BF2S Forums "racist" arrest

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

You guys are doing some awfully selective reading today.

It's not selective reading. It's a direct response to exactly what you wrote. If that's not what you mean you should learn to express yourself a bit better.

Stop with the backhanded insults.

Nobody will ever take you seriously until you do.

Bertster7 wrote:

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

Think he may have been loud and tumultuous at the officer who refused to give him name and badge number?

Thats of course if you believe what he says.

A guy who cries racism at the first instance of police questioning loses a little credibility in my book.

What a retarded post. Anyone who complains of racism has no credibility?

You sir, have lost all credibility.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2009-07-21 08:12:46)

Stubbee wrote:

Disclaimer: Just because I agree with lowing in this instance does not constitute a endorsement of any other of his cockamamie posts.

The professor way over reacted to police.

Bertster7 wrote:

Stubbee wrote:

Disclaimer: Just because I agree with lowing in this instance does not constitute a endorsement of any other of his cockamamie posts.

The professor way over reacted to police.

It looks like he probably did overreact and piss the police off. Were the police justified in arresting him though? The police aren't allowed to arrest you for just pissing them off.

M.O.A.B wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Stubbee wrote:

Disclaimer: Just because I agree with lowing in this instance does not constitute a endorsement of any other of his cockamamie posts.

The professor way over reacted to police.

It looks like he probably did overreact and piss the police off. Were the police justified in arresting him though? The police aren't allowed to arrest you for just pissing them off.

I've seen police (UK) arrest someone who was giving them the finger and the wanker gesture while he was walking away. I'd say that taking effort to piss them off is similar to wasting their time.

Bertster7 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

I have done. Many times. No police. Environmental health sometimes - who have the power to confiscate audio equipment...

So giving them two different forms of ID is not cooperating? Alongside the fact that Gates had breathing difficulties and could not physically have been screaming and yelling at the cops as they claim and the other guy with Gates denies. They refused to give their badge number to him, they aren't allowed to withold that information - it's just like refusal to show ID to the police, there is no difference. The difference here is that Gates did produce ID, the police didn't provide their badge numbers.

Why do you continue to ignore the fact that the guy refused to show ID initially?  It is like a high speed chase, if you pull over as soon as they turn on the sirens, you will have no problem, if you do it after a 100 mile an hour chase through a nieghborhood, you have just bought some problems.

and again,during an investigation it is the cop thatis running the show, not the suspect.

In your own home, when you haven't commited a crime, that's simply not the case. It's you running the show unless they have a warrant.

If you prove your identity to them, you are well within your rights to then tell them to get off your property immediately. The moment his identity was established they had no business being there. He did show them ID, whether there was a delay or not does not impact his rights in his own home.

Last edited by lowing (2009-07-21 12:20:09)

Diesel_dyk wrote:

You know being a Harvard professor at the top of your career and then to have some lame ass cop pull you back down to the level of a street thug because of some "call" about a black entering a house in a prestigious neighborhood, IMO this guy has a right to be pissed.

What did the cop say... "hey you N****, this can't be your house because your a N*****" even if the cop didn't say it, the cops actions said it for him.


Lowings argument is simple, real simple, a cop's "authorita" must be obeyed no matter how retarded actions of the cop are. 

Our rights are proactive not simply reactive, I would say its a citizens duty to tell a cop when they are out of line, a citizen acting to protect their rights is the front line in the defense of the rights of all of us - its just that some people believe that cops have more rights than the people.

All of this could be an overreaction by both sides, but when something like this happens to someone who is higher profile and who has the assets at his disposal to make a stand for some cause, like the rights of all of us, I would wager that the cops are going to be the ones on the defensive in this one. All I can say is what till a few other people from the Harvard faculty get on this case, like Dershowitz or Tribe. This cop stepped in a world of crap.



BTW next thing you know the cops are going to be called to arrest this guy for breaking into the governors mansion
http://www.mass.gov/Agov3/images/patrick_deval_bio.jpg
Actually I would expect the governor to poke his nose into this one too. Like I said, a world of crap.

Last edited by lowing (2009-07-21 14:29:04)

lowing wrote:

Diesel_dyk wrote:

You know being a Harvard professor at the top of your career and then to have some lame ass cop pull you back down to the level of a street thug because of some "call" about a black entering a house in a prestigious neighborhood, IMO this guy has a right to be pissed.

What did the cop say... "hey you N****, this can't be your house because your a N*****" even if the cop didn't say it, the cops actions said it for him.


Lowings argument is simple, real simple, a cop's "authorita" must be obeyed no matter how retarded actions of the cop are. 

Our rights are proactive not simply reactive, I would say its a citizens duty to tell a cop when they are out of line, a citizen acting to protect their rights is the front line in the defense of the rights of all of us - its just that some people believe that cops have more rights than the people.

All of this could be an overreaction by both sides, but when something like this happens to someone who is higher profile and who has the assets at his disposal to make a stand for some cause, like the rights of all of us, I would wager that the cops are going to be the ones on the defensive in this one. All I can say is what till a few other people from the Harvard faculty get on this case, like Dershowitz or Tribe. This cop stepped in a world of crap.



BTW next thing you know the cops are going to be called to arrest this guy for breaking into the governors mansion
http://www.mass.gov/Agov3/images/patrick_deval_bio.jpg
Actually I would expect the governor to poke his nose into this one too. Like I said, a world of crap.

Actually the cop did not respond to a "black" man breaking into a house, they responded to a man breaking into a house.

So let me get this straight. As liberals, you expect to have all guns removed from law abiding citizens claiming protection is the job of the police. Then when the police show up to actually protect you, you claim you can treat them anyway you want ( in your home ) refuse to identify yourself, and hassle them for trying to do what you have charged them to do.


As a liberal you EXPECT and DEMAND their protection,because feel your protection is not your responsibility, but in the same breathe declare you owe nothing to their position of authority in dealing with a situation, and this makes perfect sense to you.  You mother fuckers are insane.

Diesel_dyk wrote:

lowing wrote:

Diesel_dyk wrote:

You know being a Harvard professor at the top of your career and then to have some lame ass cop pull you back down to the level of a street thug because of some "call" about a black entering a house in a prestigious neighborhood, IMO this guy has a right to be pissed.

What did the cop say... "hey you N****, this can't be your house because your a N*****" even if the cop didn't say it, the cops actions said it for him.


Lowings argument is simple, real simple, a cop's "authorita" must be obeyed no matter how retarded actions of the cop are. 

Our rights are proactive not simply reactive, I would say its a citizens duty to tell a cop when they are out of line, a citizen acting to protect their rights is the front line in the defense of the rights of all of us - its just that some people believe that cops have more rights than the people.

All of this could be an overreaction by both sides, but when something like this happens to someone who is higher profile and who has the assets at his disposal to make a stand for some cause, like the rights of all of us, I would wager that the cops are going to be the ones on the defensive in this one. All I can say is what till a few other people from the Harvard faculty get on this case, like Dershowitz or Tribe. This cop stepped in a world of crap.



BTW next thing you know the cops are going to be called to arrest this guy for breaking into the governors mansion
http://www.mass.gov/Agov3/images/patrick_deval_bio.jpg
Actually I would expect the governor to poke his nose into this one too. Like I said, a world of crap.

Actually the cop did not respond to a "black" man breaking into a house, they responded to a man breaking into a house.

So let me get this straight. As liberals, you expect to have all guns removed from law abiding citizens claiming protection is the job of the police. Then when the police show up to actually protect you, you claim you can treat them anyway you want ( in your home ) refuse to identify yourself, and hassle them for trying to do what you have charged them to do.


As a liberal you EXPECT and DEMAND their protection,because feel your protection is not your responsibility, but in the same breathe declare you owe nothing to their position of authority in dealing with a situation, and this makes perfect sense to you.  You mother fuckers are insane.

I glad he was protecting all of our rights, including yours

BTW Cambridge dropped the charges, I expect that there will be a huge lawsuit on this one. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090721/ap_ … disorderly

So if the arrest was SO kosher, I doubt that would have happened. Here's to hoping that one day you get dragged off kicking an screaming from your home by some retarded, under educated cop/ bully..... and perhaps clubbed in the privates and probed in the neither regions... may then you might learn empathy, because I sense a real lack of empathy in your statements that results in a real lack of common sense.

-CARNIFEX-[LOC] wrote:

This thread has reached the consistency of digital vomit.


The professor acted like a douchebag, and while I would expect the cops to subsequently return the favor by being dicks right back, they still didn't have a right to arrest him.

I've had friends that were arrested for "resisting arrest", when there was literally no charge they were being arrested on in the first place (no disorderly conduct, nothing)...it seems pretty impossible to be arrested for resisting an arrest attempt that technically didn't happen, but there you have it.  When my friend went to court, the cops involved didn't show and the judge tossed the case - it simply wound up being a waste of my friend's (and the legal system's) time and money.

You CAN be arrested for just about any reason cops choose, and it doesn't necessarily matter if it was bogus - you might get "lucky" and just spend a night in jail, never to have any official charges against you.  Some think that that is fair enough since you won't wind up with a record, but I think that's a shitty deal for the citizens involved if you ask me.

The bottom line is, the cops could and maybe should have been pricks right back to the guy, but not tried to flex their authoritative muscle by arresting him.


And what does being liberal necessarily have to do with gun rights?  I'm probably liberal by some BF2s'ers standards, but I fail to see the correlation to gun ownership.  Hell, I wish everyone had firearms training and a gun in the house - I think we might be better off for it.  The sooner you learn to stop lumping everyone into black and white (no pun intended, considering the thread this is in) style categories, the better.

steelie34 wrote:

seeing as how i'm about to marry an attorney, i asked what she thought about this.  she told me a few things that we'd do well to remember.  the ONLY thing you should ever say to police is "i don't know, I need my attorney", "am i under arrest, or am I free to go?"

for example:  cop says, "are these your drugs?"

you say, "I don't know, i need my attorney"

or

cop says, "you seem nervous, is there a problem?"

you say, "am i under arrest?"

cop,"no"

you, "am i free to go?"

dont EVER EVER EVER agree to your car being searched.  if you are asked to step out, roll up your window and lock your door.  do not agree to any search.  if the cop says, if you tell me u have drugs, we'll go easy on you... you say, my attorney advised me to not allow a search.  if they threaten to call a canine unit to sniff your vehicle, keep in mind they cannot detain you for longer than a normal traffic stop would take.  it's usually an empty threat, so if they ask you something like that, respond with your own question... am i under arrest?  they will usually just let you go.

good advice