Cant argue with that... Hope Europe never has to worry about it?mikkel wrote:
The people of most of Europe don't have weapons either. I guess dictatorships are just around the corner, huh?
Well, the EU is moving in an Orwellian direction. There's no doubt about that....mikkel wrote:
The people of most of Europe don't have weapons either. I guess dictatorships are just around the corner, huh?
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Point?DrunkFace wrote:
Yep without guns you just can't do jack shit can you...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutions_of_1989.
5 countries were able to overthrow their government peacefully without the use of guns.ATG wrote:
Point?DrunkFace wrote:
Yep without guns you just can't do jack shit can you...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutions_of_1989.
lol, yeah, when the shit goes down i'll be ready to take on the FEMA/U.N. forces with my guns.[TUF]Catbox wrote:
With the impending clamp down on the opposition supporters... They will be sitting ducks.
Glad we have the right to own guns here...
Soviet Union was on the brink of Economic collapse.DrunkFace wrote:
5 countries were able to overthrow their government peacefully without the use of guns.ATG wrote:
Point?DrunkFace wrote:
Yep without guns you just can't do jack shit can you...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutions_of_1989.
Iran has experienced more domestic political upheaval in the last century than most modern countries.Cybargs wrote:
Soviet Union was on the brink of Economic collapse.DrunkFace wrote:
5 countries were able to overthrow their government peacefully without the use of guns.ATG wrote:
Point?
Most revolutions occur due to economic variables, however in Iran, their economy is not exactly in the shitter.
Obviously Iran doesn't. For a proper revolution to succeed, you need the military to turn against the politicians. You need to be the ones with more guns on your side.Flecco wrote:
Iran has experienced more domestic political upheaval in the last century than most modern countries.Cybargs wrote:
Soviet Union was on the brink of Economic collapse.DrunkFace wrote:
5 countries were able to overthrow their government peacefully without the use of guns.
Most revolutions occur due to economic variables, however in Iran, their economy is not exactly in the shitter.
They are quite capable of disposing of governments they don't like, even foreign-power backed dictators.
If Iran truly wishes to ditch the current system, the people will get it done.
No.Flecco wrote:
Sure. Cause Ghandi was packing.
Gandhi wrote:
Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest.
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No, they had ruthless secret police organisations and suchlike. Ceauşescu was a most unpleasant character. The StB were pretty screwed up and yet the revolution in Czechoslovakia was non-violent.ATG wrote:
Did those countries have morality police and hang people for being gay?
Did they have stoning executions?
The Soviets helped cause the Islamic Revolution in Iran. We did not properly protect our interests there, and the Shah himself was a rather ineffective leader.Flecco wrote:
Iran has experienced more domestic political upheaval in the last century than most modern countries.Cybargs wrote:
Soviet Union was on the brink of Economic collapse.DrunkFace wrote:
5 countries were able to overthrow their government peacefully without the use of guns.
Most revolutions occur due to economic variables, however in Iran, their economy is not exactly in the shitter.
They are quite capable of disposing of governments they don't like, even foreign-power backed dictators.
If Iran truly wishes to ditch the current system, the people will get it done.
One of the only reasons Gandhi won was because the British Empire was a rather liberal one at that point. There was already some domestic pressure for Britain to move away from its imperial past, and the cost of maintaining this empire was proving to be a major burden for their economy.Flecco wrote:
Sure. Cause Ghandi was packing.
Those sorts of things have a habit of going horribly wrong.....Turquoise wrote:
The Soviets helped cause the Islamic Revolution in Iran. We did not properly protect our interests there, and the Shah himself was a rather ineffective leader.Flecco wrote:
Iran has experienced more domestic political upheaval in the last century than most modern countries.Cybargs wrote:
Soviet Union was on the brink of Economic collapse.
Most revolutions occur due to economic variables, however in Iran, their economy is not exactly in the shitter.
They are quite capable of disposing of governments they don't like, even foreign-power backed dictators.
If Iran truly wishes to ditch the current system, the people will get it done.
The Soviets funneled both arms and propaganda into Iran to eventually succeed in having a government more along their interests in power.
I don't see why we shouldn't aim for the same.
Yep...in Iran people aren't starving and the military is firmly in control by the religious rulers. The crackdown will be bloody.Cybargs wrote:
Soviet Union was on the brink of Economic collapse.
Most revolutions occur due to economic variables, however in Iran, their economy is not exactly in the shitter.
Most of the revolutions of '89 were not in the Soviet Union.Harmor wrote:
Yep...in Iran people aren't starving and the military is firmly in control by the religious rulers. The crackdown will be bloody.Cybargs wrote:
Soviet Union was on the brink of Economic collapse.
Most revolutions occur due to economic variables, however in Iran, their economy is not exactly in the shitter.
There's no doubt that we should pick our allies more carefully. What we did against the Soviets in Afghanistan was pretty fucked up too.Bertster7 wrote:
Those sorts of things have a habit of going horribly wrong.....Turquoise wrote:
The Soviets helped cause the Islamic Revolution in Iran. We did not properly protect our interests there, and the Shah himself was a rather ineffective leader.Flecco wrote:
Iran has experienced more domestic political upheaval in the last century than most modern countries.
They are quite capable of disposing of governments they don't like, even foreign-power backed dictators.
If Iran truly wishes to ditch the current system, the people will get it done.
The Soviets funneled both arms and propaganda into Iran to eventually succeed in having a government more along their interests in power.
I don't see why we shouldn't aim for the same.
There was this guy Saddam Hussein, remember him? The West gave him similar things. Didn't turn out too well.