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LividBovine wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

LividBovine wrote:

You are making the assumption that these social programs are a net gain on a wage earning population.  That is the crux of the argument.  I believe these social programs teach people to be dependent on said programs.  Therefore, in a normal conservative mind, your argument is false.

But logically, it doesn't make sense to restrict the ability to limit births of the unwanted if one desires less spending on social programs.

If you take the route of limiting abortion more without relevant increases in funding for things like orphanages and adoption programs, you overburden the existing systems as a result of more births dependent on said institutions.

Regardless of how you feel toward welfare, less options for abortion equal more births.  More births equal more kids in orphanages.

So again, there would appear to be a logical gap between the desire for smaller government and the desire to limit abortion.

I have not, in any way, said to remove all social programs, and I have not said that there are not people that need some assistance.  I just want more control over who get that assistance.  My biggest beef, for now anyways, is the size of the federal government.  If we restore more power to the states, where it should be, we could vote more effectively for the programs we want to have as a population.  I do not feel we, as a population, are represented very well.  There is far to great a disconnect from the politicians in Washington.  Another idea I like is term limits.  Politicians are far too comfortable, and do not have to live with the consequences of their laws very often.

LividBovine wrote:

I like the size of the country.  Size is might in this case.  I think having to many levels is a detriment as well. 

So If we split into several smaller parts, would we still have on central government linking them or would they become seperate countries?

Kmarion wrote:

LividBovine wrote:

I like the size of the country.  Size is might in this case.  I think having to many levels is a detriment as well. 

So If we split into several smaller parts, would we still have on central government linking them or would they become seperate countries?

Common defense and preservation of basic civil liberties. That's about as far as it should go federally. That doesn't mean that the states can't work together with things like mutual recognition.

Kmarion wrote:

LividBovine wrote:

I like the size of the country.  Size is might in this case.  I think having to many levels is a detriment as well. 

So If we split into several smaller parts, would we still have on central government linking them or would they become seperate countries?

Common defense and preservation of basic civil liberties. That's about as far as it should go federally. That doesn't mean that the states can't work together with things like mutual recognition.

Kmarion wrote:

LividBovine wrote:

Naw, he has a weak spine.

Prove it.

Last edited by LividBovine (2009-07-01 19:20:40)

LividBovine wrote:

Lets just start by getting the states their due power and castrate the fed.  If we get that accomplished, lets see if we need any changes then.

Kmarion wrote:

LividBovine wrote:

Naw, he has a weak spine.

Prove it.

Go lift a 50 pound box and take a picture.

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Common defense and preservation of basic civil liberties. That's about as far as it should go federally. That doesn't mean that the states can't work together with things like mutual recognition.

Common defense is still possible with multiple countries.  It just means that it's harder to commit to an invasion with all of the current U.S. involved.  Personally, I like that.

It would be like an EU based in North America, except that it would be moving toward decentralization rather than consolidation.

Yes it is possible. It's called an ally. But building said military is much easier when states are pooling together. A single governing consensus amongst individually represented states is important.