BF2S Forums Healthcare support goes under 50%

PureFodder wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

But as the effects of the US healthcare industry on the US economy will effect the global economy and therefore are likely to impact my life I am a stake holder in the process. The potential collapse of the US medical system is being viewed with plenty of concern by economists around the world as they have had a pertinent demonstration of what happens when the US economy goes off the rails for a bit.

How is any of what I said arrogant? the fact that the US system has a seious potential to impact me is arrogant? The real arrogance is people like you who claim to have in depth knowledge of the system simply by being involved with the end result of it. The idea that having had medical insurance means that you can speak with authority for 300,000,000 people and all their situations and know all the economic and personal effects that changes to the system can have is insane. When I buy a train ticket I don't claim to have any in depth knowledge of the transportation industry. When I buy some imported German sausages I don't claim to have relavant personal experience of the effects of the Euro on the British economy. That would be arrogance.

I did not say that I speak for 300 million people. You made that association because pointing out the absurdity makes you some how feel enlightened.  However my real experience does have value, as opposed to a Google educated perception of what someone feels it is really like over here. I'm not basing this on just my own personal experience neither. I have friends and family that share their real day to day involvement with me. Some of them work in the healthcare industry. This knowledge is combined with the opportunity I share with you, to investigate the situation on a larger scale. Unfortunately this information is too often filled with bias interpretation. The US healthcare system isn't going to collapse. Far from it. However, if you have propped yourself up on an economy that you feel is on the verge of collapse then that is your problem. I'm critical of my own countries debt problem and I'm not looking for another country to blame or excuse it. Sometimes you have to look inwards to progress. It is not our responsibility to cater to you. Every country in the world acts in what believe to be their best interest. We are going to make our choices in domestic healthcare based on what we feel is right for our country. A fact you should think about accepting.

Look at any projections of the future costs of the US health industry. It's currently rising at about double the rate of inflation and wages and significantly faster than US GDP. This is pretty well universally expected to cause a huge increase in the US deficit and cause more extensive harm to US businesses as they are faced with an ever increasing burden to pay their employees healthcare costs. there's either going to be a very significant change or a collapse.

I accept that the US decision is entirely for Americans to decide, but I totally diasagree that people outside the US can't give opinions about it and even have far more informed opinions about it. The chances are that on a wide range of internal UK issues, half an hour with google will make you much more informed than me. You look for people in a position to know far more than the average person, such as experts in the particular field and those who have carried out widespread research on the topic and read/understand what they've said about it. As such it is therefore possible to influence what people in another country feel is their best option. As has been shown repeatededly on this forum alone, people can be completely wrong about issues internal to their country and be corrected on it by foreigners. As one of the main issues regarding the US healthcare debate is how the current system stacks up against the types of system in other countries like the UK, then clearly the opinions of foreigners are equally important when trying to determine which system is best.

There's a further issue that as a Brit and an American the idea that "It is not our responsibility to cater to you." is deeply hypocritical as both our countries have a rich history of invading, overthrowing and meddling in other countries when their internal politics don't cater to us.

FEOS wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

Look at any projections of the future costs of the US health industry. It's currently rising at about double the rate of inflation and wages and significantly faster than US GDP. This is pretty well universally expected to cause a huge increase in the US deficit and cause more extensive harm to US businesses as they are faced with an ever increasing burden to pay their employees healthcare costs. there's either going to be a very significant change or a collapse.

It's only going to cause a huge increase in the deficit if the government has to pay for it...which it doesn't right now...but would if you had your way.

FEOS wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

FEOS wrote:

It's only going to cause a huge increase in the deficit if the government has to pay for it...which it doesn't right now...but would if you had your way.

Medicare/medicaid is going to do that at the current rate. The problem with the rest of the system is that is will cripple the rest of the economy by making every employer fork out a vast amount of their profit margins on health insurance of their employees. This has obvious impacts in reduced spending in other sectors and will reduce the ability of US companies to compete with foreign goods and services who have much more managable healthcare costs through taxes.

That doesn't address the problem of costs. All it does is transfer the costs to the government instead of private industry. Which transfers the cost to taxpayers instead of consumers--which are not necessarily one and the same. Which in turn transfers the costs from business expenses to government deficit additions.

Cybargs wrote:

Why has no one thought of the idea that the Gov should pay for 50% of healthcare costs, and insurance companies pay for 50% =.= Wouldn't that be a great compromise?

Families and individuals that pay private health insurance premiums are eligible for the Federal Government 30% Rebate on private health insurance. Anyone who pays hospital and/or general private health fund premiums for a Complying Health Insurance Policy to a registered health fund can get a 30% reduction on the cost of their private health insurance.

Harmor wrote:

Here's Socialized medicine for you:

Family told by NHS: Alzheimer's is not a 'health condition'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healt … ition.html

Harmor wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Eh...  Americans bitch about everything and anything, and then when there is an attempt to fix something, they'll bitch about that too.

Better than most countries...I mean look at Iran for example...

Kmarion wrote:

Whoever say we don't need reform of some sort is either lying or uniformed.

Look at this ttile ffs. "Healthcare support goes under 50%" .. wtf