Gitmo Detainees, Even if Acquitted, Might Not Go Free

2009-07-07 22:24:14

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Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5879

The Obama administration said Tuesday it could continue to imprison non-U.S. citizens indefinitely even if they have been acquitted of terrorism charges by a U.S. military commission.

Jeh Johnson, the Defense Department's chief lawyer, told the Senate Armed Services Committee that releasing a detainee who has been tried and found not guilty was a policy decision that officials would make based on their estimate of whether the prisoner posed a future threat.

Like the Bush administration, the Obama administration argues that the legal basis for indefinite detention of aliens it considers dangerous is separate from war-crimes prosecutions. Officials say that the laws of war allow indefinite detention to prevent aliens from committing warlike acts in future, while prosecution by military commission aims to punish them for war crimes committed in the past.

Mr. Johnson said such prisoners held without trial would receive "some form of periodic review" that could lead to their release.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1246996 … lenews_wsj
What a waste of time and money if the trails don't matter since we'll keep them anyway.

2009-07-08 02:27:58

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Flecco: iPod is broken.; +1,048|6958|NT, like Mick Dundee

Change you can believe in.

Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.

2009-07-08 04:02:12

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FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6704|'Murka

Or maybe--just maybe--the original policy wasn't driven by baby-eating evil oligarchs. Maybe--just maybe--they looked at the overall situation, analyzed alternatives, and realized this was the least bad of the options available.

And maybe--just maybe--the Obama Administration did the same thing and said, "Damn. They were right."

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2009-07-08 04:21:40

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Flecco: iPod is broken.; +1,048|6958|NT, like Mick Dundee

Shooting in the field actually would be much cheaper and cleaner politically.

Just remember when a soldier gets caught doing it to kill the him and deny any existence of such a thing as policy. Spoiler (highlight to read):
Morant.

Last edited by Flecco (2009-07-08 04:25:10)

Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.

2009-07-08 17:30:30

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Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6698|North Carolina

FEOS wrote:
Or maybe--just maybe--the original policy wasn't driven by baby-eating evil oligarchs. Maybe--just maybe--they looked at the overall situation, analyzed alternatives, and realized this was the least bad of the options available.

And maybe--just maybe--the Obama Administration did the same thing and said, "Damn. They were right."

The original policy was driven by incompetent morons.

The continuing policy is driven by spineless opportunists.

2009-07-09 03:32:42

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FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6704|'Murka

Turquoise wrote:
FEOS wrote:
Or maybe--just maybe--the original policy wasn't driven by baby-eating evil oligarchs. Maybe--just maybe--they looked at the overall situation, analyzed alternatives, and realized this was the least bad of the options available.

And maybe--just maybe--the Obama Administration did the same thing and said, "Damn. They were right."
The original policy was driven by incompetent morons.

The continuing policy is driven by spineless opportunists.

Or maybe they have more info than you do.

Both are equally possible.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2009-07-09 05:48:56

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Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,817|6399|eXtreme to the maX

FEOS wrote:
Or maybe they have more info than you do.

Then they need to have it stand up in court.

Fuck Israel

2009-07-09 05:50:43

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FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6704|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:
FEOS wrote:
Or maybe they have more info than you do.
Then they need to have it stand up in court.

No. They don't. Unless they plan to keep these detainees after we're done with AQ. Then they have to have trials or release them back to their home countries.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2009-07-09 05:54:58

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Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,817|6399|eXtreme to the maX

'We' are never going to be 'done' with AQ.
Its not as if they will ever sign an armistice, just don't see any point in keeping them.

If it can't be proven they've actually done something they should be released.

Fuck Israel

2009-07-09 05:55:55

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FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6704|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:
'We' are never going to be 'done' with AQ.
Its not as if they will ever sign an armistice, just don't see any point in keeping them.

If it can't be proven they've actually done something they should be released.

We'll be done enough at some point. That's when those knuckleheads are required to be released or tried under international law.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2009-07-09 06:01:41

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Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,817|6399|eXtreme to the maX

We'll be done enough at some point.

Doubt it, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Indonesia etc are likely to continue for a while yet.

Fuck Israel

2009-07-10 03:50:48

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FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6704|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:
We'll be done enough at some point.
Doubt it, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Indonesia etc are likely to continue for a while yet.

That's why I said "at some point".

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

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