just keep bringing up more confused examples and easy case scenarios where intel would suggest that it would be wise to do things in certain ways.
Gee, well I guess I am confused. If the  vast majority of the problems/ bombings/hijackings lie with dark skinned, dark haired men in their mid to late 20's of ME descent, why again should we not single them out for questioning?
2010-07-23 06:57:50
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,817|6396|eXtreme to the maX

lowing wrote:

Gee, well I guess I am confused. If the  vast majority of the problems/ bombings/hijackings lie with dark skinned, dark haired men in their mid to late 20's of ME descent, why again should we not single them out for questioning?
Because its a waste of time and pisses people off?
Fuck Israel
2010-07-23 07:02:12
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6941|USA

Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

Gee, well I guess I am confused. If the  vast majority of the problems/ bombings/hijackings lie with dark skinned, dark haired men in their mid to late 20's of ME descent, why again should we not single them out for questioning?
Because its a waste of time and pisses people off?
Sorry, I don't give a fuck about your feelings compared to prudence in an effort to thwart terrorism.
2010-07-23 07:05:11
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,817|6396|eXtreme to the maX
Not really a lot of point in harassing random people if your President can't act on a memo.

www.fas.org/irp/cia/product/pdb080601.pdf
Fuck Israel
2010-07-23 07:08:57
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6911|London, England
Yup, and he's even wrong with his racial assumptions of Islamic terrorists. And like I said before, no terror plot was or will be foiled by randomly stopping/harassing someone who looked the 'wrong colour'. It doesn't even work like that.

I'm sure if authorities started cracking down on paedophiles on the level they do with terrorism, and they then resorted to racial profiling, you lowing would be up in arms as you'd suddenly find yourself slap bang in middle of the demographic. You're always talking about bad government this and that but you always want them to save your ass whilst at the same time pissing off/harassing and hurting everyone else except you and maybe your family (whether its going to war or things going on domestically, it's always something).

Your inability to look past yourself is woeful.
2010-07-23 07:10:33
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6911|London, England
One could even assume that paedophilia is a much worse problem in a country like the US than Islamic terrorism ever will be, of course it also targets the people who have the most votes, naturally.
2010-07-23 07:13:09
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,817|6396|eXtreme to the maX
Given road crashes kill many more people than terrorism clearly white males with cars are the problem.

I'd target them for profiling.
Fuck Israel
2010-07-23 07:25:28
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6941|USA

Dilbert_X wrote:

Not really a lot of point in harassing random people if your President can't act on a memo.

www.fas.org/irp/cia/product/pdb080601.pdf
The are not harrassing random people. They are questoning people that fitr the description of nearly 100% of all hijackers/ bombers in our time



http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_QgTvnPtrdMY/S … ackers.jpg

http://tomdiaz.wordpress.com/2009/09/25 … d_374x450/

http://revoltoftheplebs.files.wordpress … rwear1.jpg

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2007/ … 7_bomb.php

So yeah, I see your point, better to ignore young ME men flying to and from the states.
2010-07-23 07:30:26
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6941|USA

Dilbert_X wrote:

Given road crashes kill many more people than terrorism clearly white males with cars are the problem.

I'd target them for profiling.
Hmmmmm trying to compare car ACCIDENTS with the purposeful attempt to blow up women, children, buildings, airplanes, resorts, trains, embassies, ships, etc.....how so very desperate of you.
2010-07-23 08:19:40
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5876

Mekstizzle wrote:

You're always talking about bad government this and that but you always want them to save your ass whilst at the same time pissing off/harassing and hurting everyone else except you and maybe your family (whether its going to war or things going on domestically, it's always something).

Your inability to look past yourself is woeful.
So lowing should have others interest in mind when forming opinions on things that affect his life?

Last edited by Macbeth (2010-07-23 08:20:54)

2010-07-23 08:34:45
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6911|London, England
No, he can be like that, just there's no need to also bring in bucketloads of asshole into that frame of mind.

If you want to be self serving and all for your interests that's all good, just no need to also be a dick towards others. They are two entirely different things. Until you make the distinction you're never going to get away from the same old troublesome beliefs.

Last edited by Mekstizzle (2010-07-23 08:38:31)

2010-07-23 11:13:17
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6941|USA

Mekstizzle wrote:

Yup, and he's even wrong with his racial assumptions of Islamic terrorists. And like I said before, no terror plot was or will be foiled by randomly stopping/harassing someone who looked the 'wrong colour'. It doesn't even work like that.

I'm sure if authorities started cracking down on paedophiles on the level they do with terrorism, and they then resorted to racial profiling, you lowing would be up in arms as you'd suddenly find yourself slap bang in middle of the demographic. You're always talking about bad government this and that but you always want them to save your ass whilst at the same time pissing off/harassing and hurting everyone else except you and maybe your family (whether its going to war or things going on domestically, it's always something).

Your inability to look past yourself is woeful.
Well tell ya what, you show me where it has been proven a Muslim was stopped and questioned for no other reason than because they were Muslim, ( not because of where they were flying to or from, not because of how they were dressed, not because of how they looked, not because of what they were carrying or not carrying, not because they looked nervous, but because they were Muslim,) coupled with my inability to show white people have also been stopped and questioned, and I will concede the point.

Did I mention that Islam is not a fucking race and therefore could not be considered racial profiling?  Oh well a point largly ignored anyway.
2010-07-23 11:14:19
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6941|USA
http://angrywhitedude.com/?tag=airport-security
and by a Muslim too!! That Muslim has just racially profiled a NUN!!! Uhhhh NUN is a race right?
   

get back with me when a white guy ( or even a nun ) hi-jacks a fucking airliner and tries to blow it up..Until then deal with the fact that all hi-jackers/ bombers as of late, have been Muslim, dark skinned, dark haired, and ages between 20 and 30 fuckin years old. Get over it.

Last edited by lowing (2010-07-23 11:56:15)

2010-07-23 11:18:29
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6986|NJ
Berny Madoff would have been caught sooner.

Why is a Nun at an airport though. I always thought they could fly.

Last edited by cpt.fass1 (2010-07-23 11:19:13)

2010-07-23 20:24:53
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6701|'Murka

Mekstizzle wrote:

It's not a shift in tactics on their behalf, it's just that extremists come from all around the world. You're so caught up in 9/11 that you probably forget everything before and after that event in terms of Islamic extremism.
Hardly. I'm just not caught up in the latest blip on the statistical radar screen and confusing that with a trend.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2010-07-23 20:32:14
rdx-fx
...
+955|6881

Dilbert_X wrote:

If you can show that all people of a particular race think in a particular way then yes.
As they don't the answer is no.

Although, I'd suggest using the race, religion, political affiliations and career profile of the single most effective terrorist to hit the US so far.

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj25 … cveigh.jpg
So..  we're looking for guys that Dilbert has pictures of on his computer, as potential terrorists.
Fair enough.
2010-07-24 00:17:44
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,817|6396|eXtreme to the maX

rdx-fx wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

If you can show that all people of a particular race think in a particular way then yes.
As they don't the answer is no.

Although, I'd suggest using the race, religion, political affiliations and career profile of the single most effective terrorist to hit the US so far.

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj25 … cveigh.jpg
So..  we're looking for guys that Dilbert has pictures of on his computer, as potential terrorists.
Fair enough.
Timothy McVeigh dummy. He was a terrorist, all white war veterans should be targeted.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2010-07-24 00:18:25)

Fuck Israel
2010-07-24 07:12:08
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6941|USA

Dilbert_X wrote:

rdx-fx wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

If you can show that all people of a particular race think in a particular way then yes.
As they don't the answer is no.

Although, I'd suggest using the race, religion, political affiliations and career profile of the single most effective terrorist to hit the US so far.

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj25 … cveigh.jpg
So..  we're looking for guys that Dilbert has pictures of on his computer, as potential terrorists.
Fair enough.
Timothy McVeigh dummy. He was a terrorist, all white war veterans should be targeted.
lol, yes because 1 always makes a pattern.
2010-07-24 07:48:09
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6871|SE London

lowing wrote:

Gee, well I guess I am confused. If the  vast majority of the problems/ bombings/hijackings lie with dark skinned, dark haired men in their mid to late 20's of ME descent, why again should we not single them out for questioning?
You keep making assertion that the majority of hijacking are done by people from the Middle East.

That simply isn't true.

lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

rdx-fx wrote:


So..  we're looking for guys that Dilbert has pictures of on his computer, as potential terrorists.
Fair enough.
Timothy McVeigh dummy. He was a terrorist, all white war veterans should be targeted.
lol, yes because 1 always makes a pattern.
What about the most recent Islamic suicide bomber in the US (Oklahoma, 2005)?

He was white.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2010-07-24 07:50:27)

 

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