Yes he can change my mind, just as soon as he proves to me that Islam is not a religion full of intolerance, violence, and oppression. I will be convinced just as soon as he proves to me the teachings of Islam did not come from a murderer/child molester. The second he proves to me that there is no jihad against the west, I will be change my mind.usmarine wrote:
ya but you are not going to change his mind so why do you try?Braddock wrote:
lowing obviously doesn't get it. This must be the millionth thread about "another inch" being taken by the Muslim community... they must have encroached by a couple of miles at this stage.usmarine wrote:
k we get it cam.
^^This is really the essence of the lowing vs most of the forum ...lowing wrote:
Yes he can change my mind, just as soon as he proves to me that Islam is not a religion full of intolerance, violence, and oppression. I will be convinced just as soon as he proves to me the teachings of Islam did not come from a murderer/child molester. The second he proves to me that there is no jihad against the west, I will be change my mind.usmarine wrote:
ya but you are not going to change his mind so why do you try?Braddock wrote:
lowing obviously doesn't get it. This must be the millionth thread about "another inch" being taken by the Muslim community... they must have encroached by a couple of miles at this stage.
Difference is most of us don't consider ALL of Islam to have a jihad against us, it's just a few radicals ...
Also we don't believe Islam is a religion full of intolerance, violence, and oppression ... it occurs yes but you have just the same in any other mainstream religion ...
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
yeah yeah. i know, you've an "opinion". you formed it when some random dudes ran by screaming "oh, noes, islam is eval, lulz!!one!!eleven1". that was truly eye-opening and enlightened you so you don't even need to read koran to know exactly how it preaches "violence" and "intolerance".lowing wrote:
I notice the quotes...EXACTLY who are you quoting, because it is not me.Shahter wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
Oh yawn, another 'I hate muslims' thread by lowing.
I hate the relgion of Islam, I have NEVER said anything about hating Muslims. If you have to invent something that is not true to make an argument then you lost.
yeah. i've heard all this before. /yawn go on with this thread.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
you speak as if it is some rare occurrence, an anomaly, and not the nations wide practice across Islamic lands.Varegg wrote:
^^This is really the essence of the lowing vs most of the forum ...lowing wrote:
Yes he can change my mind, just as soon as he proves to me that Islam is not a religion full of intolerance, violence, and oppression. I will be convinced just as soon as he proves to me the teachings of Islam did not come from a murderer/child molester. The second he proves to me that there is no jihad against the west, I will be change my mind.usmarine wrote:
ya but you are not going to change his mind so why do you try?
Difference is most of us don't consider ALL of Islam to have a jihad against us, it's just a few radicals ...
Also we don't believe Islam is a religion full of intolerance, violence, and oppression ... it occurs yes but you have just the same in any other mainstream religion ...
appreciate it, I will. Feel free to contribute at some later date.Shahter wrote:
yeah yeah. i know, you've an "opinion". you formed it when some random dudes ran by screaming "oh, noes, islam is eval, lulz!!one!!eleven1". that was truly eye-opening and enlightened you so you don't even need to read koran to know exactly how it preaches "violence" and "intolerance".lowing wrote:
I notice the quotes...EXACTLY who are you quoting, because it is not me.Shahter wrote:
I hate the relgion of Islam, I have NEVER said anything about hating Muslims. If you have to invent something that is not true to make an argument then you lost.
yeah. i've heard all this before. /yawn go on with this thread.
Bingolowing wrote:
you speak as if it is some rare occurrence, an anomaly, and not the nations wide practice across Islamic lands.Varegg wrote:
^^This is really the essence of the lowing vs most of the forum ...lowing wrote:
Yes he can change my mind, just as soon as he proves to me that Islam is not a religion full of intolerance, violence, and oppression. I will be convinced just as soon as he proves to me the teachings of Islam did not come from a murderer/child molester. The second he proves to me that there is no jihad against the west, I will be change my mind.
Difference is most of us don't consider ALL of Islam to have a jihad against us, it's just a few radicals ...
Also we don't believe Islam is a religion full of intolerance, violence, and oppression ... it occurs yes but you have just the same in any other mainstream religion ...
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
Well I am glad you see the light.Varegg wrote:
Bingolowing wrote:
you speak as if it is some rare occurrence, an anomaly, and not the nations wide practice across Islamic lands.Varegg wrote:
^^This is really the essence of the lowing vs most of the forum ...
Difference is most of us don't consider ALL of Islam to have a jihad against us, it's just a few radicals ...
Also we don't believe Islam is a religion full of intolerance, violence, and oppression ... it occurs yes but you have just the same in any other mainstream religion ...
??lowing wrote:
Well I am glad you see the light.Varegg wrote:
Bingolowing wrote:
you speak as if it is some rare occurrence, an anomaly, and not the nations wide practice across Islamic lands.
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
for the love of god, this isn't about you and america bending over and get raped by muhammed, this is about allowing a religion to celebrate one of their holidays
whats wrong with that?
whats wrong with that?
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Rosh Hashanah and Passover...I already told you. Oh, AND Yom Kippur. That's three Jewish holidays we get off for.lowing wrote:
already acknowledged my hypocrisy, and the paradox of the a constitution that endorses freedom of relgion, not considering a relgion that does not hold the same values of morality and tolerance that the constituition provides to us.CameronPoe wrote:
lol. lowing is hilarious. 'Inch by inch'. Fucking fascist that won't respect the enlightened freedom of religion enshrined in his own consitution for completely and utterly irrational reasons. Totally hypocritical too when it comes to religion. No big deal with the Jewish holidays despite the fact the Jewish lobby raids his wallet merrily to prop up a potentially economically untenable nation of Israel, Israeli spies infiltrate US intelligence and Israel attacked the USS Liberty back in 1967. And he has the cheek to complain about welfare cases! It must be confusing being so hypocritical and inconsistent.
I suppose not being allowed to yell fire in a theater goes against free speech as well.
What Jewish holdiays does the govt. recognize and allow us to take off? I can't think of a one.
http://www.threevillagecsd.org/Assets/d … lendar.pdf
Go to page 10. 22 for Passover.
they are already allowed to celebrate it, who is stopping them? There is no reason the NYC public school system have to be involved or forced to observe it.FatherTed wrote:
for the love of god, this isn't about you and america bending over and get raped by muhammed, this is about allowing a religion to celebrate one of their holidays
whats wrong with that?
Checked the govt. Calandar don't seem to find it listed as an offical govt. holiday sorry.Poseidon wrote:
Rosh Hashanah and Passover...I already told you. Oh, AND Yom Kippur. That's three Jewish holidays we get off for.lowing wrote:
already acknowledged my hypocrisy, and the paradox of the a constitution that endorses freedom of relgion, not considering a relgion that does not hold the same values of morality and tolerance that the constituition provides to us.CameronPoe wrote:
lol. lowing is hilarious. 'Inch by inch'. Fucking fascist that won't respect the enlightened freedom of religion enshrined in his own consitution for completely and utterly irrational reasons. Totally hypocritical too when it comes to religion. No big deal with the Jewish holidays despite the fact the Jewish lobby raids his wallet merrily to prop up a potentially economically untenable nation of Israel, Israeli spies infiltrate US intelligence and Israel attacked the USS Liberty back in 1967. And he has the cheek to complain about welfare cases! It must be confusing being so hypocritical and inconsistent.
I suppose not being allowed to yell fire in a theater goes against free speech as well.
What Jewish holdiays does the govt. recognize and allow us to take off? I can't think of a one.
http://www.threevillagecsd.org/Assets/d … lendar.pdf
Go to page 10. 22 for Passover.
Until the Enlightenment period and the Industrial Revolution, Europe was not as culturally advanced as the Ancient Romans. Medieval Europe was actually quite primitive in a social sense compared to the Romans.FEOS wrote:
Rome was pretty socially liberal. Wouldn't you say western society is more evolved than ancient Roman society?Turquoise wrote:
Yep... social conservatism is generally the same thing as backwards. For the most part, a society evolves by becoming more socially liberal.Spark wrote:
Not really, they are just very, very conservative on social issues.
Or are you using conservative and liberal differently than the common colloquial usage of the terms here in the US?
During the Middle Ages, China was actually the most advanced society on the planet. For the most part, they were more socially liberal than Medieval Europe.
Had a feeling you were gonna say that.lowing wrote:
Checked the govt. Calandar don't seem to find it listed as an offical govt. holiday sorry.Poseidon wrote:
Rosh Hashanah and Passover...I already told you. Oh, AND Yom Kippur. That's three Jewish holidays we get off for.lowing wrote:
already acknowledged my hypocrisy, and the paradox of the a constitution that endorses freedom of relgion, not considering a relgion that does not hold the same values of morality and tolerance that the constituition provides to us.
I suppose not being allowed to yell fire in a theater goes against free speech as well.
What Jewish holdiays does the govt. recognize and allow us to take off? I can't think of a one.
http://www.threevillagecsd.org/Assets/d … lendar.pdf
Go to page 10. 22 for Passover.
Now go check that same calendar and tell me if Eid al-Fitr and Eid al-Adha are there.
Your point, as usual, is moot.
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Nope, and I would just as soon keep it that way, appreciate it.Poseidon wrote:
Had a feeling you were gonna say that.lowing wrote:
Checked the govt. Calandar don't seem to find it listed as an offical govt. holiday sorry.Poseidon wrote:
Rosh Hashanah and Passover...I already told you. Oh, AND Yom Kippur. That's three Jewish holidays we get off for.
http://www.threevillagecsd.org/Assets/d … lendar.pdf
Go to page 10. 22 for Passover.
Now go check that same calendar and tell me if Eid al-Fitr and Eid al-Adha are there.
Your point, as usual, is moot.
Public schools shouldn't get any religious holidays off tbh.
I said clearly, that you speak as if Islamic intolerance, and violence is some rare anomaly in the world, it isn't. you seemed to agree and I was glad.Varegg wrote:
??lowing wrote:
Well I am glad you see the light.Varegg wrote:
Bingo
Of course you would, those durn'd mooselems r takin' over!lowing wrote:
Nope, and I would just as soon keep it that way, appreciate it.Poseidon wrote:
Had a feeling you were gonna say that.lowing wrote:
Checked the govt. Calandar don't seem to find it listed as an offical govt. holiday sorry.
Now go check that same calendar and tell me if Eid al-Fitr and Eid al-Adha are there.
Your point, as usual, is moot.
This is the exact type of response I've come to expect from a defeated lowing.
You were hypocritcal in your remark and you choose to selectively apply your so called "ideals". Way to go.
Hell, even usmarine is against you here. That speaks volumes.
I really do not care who is with me or ar against me in my opinions, I am not keeping score.Poseidon wrote:
Of course you would, those durn'd mooselems r takin' over!lowing wrote:
Nope, and I would just as soon keep it that way, appreciate it.Poseidon wrote:
Had a feeling you were gonna say that.
Now go check that same calendar and tell me if Eid al-Fitr and Eid al-Adha are there.
Your point, as usual, is moot.
This is the exact type of response I've come to expect from a defeated lowing.
You were hypocritcal in your remark and you choose to selectively apply your so called "ideals". Way to go.
Hell, even usmarine is against you here. That speaks volumes.
I do not want my society catering to Islam in any way shape or form, period. Is it a paradox, yes, have I admitted my hypocrisy, yes. However, current events dictates my attitude toward Islam and its representatives in this country. CAIR.
One organization represents the views of 2.3 million muslims?lowing wrote:
I really do not care who is with me or ar against me in my opinions, I am not keeping score.Poseidon wrote:
Of course you would, those durn'd mooselems r takin' over!lowing wrote:
Nope, and I would just as soon keep it that way, appreciate it.
This is the exact type of response I've come to expect from a defeated lowing.
You were hypocritcal in your remark and you choose to selectively apply your so called "ideals". Way to go.
Hell, even usmarine is against you here. That speaks volumes.
I do not want my society catering to Islam in any way shape or form, period. Is it a paradox, yes, have I admitted my hypocrisy, yes. However, current events dictates my attitude toward Islam and its representatives in this country. CAIR.
lol, gotcha.
Nope they represent the views ( or so they say) in America, along with their special consideration pursuits.Poseidon wrote:
One organization represents the views of 2.3 million Muslims?lowing wrote:
I really do not care who is with me or against me in my opinions, I am not keeping score.Poseidon wrote:
Of course you would, those durn'd mooselems r takin' over!
This is the exact type of response I've come to expect from a defeated lowing.
You were hypocritcal in your remark and you choose to selectively apply your so called "ideals". Way to go.
Hell, even usmarine is against you here. That speaks volumes.
I do not want my society catering to Islam in any way shape or form, period. Is it a paradox, yes, have I admitted my hypocrisy, yes. However, current events dictates my attitude toward Islam and its representatives in this country. CAIR.
Lil, gotcha.
the actions done in the name of Islam, in entire nations, and in Islamic govts., the WORLD WIDE violence regarding cartoons, and the utter silence by the moderates, along with their hero worship of a murderer and child molester, takes care of the rest.
Oops.lowing wrote:
Nope they represent the views ( or so they say) in America, along with their special consideration pursuits.Poseidon wrote:
One organization represents the views of 2.3 million Muslims?lowing wrote:
I really do not care who is with me or against me in my opinions, I am not keeping score.
I do not want my society catering to Islam in any way shape or form, period. Is it a paradox, yes, have I admitted my hypocrisy, yes. However, current events dictates my attitude toward Islam and its representatives in this country. CAIR.
Lil, gotcha.
the actions done in the name of Islam, in entire nations, and in Islamic govts., the WORLD WIDE violence regarding cartoons, and the utter silence by the moderates, along with their hero worship of a murderer and child molester, takes care of the rest.
If I say I represent all of Australia, does it make it true?
CAIR represents CAIR. No-one elected them the spokesperson of Muslims in Australia.
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A little story. Immediately after 9/11, the local mosque in Canberra organized a memorial service/function - the first of its kind, across any religious denomination. Primary purpose: to show that Muslims were as shocked and horrified by the actions of those terrorists as anyone else.
Journalists were invited and came... and not a single story appeared, anywhere.
The media would rather tear a religion to pieces than talk about its adherents with any degree of moderation. You'll never hear about the moderates, because frankly, they aren't newsworthy.
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But of course, you'll dismiss all this by saying the Muslims weren't "true" adherents to Islam (and you know this how since you've never shown any inclination of contact with a Muslim, or ever studied Islam apart from conservative blogs dedicated to painting it as a work of pure evil?), and that Muslims =/= Islam. An entirely false distinction, but whatever. Convenient, it allows you to debase a religion and absolves you from ever talking to its adherents and bringing up your concerns with them.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
My concerns are their actions solely, it was not terrorists that turned violent regarding cartoons it was your average believer in Islam. It is sharia law that governs Islam, and that pretty much speaks for itself.Spark wrote:
Oops.lowing wrote:
Nope they represent the views ( or so they say) in America, along with their special consideration pursuits.Poseidon wrote:
One organization represents the views of 2.3 million Muslims?
Lil, gotcha.
the actions done in the name of Islam, in entire nations, and in Islamic govts., the WORLD WIDE violence regarding cartoons, and the utter silence by the moderates, along with their hero worship of a murderer and child molester, takes care of the rest.
If I say I represent all of Australia, does it make it true?
CAIR represents CAIR. No-one elected them the spokesperson of Muslims in Australia.
---
A little story. Immediately after 9/11, the local mosque in Canberra organized a memorial service/function - the first of its kind, across any religious denomination. Primary purpose: to show that Muslims were as shocked and horrified by the actions of those terrorists as anyone else.
Journalists were invited and came... and not a single story appeared, anywhere.
The media would rather tear a religion to pieces than talk about its adherents with any degree of moderation. You'll never hear about the moderates, because frankly, they aren't newsworthy.
---
But of course, you'll dismiss all this by saying the Muslims weren't "true" adherents to Islam (and you know this how since you've never shown any inclination of contact with a Muslim, or ever studied Islam apart from conservative blogs dedicated to painting it as a work of pure evil?), and that Muslims =/= Islam. An entirely false distinction, but whatever. Convenient, it allows you to debase a religion and absolves you from ever talking to its adherents and bringing up your concerns with them.
Also there is plenty of Muslims out there that show Islam for what it is, why do you not believe them?
But it is some rare anomaly ... and that was what I said bingo toolowing wrote:
I said clearly, that you speak as if Islamic intolerance, and violence is some rare anomaly in the world, it isn't. you seemed to agree and I was glad.Varegg wrote:
??lowing wrote:
Well I am glad you see the light.
And Sharia law is not the general guidelines in Islam, very few apply and live by those laws ...
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
Poseidon wrote:
Hell, even usmarine is against you here. That speaks volumes.