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#2 What is with the picture of President Regan? Is that supposed to fan my outrage.
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oic, you are stoned. Thus why you think the US is ruled by the president when 70% of the power is in Congress.ATG wrote:
The republicans had the power for the 8 years leading up to the crash and yes, I blame them mostly. The evidence was the silence about all the key issues that caused the crash.
People need a single face to explain everything. Even though there are 535 other people controlling the check book.Lotta_Drool wrote:
oic, you are stoned. Thus why you think the US is ruled by the president when 70% of the power is in Congress.ATG wrote:
The republicans had the power for the 8 years leading up to the crash and yes, I blame them mostly. The evidence was the silence about all the key issues that caused the crash.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEJL2Uuv-oQ
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I dispute this but can't be arsed to find a graphLotta_Drool wrote:
#1 for the past 50 year the Democrats have controlled the house and senate pretty much all the time. (u know, the white building that laws are made in)
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#2 What is with the picture of President Regan? Is that supposed to fan my outrage.
Sorry Spit, but you been sold a bill of goods.Lotta_Drool wrote:
#3 I saw the economy Regan inherited and remember the ass hats in both houses.
As much as I despise Carter, it really started with the 1973 Arab oil embargo. And before that, 1967 Nixon finally severed the Federal Reserve "bank NOTE" from silver, setting the stage for unlimited inflation. 73 was the first recession California had ever seen. Compare the Carter years to the Reagan years; http://www.economagic.com/em-cgi/data.exe/fedstl/unrate
I am simply trying to be pragmatic about what is going on. We the people get all ra ra about another Bush coming to our rescue at our own peril.Lotta_Drool wrote:
#4 Not to say the Republicans aren't corrupt, but it is kinda like placing all the blame on the driver vs the guy hanging out the window with the uzi during the drive-by shooting.
I have always been a conservative.
Obama may or may not be the anti-christ but ffs man see the recent republican administrations for what they have been.
I just kissed one goodnight. :Lotta_Drool wrote:
#5 YOU ARE A KALIFORNIAN, SHOULDN'T YOU BE HUGGING MEXICANS OR SOMETHING?
I don't think Reagan was ever reallly championed for his economics. I hate to break it to my conservative brethren but he was a deficit spender as well. I admire his foreign policy approach more than anything he did domestically..
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The only thing I think Reagan deserves credit for is making Mericans feel a little more secure, by rebuilding the military ( with borrowed money ).
We felt weak and humbled when the Iranians held our people prisoner for over a year, I'll say that much.
Aside from that, seems like that was the era of life sentences for selling pot.
Oh yes, I almost forgot; amnesty for illegals. That was another of his big achievements.
We felt weak and humbled when the Iranians held our people prisoner for over a year, I'll say that much.
Aside from that, seems like that was the era of life sentences for selling pot.
Oh yes, I almost forgot; amnesty for illegals. That was another of his big achievements.
Nor should he be. Reaganomics were terrible for the country. The ideals might have been worth while, but the way he went about it was abhorrent.Kmarion wrote:
I don't think Reagan was ever reallly championed for his economics.
As ATG said,
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He slashed funding for domestic programs that assisted the working class (especially the poor), declined the wages for the average worker, and caused the homeownership rate to fall. Subsequently, the economic growth that came from his two terms in office only benefited those already well-off in society.
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A fact everyone seems to have forgotten.Obama has not had time to ruin the country and I'm not saying he won't but Republicans refusal to see their own heads up their own asses equals zero credibility.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
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~ Richard Feynman
Reagan did not have a precedent for amnesty, nor were the numbers anywhere near what they are today. Now we know. Of course if we enforced the laws in the first place we wouldn't be having this convo now. The very same day Reagan took office the Iranians released our prisoners. Perhaps they knew the days of Carter pussyfooting were over? I'm not sure what you are getting at. He was respected by the people that were supposed to hate him. As the soviet union crumbled he held a series of summit meetings, then to arms limitation treaties, and ultimately to the end of the Cold War. He deserves some credit. Of course I know some people will refuse anything that puts any positive light on him.ATG wrote:
The only thing I think Reagan deserves credit for is making Mericans feel a little more secure, by rebuilding the military ( with borrowed money ).
We felt weak and humbled when the Iranians held our people prisoner for over a year, I'll say that much.
Aside from that, seems like that was the era of life sentences for selling pot.
Oh yes, I almost forgot; amnesty for illegals. That was another of his big achievements.
Aussie, Reaganomic was never meant to be sustainable. The idea was to promote business and get us out of the shit hole Carter buried us in, and then shift. We failed to shift.
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And that, my friend is one reason why I believe that that whole thing may have been one big charade.Kmarion wrote:
The very same day Reagan took office the Iranians released our prisoners. .
At the least, it was a backroom deal. At the extreme, the assholes in Washington may be or have been in bed with the assholes in Iran.
Did we not supply them weapons?
There were certainly a lot of weapons in the country with made-in-the-usa stamps on them (probably not, but you get the picture)
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
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The people that took the hostages were very passionate. You give the government too much credit. It was pretty obvious Carter was a one termer. While very entertaining, pulling something like that off and guaranteeing their release on a specific date is unlikely.ATG wrote:
And that, my friend is one reason why I believe that that whole thing may have been one big charade.Kmarion wrote:
The very same day Reagan took office the Iranians released our prisoners. .
At the least, it was a backroom deal. At the extreme, the assholes in Washington may be or have been in bed with the assholes in Iran.
Did we not supply them weapons?
If the government was really that clever and competent (which of course they are not), they'd be smart enough to time the release in a way that wasn't so suspect.
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Unless they are in cahoots and the uncertainty and paranoia by such a questionable time frame feed their nefarious agenda.Kmarion wrote:
The people that took the hostages were very passionate. You give the government too much credit. It was pretty obvious Carter was a one termer. While very entertaining, pulling something like that off and guaranteeing their release on a specific date is unlikely.ATG wrote:
And that, my friend is one reason why I believe that that whole thing may have been one big charade.Kmarion wrote:
The very same day Reagan took office the Iranians released our prisoners. .
At the least, it was a backroom deal. At the extreme, the assholes in Washington may be or have been in bed with the assholes in Iran.
Did we not supply them weapons?
If the government was really that clever and competent (which of course they are not), they'd be smart enough to time the release in a way that wasn't so suspect.
from what i've read, they released the hostages when they did just to spite carter.ATG wrote:
And that, my friend is one reason why I believe that that whole thing may have been one big charade.Kmarion wrote:
The very same day Reagan took office the Iranians released our prisoners. .
At the least, it was a backroom deal. At the extreme, the assholes in Washington may be or have been in bed with the assholes in Iran.
Did we not supply them weapons?
If you're smart enough to successfully plot something like that, you're smart enough to cover your tracks *better than that.ATG wrote:
Unless the are in cahoots and the uncertainty and paranoia by such a questionable time frame feed their nefarious agenda.Kmarion wrote:
The people that took the hostages were very passionate. You give the government too much credit. It was pretty obvious Carter was a one termer. While very entertaining, pulling something like that off and guaranteeing their release on a specific date is unlikely.ATG wrote:
And that, my friend is one reason why I believe that that whole thing may have been one big charade.
At the least, it was a backroom deal. At the extreme, the assholes in Washington may be or have been in bed with the assholes in Iran.
Did we not supply them weapons?
If the government was really that clever and competent (which of course they are not), they'd be smart enough to time the release in a way that wasn't so suspect.
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Unless the conspiracy requires that people live in fear of conspiracies and as such a little subterfuge, so that the powers that be can increase their powers.
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Unless the conspiracy requires that people live in fear of conspiracies and as such a little subterfuge, so that the powers that be can increase their powers.
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I can go around ad nauseum.
I see wheels within wheels, in a spiral array; a pattern so grand and complex.
I see wheels within wheels, in a spiral array; a pattern so grand and complex.
fires within fires
And they did take the country into a pointless and expensive war, a neat way of forcing huge borrowing of cash to funnel to their buddies without a lot of oversight - you're with us or against us remember?ATG wrote:
The republicans had the power for the 8 years leading up to the crash and yes, I blame them mostly.
Fuck Israel
Suddenly, Daniel Day-Lewis!Reciprocity wrote:
fires within fires
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
[sarcasm]I suggest shooting them or something.[/sarcasm]ATG wrote:
would the assholes who ran GM into the ground have ditched their jets without government intervention?
would the thousands of doctors who do nothing but write bogus prescriptions for drug addicts stop what they are doing without a government oversight?
would the banking industry stop being criminals charging syndicate interest rates and twisted contracts without the threat of government interferring in their racket?
It does seem unlikely they would change their ways.
A few side notes here...
Reagan did fuck up quite a few things, but yeah, so did the Democrat Congress.
Clinton fucked up some things too, but a lot of it was helped along by the Republican Congress.
Bush #2 is a more clear cut case where blame can be mostly put on the GOP because, for 6 years, they ran both Houses and had the presidency.
Reagan did fuck up quite a few things, but yeah, so did the Democrat Congress.
Clinton fucked up some things too, but a lot of it was helped along by the Republican Congress.
Bush #2 is a more clear cut case where blame can be mostly put on the GOP because, for 6 years, they ran both Houses and had the presidency.
Here you go: http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovern … sion_2.htmATG wrote:
I dispute this but can't be arsed to find a graphLotta_Drool wrote:
#1 for the past 50 year the Democrats have controlled the house and senate pretty much all the time. (u know, the white building that laws are made in)
looks like the democrates have controlled both houses a MAJORITY of the time since 1945 and both houses and the president over 4x as much as the republicans did.
This nation was ran into the dirt by Democrats. Look at the media ( Democrats ) Hollywood ( Democrats ) California ( Democrats ) Major Cities ( Democrats ) Gays ( Democrats ) Welfare Moms ( Democrats ).
Fuck, the democrats are socialists. Look at their beliefs and lack their of. You sit in the ruins of California, the Utopia of Democratic controlled politics and spout this shit that it was the Republicans fault?
Wake the fuck up, it was the government's fault. A government controlled by Democrats.
Corporations, not a party.Lotta_Drool wrote:
This nation was ran into the dirt by Democrats. Look at the media ( Democrats )
California produced Reagan, and inland California is very Republican.Lotta_Drool wrote:
California ( Democrats )
Inner cities, Democrat. Suburbs -- often Republican. See the difference between central Dallas and Plano.Lotta_Drool wrote:
Major Cities ( Democrats )
The poorest of the poor among whites tend to vote Republican.Lotta_Drool wrote:
Welfare Moms ( Democrats ).
You say that like it's a bad thing.Lotta_Drool wrote:
Fuck, the democrats are socialists.
Fixed.Lotta_Drool wrote:
Wake the fuck up, it was the government's fault. A government controlled by Democrats lobbyists.
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