Muslims killed in German Courtroom, Part 2

2009-07-09 15:32:29

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Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6698|North Carolina

The first time around, Braddock's thread descended into a feud. I'm attempting to revive this with an actual debate. Please, no flaming.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8141900.stm

Marwa Sheribini was a 32-year-old pregnant mother-of-one originally from Alexandria in Egypt but living in Dresden, she was in court for the appeal hearing of a man known to the media as "Alex W", an immigrant from Russia of German heritage, who had been fined for calling her a terrorist for wearing the traditional hijab. During the proceedings the accused decided to murder Mrs. Sheribini by stabbing her 18 times. Mrs. Sherbini's husband was then reportedly shot by police as he was trying to save his wife and is still in critical condition in hospital.

Braddock wrote:
There are a number of baffling issues in this case:

1. Why did she have to attend his hearing, he had already been found guilty at the previous court-sitting. Her side of the story should have been on record?
2. How was he allowed to get so many stabs in before being stopped by security?
3. How could a police officer mistake a Muslim man (we presume) for a white Russian racist?
4. Why isn't this story more prominent in the news?

I'll add a 5th question...

How could German court security be so shitty?

To me, that's the biggest question... I know we've had some incidents in our courthouses too (like the shootout in Atlanta), but generally speaking, security is pretty tight in most American courthouses. Is this situation indicative of a security problem in German courts overall?...

2009-07-09 15:34:30

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Eagle: Togs8896 is my evil alter ego; +567|6924|New Hampshire, USA

Turquoise wrote:
2. How was he allowed to get so many stabs in before being stopped by security?
3. How could a police officer mistake a Muslim man (we presume) for a white Russian racist?

These really stood out to me when I was reading

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2009-07-09 15:35:40

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usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7055

sadly this is how procedures change. i mean, think of aviation. we improve and learn from crashes.

2009-07-09 15:55:30

#4

mafia996630: © 2009 Jeff Minard; +319|7057|d

A lot of questions unanswered, will there even be some kind of investigation into this matter ?

2009-07-09 16:00:38

#5

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7055

i hate to do this...but why does it matter if she was pregnant? (aimed at pro-choice peeps) its not a living thing. its just goo right?

2009-07-09 16:01:10

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Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6698|North Carolina

True... I was just using the phrasing from Braddock's thread.

2009-07-09 17:05:09

#7

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6822|Global Command

usmarine wrote:
i hate to do this...but why does it matter if she was pregnant? (aimed at pro-choice peeps) its not a living thing. its just goo right?

No, and lame attempt at derail troll bro.

2009-07-09 17:53:45

#8

DeathBecomesYu: Member; +171|6472

I'll answer number 4 again......Michael Jackson. I believe that is the main reason no one heard much about this and about anything really important for that matter.

As far as the rest of the stuff. Call it bad security, complacent attitudes about protection and rules and idiots not ready for this type of scenario. Hopefully someone will learn something and not let this situation happen again. Then again, there is a ton of stupidity in this world and I am sure this will not be the last act of ignorance we will hear or not hear about.

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2009-07-09 18:09:34

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Smithereener: Member; +138|6609|California

usmarine wrote:
i hate to do this...but why does it matter if she was pregnant? (aimed at pro-choice peeps) its not a living thing. its just goo right?

Although this situation is kind of an abortion (in the sickest sense possible imo), how much of an impact it would have on me depends on how far she was into the pregnancy. If it was still in the very early stages, it's still a terrible loss (don't get me wrong) but would normally have not too much of an impact imo. However, if it was very late, that's when I certainly consider it to be too late for an abortion except under extreme circumstances, and would thus have more significant of an impact.

Back on topic though, I think the outrage some pro-choice (can't speak for all of them) might have with her being pregnant and getting murdered is the fact it wasn't her choice. She was carrying a baby and lost it (along with her life) without actually wanting it gone. That's why I'd say its significant that she was pregnant in the first place. Plus, I'd say it's a pretty universal feeling to be disgusted at the fact someone killed someone else that was pregnant on top of that - regardless of your stance on abortion. That's just me though (might be a bit hypocritical I admit)

2009-07-09 18:27:47

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Reciprocity: Member; +721|6874|the dank(super) side of Oregon

good thing this nutjob didn't have a gun. he could have killed someone.

2009-07-09 19:09:36

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FatherTed: xD; +3,936|6793|so randum

Reciprocity wrote:
good thing this nutjob didn't have a gun. he could have killed someone.

ATG wrote:
lame attempt at derail troll bro.

And if you read the story, the polizei shot the other guy. Shot. Implies the policeman ws armed no? And do you even know Germanys firearm laws? ffs

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2009-07-09 19:39:23

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Reciprocity: Member; +721|6874|the dank(super) side of Oregon

FatherTed wrote:
ATG wrote:
lame attempt at derail troll bro.

me? derail this corpse of a thread? me so sorry. and yes, kudos to the well trained police officers for killing everyone.

2009-07-09 20:19:56

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Poseidon: Fudgepack DeQueef; +3,253|6831|Long Island, New York

usmarine wrote:
i hate to do this...but why does it matter if she was pregnant? (aimed at pro-choice peeps) its not a living thing. its just goo right?

She didn't choose to have the baby killed...

2009-07-10 01:25:57

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usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7055

Poseidon wrote:
usmarine wrote:
i hate to do this...but why does it matter if she was pregnant? (aimed at pro-choice peeps) its not a living thing. its just goo right?
She didn't choose to have the baby killed...

its not a baby........ thats my point.

2009-07-10 04:19:33

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Braddock: Agitator; +916|6583|Éire

DeathBecomesYu wrote:
I'll answer number 4 again......Michael Jackson. I believe that is the main reason no one heard much about this and about anything really important for that matter.

That is an entirely plausible reason... but it doesn't make it right. What has happened to us as a society where we can lose focus on truly important social issues in favour of the lives of celebrities we don't even know? Even beyond this case, which only involved one couple, take the example of the Iranian protests which involved thousands... that vanished into thin air when Jacko bit the bullet.

DeathBecomesYu wrote:
As far as the rest of the stuff. Call it bad security, complacent attitudes about protection and rules and idiots not ready for this type of scenario. Hopefully someone will learn something and not let this situation happen again. Then again, there is a ton of stupidity in this world and I am sure this will not be the last act of ignorance we will hear or not hear about.

I worked security in the Irish supreme court for a while and it was complete bullshit. We searched bags on the way in with an X-ray but we never turned on the metal detectors for people walking through the door - you could have got a shotgun into the courtroom as long as it wasn't in your bag! We were taking scissors and nail files off people when they showed up on the bag X-ray but all the time I was thinking "he could have a fucking machete in his jacket".

2009-07-10 04:21:48

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Braddock: Agitator; +916|6583|Éire

usmarine wrote:
i hate to do this...but why does it matter if she was pregnant? (aimed at pro-choice peeps) its not a living thing. its just goo right?

She chose to keep that baby, having it killed by a murderer violates that choice, does it not? How is the pro-choice position in any way compromised by your argument? Choice works both ways you know.

2009-07-10 04:23:27

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usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7055

Braddock wrote:
usmarine wrote:
i hate to do this...but why does it matter if she was pregnant? (aimed at pro-choice peeps) its not a living thing. its just goo right?
She chose to keep that baby, having it killed by a murderer violates that choice, does it not? How is the pro-choice position in any way compromised by your argument? Choice works both ways you know.

usmarine wrote:
Poseidon wrote:
usmarine wrote:
i hate to do this...but why does it matter if she was pregnant? (aimed at pro-choice peeps) its not a living thing. its just goo right?
She didn't choose to have the baby killed...
its not a baby........ thats my point.

2009-07-10 04:25:00

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AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6446|what

usmarine wrote:
Poseidon wrote:
usmarine wrote:
i hate to do this...but why does it matter if she was pregnant? (aimed at pro-choice peeps) its not a living thing. its just goo right?
She didn't choose to have the baby killed...
its not a baby........ thats my point.

Your argument is circular.

"At what point does a foetus become a baby?" can't be answered.

2009-07-10 04:26:47

#19

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7055

its not MY argument. jesus hell do you not read?

2009-07-10 04:30:33

#20

Braddock: Agitator; +916|6583|Éire

@usmarine:

Baby, foetus, whatever... the issue is choice. She didn't want to terminate that pregnancy, the murderer took away that choice. It's quite simple really.

2009-07-10 04:33:15

#21

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7055

ok...

the point is, the media uses it for sensationalism when reporting a story. "baby killed inside womb etc etc"

it shouldnt matter whether she was pregnant or not right? or should it?

2009-07-10 04:39:28

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AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6446|what

usmarine wrote:
ok...

the point is, the media uses it for sensationalism when reporting a story. "baby killed inside womb etc etc"

it shouldnt matter whether she was pregnant or not right? or should it?

Do they, or are they reporting a fact?

Marwa Sheribini was a 32-year-old pregnant mother-of-one originally from Alexandria in Egypt but living in Dresden, she was in court for the appeal hearing of a man known to the media as "Alex W", an immigrant from Russia of German heritage, who had been fined for calling her a terrorist for wearing the traditional hijab.

I guess reporting that she was a mother-of-one is also sensationalism on the part of reporters?

2009-07-10 05:00:14

#23

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7055

yes...its irrelevant to the crime. its just fluff. unnecessary fluff.

2009-07-10 07:10:21

#24

.Sup: be nice; +2,646|6746|The Twilight Zone

How come he wasn't searched for weapons?

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2009-07-10 07:14:26

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Braddock: Agitator; +916|6583|Éire

usmarine wrote:
ok...

the point is, the media uses it for sensationalism when reporting a story. "baby killed inside womb etc etc"

it shouldnt matter whether she was pregnant or not right? or should it?

Why should it not matter? He killed a woman who was carrying a child (or a "ball of goo" to use your turn of phrase), that's more tragic than just killing a woman on her own. It's not really sensationalism, it's part of the story... a fact. Sensationalism for me is when the media latch on to a subjective element within a story for the sole purpose of generating better sales/ratings.

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