Macbeth
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So I was going through DSM-IV a few days ago and was marveled by how many different personality disorders there are. Something that I found weird though was how broad much of the criteria for diagnosing a person with a personality disorder was.

For instance to be diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder you have to have 5 out of the 9 criteria.
 
1. Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment. [Not including suicidal or self-injuring behavior covered in Criterion 5]
   2. A pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation.
   3. Identity disturbance: markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self.
   4. Impulsivity in at least two areas that are potentially self-damaging (e.g., promiscuous sex, eating disorders, binge eating, substance abuse, reckless driving). [Again, not including suicidal or self-injuring behavior covered in Criterion 5]
   5. Recurrent suicidal behavior, gestures, threats or self-injuring behavior such as cutting, interfering with the healing of scars (excoriation) or picking at oneself.
   6. Affective instability due to a marked reactivity of mood (e.g., intense episodic dysphoria, irritability or anxiety usually lasting a few hours and only rarely more than a few days).
   7. Chronic feelings of emptiness
   8. Inappropriate anger or difficulty controlling anger (e.g., frequent displays of temper, constant anger, recurrent physical fights).
   9. Transient, stress-related paranoid ideation, delusions or severe dissociative symptoms
Easy to hit 5 of those without any deep thought for most people. Then here is the one for Antisocial personality disorder. You have to hit 3 or more of these.
1. Failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;
   2. Deceitfulness, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;
   3. Impulsivity or failure to plan ahead;
   4. Irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;
   5. Reckless disregard for safety of self or others;
   6. Consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations;
   7. Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another.
Hit 4 or more of these and you have Paranoid personality disorder.
* Suspects, without sufficient basis, that others are exploiting, harming, or deceiving him or her
    * Is preoccupied with unjustified doubts about the loyalty or trustworthiness of friends or associates
    * Is reluctant to confide in others because of unwarranted fear that the information will be used maliciously against him or her
    * Reads benign remarks or events as threatening or demeaning.
    * Persistently bears grudges, i.e., is unforgiving of insults, injuries, or slights
    * Perceives attacks on his or her character or reputation that are not apparent to others and is quick to react angrily or to counterattack
    * Has recurrent suspicions, without justification, regarding fidelity of spouse or sexual partner.
I could go on and on but what I'm getting at is ; anyone else find these extremely broad and easy to put any person into for whatever reason.
AussieReaper
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No.

I think you are delusional and paranoid.
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Hurricane2k9
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No. You have to show those symptoms pretty strongly and repeatedly for a while before it can be diagnosed.
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jsnipy
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No. Just no.
Macbeth
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AussieReaper wrote:

No

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

No

jsnipy wrote:

No
Damn it.
.Sup
be nice
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i agree
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KuSTaV
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* Suspects, without sufficient basis, that others are exploiting, harming, or deceiving him or her
    * Is preoccupied with unjustified doubts about the loyalty or trustworthiness of friends or associates
    * Is reluctant to confide in others because of unwarranted fear that the information will be used maliciously against him or her
    * Reads benign remarks or events as threatening or demeaning.
Damnit.
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zeidmaan
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They are kind of broad and I think one could easily convince oneself that one fits in many categories, but it takes an expert to properly diagnose someone.
Dilbert_X
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Most definitions of mental 'conditions' apply to everyone at some time or other.
Its how psychiatrists make money.
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Spark
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There's a reason we don't diagnose, they do.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
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AussieReaper
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Spark wrote:

There's a reason we don't diagnose, they do.
My diagnosis, or is that prognosis? Whichever... is that you need to see a psychiatrist. Or is that psychologist?

I dunno, lol
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lowing
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Just part of the liberal design to remove all responsibility from the individual and assign their behavior/irresponsibility to some sort of syndrome or disease, all requiring govt. aid of course.
DonFck
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lowing wrote:

Just part of the liberal design to remove all responsibility from the individual and assign their behavior/irresponsibility to some sort of syndrome or disease, all requiring govt. aid of course.
I blame Obama.
I need around tree fiddy.
lowing
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DonFck wrote:

lowing wrote:

Just part of the liberal design to remove all responsibility from the individual and assign their behavior/irresponsibility to some sort of syndrome or disease, all requiring govt. aid of course.
I blame Obama.
Ya can't, the entitlement/dismissal of personal responsibility ideology in the US goes back to Jimmy Carter, not Obama. Blame his peanut eating ass.
ATG
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Bah, FDR came first.
lowing
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ATG wrote:

Bah, FDR came first.
yes but the American mindset of pussification and complete entitlement did not take root until Carter, a presidency we never recovered from, not even after Reagan took office.
Red Forman
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The pussification?  What on earth does that mean?  Mind you our generation was/is fighting two wars at the same time.  How is that pussification?  Unless you are talking about the lazy welfare state being created in poor areas, thus keeping them poor and lazy.  Which if you ask me, has been the plan all along.

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lowing
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Red Forman wrote:

The pussification?  What on earth does that mean?  Mind you our generation was/is fighting two wars at the same time.  How is that pussification?  Unless you are talking about the lazy welfare state being created in poor areas, thus keeping them poor and lazy.  Which if you ask me, has been plan all along.
yes pussification, the American public, after it was attacked 60 + years ago, rationed, sacrificed and lined up for war, today, after an attack, we bitch about taking off our shoes at the airport, and the price of gas.
Red Forman
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lowing wrote:

Red Forman wrote:

The pussification?  What on earth does that mean?  Mind you our generation was/is fighting two wars at the same time.  How is that pussification?  Unless you are talking about the lazy welfare state being created in poor areas, thus keeping them poor and lazy.  Which if you ask me, has been plan all along.
yes pussification, the American public, after it was attacked 60 + years ago, rationed, sacrificed and lined up for war, today, after an attack, we bitch about taking off our shoes at the airport, and the price of gas.
We bitch about the shoes and gas because both are a scam.  The shoes is window dressing to make the public feel safe.  Go read the TSA's mission statement.  It basically says it is there to make you feel safe.  That's about it.  As for gas prices.  People bitch because it is all based off speculation, which is usually wrong.
lowing
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Red Forman wrote:

lowing wrote:

Red Forman wrote:

The pussification?  What on earth does that mean?  Mind you our generation was/is fighting two wars at the same time.  How is that pussification?  Unless you are talking about the lazy welfare state being created in poor areas, thus keeping them poor and lazy.  Which if you ask me, has been plan all along.
yes pussification, the American public, after it was attacked 60 + years ago, rationed, sacrificed and lined up for war, today, after an attack, we bitch about taking off our shoes at the airport, and the price of gas.
We bitch about the shoes and gas because both are a scam.  The shoes is window dressing to make the public feel safe.  Go read the TSA's mission statement.  It basically says it is there to make you feel safe.  That's about it.  As for gas prices.  People bitch because it is all based off speculation, which is usually wrong.
regardless, the American public can not be bothered with inconvenience regardless of the reason. We are also choked with PC having our feelings hurt just won't do now adays. We are pussies, face it.
Hurricane2k9
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lowing wrote:

Just part of the liberal design to remove all responsibility from the individual and assign their behavior/irresponsibility to some sort of syndrome or disease, all requiring govt. aid of course.
Please don't mix science with extremoliberalism
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lowing
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Hurricane2k9 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Just part of the liberal design to remove all responsibility from the individual and assign their behavior/irresponsibility to some sort of syndrome or disease, all requiring govt. aid of course.
Please don't mix science with extremoliberalism
science? ya mean the same science that turned a typical school bully into and kid with ADD, or ADHD in need of mind altering drugs instead of his fuckin ass whipped?? Gimme a break.

Anyway, I gotta go, my wrestless leg syndrome is acting up.
Hurricane2k9
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lowing wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Just part of the liberal design to remove all responsibility from the individual and assign their behavior/irresponsibility to some sort of syndrome or disease, all requiring govt. aid of course.
Please don't mix science with extremoliberalism
science? ya mean the same science that turned a typical school bully into and kid with ADD, or ADHD in need of mind altering drugs instead of his fuckin ass whipped?? Gimme a break.

Anyway, I gotta go, my wrestless leg syndrome is acting up.
That's a corruption of science. A school bully might have ADD but that sure as hell doesn't make him be a bully, shitty parents who don't teach right and wrong do.

edit: I might have a slight bias because all the psychiatrists I've ever met aren't quacks who see a patient once and then give them meds. They usually see a patient many times before even making a diagnosis, let alone prescribing medication. One of the benefits of living in an area like Bethesda, MD I guess.

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lowing
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Hurricane2k9 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:


Please don't mix science with extremoliberalism
science? ya mean the same science that turned a typical school bully into and kid with ADD, or ADHD in need of mind altering drugs instead of his fuckin ass whipped?? Gimme a break.

Anyway, I gotta go, my wrestless leg syndrome is acting up.
That's a corruption of science. A school bully might have ADD but that sure as hell doesn't make him be a bully, shitty parents who don't teach right and wrong do.

edit: I might have a slight bias because all the psychiatrists I've ever met aren't quacks who see a patient once and then give them meds. They usually see a patient many times before even making a diagnosis, let alone prescribing medication. One of the benefits of living in an area like Bethesda, MD I guess.
ADD or ADHD is the EXCUSE given for shitty behavior and thus medication ( mind altering drugs) is perscribed, you know this to be true.
Hurricane2k9
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Given by shitty doctors yes. As I said, good doctors don't throw drugs at everything. A while back I thought I might have had social anxiety disorder or something. I saw a doctor (who I still see on occasion just to check up, as I do have mild depression and need to take medication for that) and he didn't put me on medications. He told me to simply try hard to break out of my shell and guess what? It worked.

It's sort of like firearms. The problem isn't the guns or medicine, it's poorly trained owners/doctors.

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