ATG
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+5,233|6827|Global Command
With a mandate to reduce federal spending, President Ronald Reagan came to office in 1981. He slashed funding for domestic programs that assisted the working class (especially the poor), declined the wages for the average worker, and caused the homeownership rate to fall. Subsequently, the economic growth that came from his two terms in office only benefited those already well-off in society.



On the matter of deficits, Reagan nearly tripled the gap between the amount of money the federal government took in and the amount it spent. He did this by cutting tax rates by an average 25 percent, while aggressively increasing defense spending.

In 1981, shortly after taking office, Reagan lamented "runaway deficits" that were then approaching $80 billion, or about 2.5 percent of gross domestic product. Within only two years, however, his policies had succeeded in enlarging the deficit to more than $200 billion, or 6 percent of GDP.

"It was an experiment," said Alan Auerbach, a professor of economics at UC Berkeley. "No one before Reagan had ever run such huge deficits during peacetime. He showed that you could smile and tell everyone not to worry and, politically, no one will call you to account."

http://hpr1.com/feature/article/the_reagan_effect/


Commodity Futures Modernization Act signed by GWB.

Over half of the subprime loans came from mortgages companies not covered by CRA. If you want a 'single biggest reason' why the worlds economy is so jacked, look at the facts around this bill.

The Bush years saw including lots of ass kissing of Walmart including $2.88 million in tax breaks just in 2003. http://www.wakeupwalmart.com/press/20061005.html

This is a company that is a small business killing machine. In the old days, companies too big would be broken up ala Standard Oil and Ma Bell. In the republican years, Walmarts, Home Depots, Lowes and Costcos have spread like cancerous tumors at the expense of U.S. manufactoring and small business.
These were also the years of " the sole world superpower " title we bestowed upon ourselves.

What a joke.

The sole world superpower has become a system of fraud and greed. The world in general has every right to outrage at the mega financial fraud that has been committed. The world economy is in the toilet because of America.


The TARP rescue funds and all other bailouts were nothing more than looting and crime on a historical scale.

As for Obama and his " plots ";

would the assholes who ran GM into the ground have ditched their jets without government intervention?
would the thousands of doctors who do nothing but write bogus prescriptions for drug addicts stop what they are doing without a government oversight?
would the banking industry stop being criminals charging syndicate interest rates and twisted contracts without the threat of government interferring in their racket?

While I do object to the Federal Reserve having yet more power who else can regulate the Bear Stearns of the world?

Where were the republicans when exxon mobile was fucking people into submission with their record profits?


Where were the republicans when blantantly fail loans were being written?


Where were the republicans when illegal aliens overran and ruined the school system and emergency rooms?



No no no. They will not blame this ruin on Obama. The Lowings and Hannitys of the world need to look past their ideals and see that the last 20 of 28 years of America have been governed by republicans and  this system has brought our nation to the edge of ruin and economic slavery. The lack of leadership by the republicans, or if you prefer; the outright criminality of it gave Obama the power he has. There is nothing he has seized.

The republicans have made this bed of nails and now we all must lay in it.
https://i42.tinypic.com/2ito8y1.jpg
BigOrangeArmy
Don't tase me, bro!
+12|6294|Dallas
Reagan started it, and Obama with his massive spending is only adding to the problem . Republicans are to blame mainly though, and they really need to get back to their small-spending platform. I'm sure a lot of Republicans (or former ones) feel the same way.
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6481|Ireland
Is this a joke or are you toking with your hippie friend down there again?
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6827|Global Command
I call it like I see it Spit.

My loyalty is to America.
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5883

We had a good run. anyway republicans aren't the only ones to blame for this. Nobody put a gun to anyones head and told them to take a loan they couldn't pay or a run up their credit cards. The world as a whole fucked up and you can't just lay blame on the republicans.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6827|Global Command

Macbeth wrote:

We had a good run. anyway republicans aren't the only ones to blame for this. Nobody put a gun to anyones head and told them to take a loan they couldn't pay or a run up their credit cards. The world as a whole fucked up and you can't just lay blame on the republicans.
I just love the simple minded nature of this; think about it.


People could afford a lot of things before the crash.
People did not write banking policy that charges as much as 32% interest.


The world as a whole is fucked up because of a power elite that has no borders and that wants it that way, but in a controlled sort of fucked up.

The power elite that have done this are no different than those in Iran.

America is JUST like Iran in this regard; sure we have elections, but we all know that the president is a glorified spokeshole for the unseen power behind the Oval office.

Just like amerdinnerjacket has to kiss the ass of the ayatollah, who cannot be voted out and who makes policy that their president must speak, our presidents kiss the ass of the mega corporations and banks, I guess, who apparently run things.

Take Iraq for example, you gonna try and convince me that we would have done what we did if there were not massive oil deposits?

As our esteemed liberal members love to point out there are dozens of places where we should be, but are not, because we have no financial interest.


but go ahead, keep blaming the consumer. keep that Team America ra ra bullshit going.

Its hollow, old as shit and make us look like a country of jackasses.

Fuck this place with its insatiable hunger for tabloid news and reality television and cheese doodles and coca puffs.


We as a nation, have a fuck of a lot to apologize for.

Obama has not had time to ruin the country and I'm not saying he won't but Republicans refusal to see their own heads up their own asses equals zero credibility.

Zero.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6899|132 and Bush

ATG wrote:

The republicans have made this bed of nails and now we all must lay in it.
http://i42.tinypic.com/2ito8y1.jpg
This is what blows my mind. One day ">people insinuate there is no difference between the two and the next they throw the entire economic blame on one party. .. totally forgetting by the way the biggest presidential fuckup in the last 30 years, the guy that immediately preceded Reagan.
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ATG
Banned
+5,233|6827|Global Command

Kmarion wrote:

ATG wrote:

The republicans have made this bed of nails and now we all must lay in it.
http://i42.tinypic.com/2ito8y1.jpg
This is what blows my mind. One day you insinuate there is no difference between the two and the next you throw the entire economic blame on one party. .. totally forgetting by the way the biggest presidential fuckup in the last 30 years, the guy that immediately preceded Reagan.
I'm getting less sure about Carter tbh.

I'm starting to see a pattern; maybe the repubs did to carter the same thing the democrats did to bush.

Do you not see the fallacy of blaming all the current ills on Obama?



Also, I serve at a homeless shelter once a month and the tent camp sists across from a shuttered factory. The camp wouldn't likely be there if reagan hadn't thrown them into the street as they are all mentally ill and long term homeless. The factory closed before Obama took office.

The republicans had the power for the 8 years leading up to the crash and yes, I blame them mostly. The evidence was the silence about all the key issues that caused the crash.


Now obama is the end of everything.

pfft. they need to OWN it, republicans, I mean.
Macbeth
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It is much easier to blame a few secret elite who run the world then say "I think everyone fucked up here". I don't blame the people who made the game as much as I blame the people dumb enough to play it.
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5883

It is much easier to blame a few secret elite who run the world then say "I think everyone fucked up here". I don't blame the people who made the game as much as I blame the people dumb enough to play it.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6899|132 and Bush

ATG wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

ATG wrote:

The republicans have made this bed of nails and now we all must lay in it.
http://i42.tinypic.com/2ito8y1.jpg
This is what blows my mind. One day you insinuate there is no difference between the two and the next you throw the entire economic blame on one party. .. totally forgetting by the way the biggest presidential fuckup in the last 30 years, the guy that immediately preceded Reagan.
I'm getting less sure about Carter tbh.

I'm starting to see a pattern; maybe the repubs did to carter the same thing the democrats did to bush.

Do you not see the fallacy of blaming all the current ills on Obama?



Also, I serve at a homeless shelter once a month and the tent camp sists across from a shuttered factory. The camp wouldn't likely be there if reagan hadn't thrown them into the street as they are all mentally ill and long term homeless. The factory closed before Obama took office.

The republicans had the power for the 8 years leading up to the crash and yes, I blame them mostly. The evidence was the silence about all the key issues that caused the crash.


Now obama is the end of everything.

pfft. they need to OWN it, republicans, I mean.
Of course I see the fallacy of blaming all the current ills on Obama... just like I see the fallacy of blaming it all on Reagan or one party. That ATG is simple minded.
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ATG
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+5,233|6827|Global Command
I prefer the term flailing about over simple minded tbpfh.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6899|132 and Bush

ATG wrote:

I prefer the term flailing about over simple minded tbpfh.
I used your words.. see a few post up.
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usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7059

reagan was a fucking idiot.
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7034|Salt Lake City

I think Reagan started much of the deregulation trend that led to this point, but it is by no means the single source.  As I pointed out to lowing in another thread, it was McCain that was a major backer of a Republican bill that took away depression era regulations on banking, investment, and insurance companies, which is what removed the regulations that got many of these companies, like AIG into trouble.

While not to blame solely, the Republicans have been the largest supporter of deregulation.  Unfortunately, Wall Street claims time and time again that they can regulate themselves, only to find time and time again, that they can regulate themselves, but won't.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6899|132 and Bush

What is necessary is something in between. If you think the government needs total control and that they, in their infinite wisdom, are infallible .. you're on the opposite end of delusion.
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Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7034|Salt Lake City

Kmarion wrote:

What is necessary is something in between. If you think the government needs total control and that they, in their infinite wisdom, are infallible .. you're on the opposite end of delusion.
If you're responding to my post, I'm not advocating that the government have full control, only that there must be some form of meaningful and enforceable oversight of the financial world, as they don't seem willing to do it themselves.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6899|132 and Bush

No.. it was a general statement.
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Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6703|North Carolina
Slowly but surely, the American opinion of socialism is aligning more with the European one.  Contrary to what the "liberal media" would have us believe, that's not a bad thing.

Every president fucked something up, but it's refreshing to see Reagan get some much needed criticism for once.
Macbeth
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+2,444|5883


Reagan's alright, guards the gates to white heaven.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6703|North Carolina
Is that from Boondocks?  lol
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5883

Turquoise wrote:

Is that from Boondocks?  lol
Yeah lol
JahManRed
wank
+646|6926|IRELAND

good to hear your hatred for both parties is pretty equal. So where to now?
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|7014
I lived through Carter and Reagan... Things were a shitload better and safer when Reagan was in office...
Carter was a joke on foreign affairs and his financial ideas drove the country into the ground... that sounds familiar for some reason...
Love is the answer
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6481|Ireland

ATG wrote:

I call it like I see it Spit.

My loyalty is to America.
#1 for the past 50 year the Democrats have controlled the house and senate pretty much all the time. (u know, the white building that laws are made in)

#2 What is with the picture of President Regan?  Is that supposed to fan my outrage.

#3 I saw the economy Regan inherited and remember the ass hats in both houses. 

#4 Not to say the Republicans aren't corrupt, but it is kinda like placing all the blame on the driver vs the guy hanging out the window with the uzi during the drive-by shooting.

#5  YOU ARE A KALIFORNIAN, SHOULDN'T YOU BE HUGGING MEXICANS OR SOMETHING?

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