BF2S Forums Marijuana is harmful

As mentioned I have smoked it for about 17 years, 15+ of those was smoking 'solids' (hash, mirror bar') and the other 2 Skunk.

Before I try and explain my thoughts and describe my health both physically, has anyone else 'been on it' for that long and is as old or older than me?  They might be able to say 'same here' and relate to what I say.

Dilbert_X wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

Heroin use spreads HIV, and creates crime because you get junkies stealing in order to afford their fix. This isn't something that happens with pot or alcohol.

I've seen plenty of robberies to fuel alcoholism.

RESPONSIBLE use is only a problem for the user, doesn't spread HIV or create crime.
Pretty sure Keith Richards hasn't committed any crimes to get his fixes.

Ok, so you can name one heroin addict who is rich enough to be able to afford to buy his own heroin without resorting to theft. Great. Responsible heroin use is, with the exception of Mr.Richards, non existent. I have to ask though, why do you hate pot use so much so as to make the insane comparison between the two?

Pubic wrote:

Justifying the status quo on the grounds of "Societal inacceptance" is a circular argument

I'm not trying to justify it, just stating the situation.
By rights alcohol and marijuana would both be banned, if they were both 'discovered' tomorrow they would be.

Pubic wrote:

The implication is that it is easy to use it responsibly.  Incidently, the portugese experience would suggest that liberlising laws concerning "all drugs" has nothing but positive effects - both directly (less drug abuse) and indirectly (fewer new HIV infections, less drug-related crime).  What do you say to that?

It would be worth studying, decriminilisation in certain situations is not a problem for me.
Encouraging kids to think using drugs in large quantities can't be a good thing though, given the known links to medical problems.
There has to be a balance somewhere, not sure total decriminalisation is it.

Ghettoperson wrote:

Responsible heroin use is, with the exception of Mr.Richards, non existent. I have to ask though, why do you hate pot use so much so as to make the insane comparison between the two?

Before heroin was criminalised, when it was as cheap as sugar, there were plenty of 'responsible' heroin users who destroyed themselves and didn't bother anyone as they did so.
Now your only argument relates to price and availability of clean needles, neither of which would be problems if it were decriminalised.

nukchebiO wrote:

Richards committed a crime to get his fix. He had to acquire heroin somehow, which is itself illegal

As does every dope smoker - acquiring, possessing, using. Don't see your point.

I don't care if people want to drink/smoke/snort/inject themselves stupid, providing they don't try to say its safe, healthy or a net benefit to society.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2009-07-08 04:59:51)

JahManRed wrote:

1927 wrote:

As mentioned I have smoked it for about 17 years, 15+ of those was smoking 'solids' (hash, mirror bar') and the other 2 Skunk.

Before I try and explain my thoughts and describe my health both physically, has anyone else 'been on it' for that long and is as old or older than me?  They might be able to say 'same here' and relate to what I say.

Me. I have been smoking since 16, I'm now 32, so half my life. Hasn't held me back in the slightest. The important rule I have is that I don't smoke until I am absolutely sure I have done everything that I need to do that day. Then I smoke, usually late at night. If I have visitors coming I don't smoke.

Ok thanks:

We are same age and been smoking for about the same.  I don't feel I have been held back in anyway, I don't care who knows I smoke but I don't advertise it.  I'm probably more shamed more often if people find out I smoke fags never mind spliffs.  I'm not anymore paranoid to the next person and while I have debts its due to the ex mrs not the weed.  I now smoke twice a week usually and don't miss it when I don't.  I could still function as per normal if I didnt smoke on the two nights that I do.

It used to be in control of me but that isn't the case now, I used to think 'How the fuck am I going to get to sleep?' if I didnt have any, but I did, and the next night and so on.  I was addicted, it is addictive, but that was also the case with BF2.  If I can't get it I'm still 1927, I don't turn into some raged monster who's on one.  I don't think it is a social drug as people suggest as it makes you go 'down' rather than 'up' in the way that coke does (eg).

I will also wait until night to smoke, but I also know If I had to mow the lawn for eg, I could smoke one and mow the lawn.  It dosen't make me drive like a tit, but nowadays I wont smoke before driving as my life is differn't now.  I also know smoking a spliff dosen't take your worries away.

I still play sport very competative and if anything its my age and belly thats slowing me down but I can still run rings round most my team/s.  I do get dizzy spells from time to time and just recently have what can only be described as a 'fluttering' in my ears but this is probably the start of Tinnitus as my ol man has it and I did fuck my ears up in my younger days with loud music a bit.  The dizzy bits/dodgy vision can be down to my eye sight, but I cant rule out the fact I smoke spliffs and fags.

When Mollie wants to smoke it I will let her under my supervision and my control until I see she gives it the respect it deserves.  If you ground a child they will climb down the drain pipe to get out, lets not get fooled here.  This dosent make me the worlds worst Dad but if you say don't they often do it anyway.

Jah - can you relate to any of this?

Dilbert_X wrote:

The argument doesn't hold up.

Heroin used responsibly only affects the user.
And heroin is a flower, so how could it be bad?

Heroin is not a flower. Poppies are a flower, but making Heroin from poppies is still quite a task. That point could be applied to opium, which you do obtain directly fromt he poppies with very little processing, but not to Heroin. Of course Heroin isn't very bad if used responsibly either - similar level of risk to alcohol, but more immediate addictivity. So the point still stands.

Obviously, as a lot of people seem to dispute, there is a lot of moderately responsible Heroin use going on. There are a good number of people who hold down good jobs and lead normal lives, that also have Heroin habits.

Personally, I agree that responsible drug use does only affect the user and I would apply that argument towards the decriminalisation of all drugs. But, if you were to draw a line somewhere it would need to be with the level of potential risk. It is hard to claim that smoking weed has the same potential risks as shooting up Heroin. You can't OD on weed for a start, there are no needles involved and so sharing them is not an issue, there is no real risk of contamination (brick dust and suchlike in Heroin is a big cause of death).

Decriminalising drugs would have two major effects. One negative, one positive. The first would be to (even if the government line were explicitly contradictory to this) create a degree of social acceptability and impression that such drugs are less harmful. The second would be to eliminate the black market for drugs and slash drug related crime to a fraction of its present levels. I believe that the potential benefits outweigh the potential disadvantages. The fact is that society at large is likely to benefit, yet you may find that more people end up addicted to drugs and so it would really come down to a greater level of personal responsibility.

Pubic wrote:

Pug wrote:

It wasn't MJ use that costed him the sponsors?

So like the sponsors decided to end his sponsorship because he won too many medals in Bejing?

I think you may have mistyped or something.


My opinion is that was a very expensive bong hit for Phelps.

I mistyped nothing.  Why you've suggested his sponsors would dislike him winning lots of medals is beyond me.

Here's the phrase:

It wasn't MJ use which caused him to lose sponsorship, it was the sponsors.

The sponsors cause him to lose his sponsorship?   Please explain.

JahManRed wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Decriminalising drugs would have two major effects. One negative, one positive. The first would be to (even if the government line were explicitly contradictory to this) create a degree of social acceptability and impression that such drugs are less harmful. The second would be to eliminate the black market for drugs and slash drug related crime to a fraction of its present levels. I believe that the potential benefits outweigh the potential disadvantages. The fact is that society at large is likely to benefit, yet you may find that more people end up addicted to drugs and so it would really come down to a greater level of personal responsibility.

Drugs, particularly weed are the norm for kids these days. I can buy my weed as easily as going to the shops for a packet of fags. If it was legalised they could at least package the weed with warnings on it and make a minimum age.

Indeed they could. It is quite plausible that legalisation would make such drugs less widely available to children by slashing the black market demand for drugs.

It would also bring in vast amounts of tax revenue and probably cut police spending. But it would sent a message that this sort of thing was condoned by the government which would create the impression drugs aren't that bad, which would lead to more people taking them - but like I said before, that is an issue of personal responsibility and I reckon society at large would benefit from the legalisation of drugs.

1927 wrote:

Ok thanks:

We are same age and been smoking for about the same.  I don't feel I have been held back in anyway, I don't care who knows I smoke but I don't advertise it.  I'm probably more shamed more often if people find out I smoke fags never mind spliffs.  I'm not anymore paranoid to the next person and while I have debts its due to the ex mrs not the weed.  I now smoke twice a week usually and don't miss it when I don't.  I could still function as per normal if I didnt smoke on the two nights that I do.

It used to be in control of me but that isn't the case now, I used to think 'How the fuck am I going to get to sleep?' if I didnt have any, but I did, and the next night and so on.  I was addicted, it is addictive, but that was also the case with BF2.  If I can't get it I'm still 1927, I don't turn into some raged monster who's on one.  I don't think it is a social drug as people suggest as it makes you go 'down' rather than 'up' in the way that coke does (eg).

I will also wait until night to smoke, but I also know If I had to mow the lawn for eg, I could smoke one and mow the lawn.  It dosen't make me drive like a tit, but nowadays I wont smoke before driving as my life is differn't now.  I also know smoking a spliff dosen't take your worries away.

I still play sport very competative and if anything its my age and belly thats slowing me down but I can still run rings round most my team/s.  I do get dizzy spells from time to time and just recently have what can only be described as a 'fluttering' in my ears but this is probably the start of Tinnitus as my ol man has it and I did fuck my ears up in my younger days with loud music a bit.  The dizzy bits/dodgy vision can be down to my eye sight, but I cant rule out the fact I smoke spliffs and fags.

When Mollie wants to smoke it I will let her under my supervision and my control until I see she gives it the respect it deserves.  If you ground a child they will climb down the drain pipe to get out, lets not get fooled here.  This dosent make me the worlds worst Dad but if you say don't they often do it anyway.

Jah - can you relate to any of this?

Yeah. I used to not care who knew I smoked. Now I have a business in a small town, if people knew I smoked it would hurt my business badly.
I went through the addictive stage. Thinking I needed to smoke. This is a dangerous period. I was big and smart enough to get over that in my own head. Allot of kids don't. Really what it comes down to is escapism. Kids are so board that they feel they need to constantly alter their state of mind.
I think I went through a period of 4 years where a day didn't pass without a smoke. In saying that, my education then work always came first and I never let it inhibit me socially. I wouldn't smoke if I was going out, I won't smoke if I am getting visitors, even if they are smokers. Sure ill have a smoke with them when they get to my house, but not before. Want to be in the same state of mind as them.
I used to be a keen Hurler and was good at it. It was the booze that killed off my love of playing sports. Because me and a couple of my mates were destined for great things as far our club thought we would get abuse from failed alco sports men when we would go to the pub. "you shouldn't be drinking, you have a match in 3 days" etc. After years of that I quit.

If my son wants to smoke, ill let him, although I will keep a close eye on him and explain the pit falls involved and how easy it is to fall into them.

Basically it all comes down to personal responsibility. It can be abused and it can be harmful. Although just about everything that is fun is. If it was legalised, their would be more room for education and the stigma of smoking illegal drugs would disappear. Parents should understand that their is a very high chance their kids are going to try it and they should prepare them for it, not just shout "NO" at them. It should be treated like booze and sex and your kids should be talked to about it.

If I found out someone was pushing hard drugs on my kids I would take a power drill to their kneecaps, as is the tradition in these parts.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Drugs, particularly weed are the norm for kids these days. I can buy my weed as easily as going to the shops for a packet of fags. If it was legalised they could at least package the weed with warnings on it and make a minimum age.

Not sure that putting a sticker on the packet would make the slightest difference.

Well every time I lift my fags to take one out I see those pictures of people with cancer growing around their neck it does make me think. Don't know if you get that where you are, but its prity effective.
This one is on my fag packet today:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Well every time I lift my fags to take one out I see those pictures of people with cancer growing around their neck it does make me think. Don't know if you get that where you are, but its prity effective.

Doesn't seem very effective if you're still smoking.

i was off them for two weeks recently. Planning to go off them when the stress levels with work aren't so high. So it has had an effect.

ghettoperson wrote:

It's true, living in Amsterdam I can say that it's much harder for underage kids (<18) to get pot, because unless your hair is going grey you pretty much get asked for ID the second you walk in.

Sounds good to me.

Dilbert_X wrote:

As does every dope smoker - acquiring, possessing, using. Don't see your point.

You said that Keith Richards didn't commit any crimes to get his fix. I pointed out that was wrong. That was my point. It wasn't intended for anything more than that.

Last edited by nukchebi0 (2009-07-09 03:37:41)