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2009-06-17 21:33:07
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|7014

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Meh. That was when I was barely 15 and was a bit more PC. My opinions on a variety of things have changed with age, as with anyone's. Now, I probably wouldn't care. However, there's a difference between making a personal insult like Imus and Letterman (both of which apologized, although I really don't feel like either was necessary) did to insulting an entire race...
Find proof of it before you make an audacious claim like that...  Ha....

*edit.. sorry man that just made me laugh a bit..
That was a long time ago DB...lol...  Now he is at the ripe old age of 17 and has a lifetime of experiences...

and yes there are racists on both sides... but Obama uses it to his own advantage whenever he needs to... and
he hides behind it also... Don't question Rev Wright and his hate filled speeches... and don't question that Obama went to church there
for 20 years and never heard a word this guy was saying...  etc etc... This guy was supposed to be the first post racial president...

Being lied to and taxed to death has no color or race... and we will see that more than ever in the coming weeks and months...
when people continue to see that this man is way off base with his cradle to the grave care he want's to force on everyone...

"I will go through every bill line by line to cut out waste" who said that... i can't recall?
Love is the answer
2009-06-17 22:48:24
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6949|USA

Poseidon wrote:

Meh. That was when I was barely 15 and was a bit more PC. My opinions on a variety of things have changed with age, as with anyone's. Now, I probably wouldn't care. However, there's a difference between making a personal insult like Imus and Letterman (both of which apologized, although I really don't feel like either was necessary) did to insulting an entire race...
To be honest, I understand. Most of the people on this forum are not even out of school yet and all have wide eyed viws on how things are or should be. Once they have to fend for themselves in the real world, their attitudes change
2009-06-17 23:02:23
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|6944
Racism is way overrated. It's wrong of course but people do a lot stupider things that people don't demonize nearly as much.
2009-06-17 23:27:20
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6973|Canberra, AUS
Before you ask, The Australian is a conservative-leaning newspaper (and just about the only respectable one in the country)[
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2009-06-17 23:35:00
TopHat01
Limitless
+117|6202|CA

King_County_Downy wrote:

In some states like California, whites ARE the minority. (I have no link to back up that last statement, but I did hear it somewhere recently, correct me if I'm wrong) .
If you value your life, you don't go to East Oakland as a white person.
Check out my YouTube channel
2009-06-17 23:51:20
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6949|USA
I don't have problem with the acknowledgement of racism. What I don't like are racists screaming racism. I am fed up the the double standards regarding racism and the lack of acknowledgement that those double standards exist, or the attempt at justifying them.
2009-06-18 00:30:50
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6835|Long Island, New York

lowing wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Meh. That was when I was barely 15 and was a bit more PC. My opinions on a variety of things have changed with age, as with anyone's. Now, I probably wouldn't care. However, there's a difference between making a personal insult like Imus and Letterman (both of which apologized, although I really don't feel like either was necessary) did to insulting an entire race...
To be honest, I understand. Most of the people on this forum are not even out of school yet and all have wide eyed viws on how things are or should be. Once they have to fend for themselves in the real world, their attitudes change
It has nothing to do with that. It just has to do with me just not really caring or getting personally affected by insults like that. Nor should the girls in Imus's case, nor should Sarah Palin and her blinded followers (DB1 and Catbox), nor should anyone with anyone with insults really. With Imus and Letterman...they're entertainers at the end of the day. They might've gone a little far, but that's what they do. I've heard a lot worse on separate issues with Leno.

I mean, it's like what you see in this exact thread. Catbox and DB1 are up to their usual non-contributive ways, but hey, who cares? I'm pretty sure everyone already knows the type of radical opinions they both have and nobody really takes them seriously. You might have some strong opinions too on some issues but like Kmar told you (yes, I stalked your karma ) - you're actually quite level headed. Can't say the same for them. Any time anyone dares post something against their opinion, they'll just get an ad hominem attack in return. It's actually quite amusing.

How ironic is it when a 17 year old can debate better and is more mature than 2 30+ year olds who supposedly have families? They might have the experience, but certainly not the brains.

lowing wrote:

I don't have problem with the acknowledgement of racism. What I don't like are racists screaming racism. I am fed up the the double standards regarding racism and the lack of acknowledgement that those double standards exist, or the attempt at justifying them.
I'm pretty sure everyone here knows there's a lot of double standards with racism.

Also, just to back up my original point - nobody was never "crucifying" Imus here...I might've said apologizing would be the right thing to do but I never called for his head.

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2009-06-18 00:54:37
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|7014

lowing wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Meh. That was when I was barely 15 and was a bit more PC. My opinions on a variety of things have changed with age, as with anyone's. Now, I probably wouldn't care. However, there's a difference between making a personal insult like Imus and Letterman (both of which apologized, although I really don't feel like either was necessary) did to insulting an entire race...
To be honest, I understand. Most of the people on this forum are not even out of school yet and all have wide eyed viws on how things are or should be. Once they have to fend for themselves in the real world, their attitudes change
So true and they prove it over and over... I would love to flash forward a few years and see how the kiddies viewpoints have changed.
I remember when i thought i knew everything...   Good luck to all the new graduates and those entering college and the workforce... The world is your oyster...
Love is the answer
2009-06-18 00:56:36
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6835|Long Island, New York
Point proven.

"I'm older, therefore regardless of whether I might be blinded like someone in the North Korean Army, my opinion > yours. Because you're a kid! Har har, ho ho."

http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/resul … polls.html

I suppose this kind of defeats everything you've just said, doesn't it? Notice the 30-44 age group.

Last edited by Poseidon (2009-06-18 01:06:06)

2009-06-18 01:23:29
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|7014
a link to a NY Times article... I bow to your debating skills...
I don't know why i get under your skin but it is kind of funny
Let's see how things play out in the next couple of years...
  Thanks in advance for working hard your whole life to pay off all this spending the messiah is saddling
you younger people with.

I have a different opinion about things going on in the country... No excuses for that.
I want Obamas socialist policies to fail... I want our amazing country to be the envy of the world... see the difference?
Love is the answer
2009-06-18 01:27:12
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,817|6404|eXtreme to the maX
I want Obamas socialist policies to fail... I want our amazing country to be the envy of the world
And never mind the people eh?
Fuck Israel
2009-06-18 01:31:26
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|7014

Dilbert_X wrote:

I want Obamas socialist policies to fail... I want our amazing country to be the envy of the world
And never mind the people eh?
The people being included... The people are what makes this country great...
   The shift to entitlement and apathy has made us soft... but i have faith in our people to
get back on track and get the economy and our way of life back... We can turn back all the wasteful
spending from Bush and Obama in upcoming elections...
Love is the answer
2009-06-18 02:04:28
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6899|132 and Bush

When we say I hope he fails it just sounds like sour grapes tbh..

Maybe something along the lines of, "I hope his plan and it's flaws are quickly exposed"?
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2009-06-18 07:27:41
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6949|USA

Poseidon wrote:

Point proven.

"I'm older, therefore regardless of whether I might be blinded like someone in the North Korean Army, my opinion > yours. Because you're a kid! Har har, ho ho."

http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/resul … polls.html

I suppose this kind of defeats everything you've just said, doesn't it? Notice the 30-44 age group.
It is true, even I, in my youth ( early 20's), was anti-gun. I did not own one and did not see the need for anyone else t own one either.

Now I am even giving my kids guns for Christmas .

Attitudes do change with age, when you have worked hard to build a life for yourself and your family, you are not so willing to just drink the kool aid and succumb to the idea that you are supposed to work to support everyone. It is not a palatable notion that your private achievement in life is supposed to be shared by the masses., and it is not worth protecting.
2009-06-18 07:36:55
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6949|USA

Dilbert_X wrote:

I want Obamas socialist policies to fail... I want our amazing country to be the envy of the world
And never mind the people eh?
What about the people? We are all free to succeed or fail based on the choices we make. Why do you keep the notion that MY hard work is supposed to support everyone who doesn't work hard? I have my own family and my own responsibilities to support, why are insistent that I support everyone elses family and responsibilities? Why are you not insisting that those people maintain their own commitments, and their own lives?

What do you think will happen to our country when you take away all incentive to achieve and replace it with entitlement?
2009-06-18 21:50:31
AussieReaper
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+5,761|6451|what

This coming from the same people who believe colleges are full of brainwashing professors jamming liberal ideology down students throats?

Gimme a break.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
2009-06-18 21:55:07
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|7014

AussieReaper wrote:

This coming from the same people who believe colleges are full of brainwashing professors jamming liberal ideology down students throats?

Gimme a break.
Have you gone to college in the US?
Love is the answer
2009-06-18 21:55:11
13rin
Member
+977|6777

AussieReaper wrote:

This coming from the same people who believe colleges are full of brainwashing professors jamming liberal ideology down students throats?

Gimme a break.
Depends on the school you attend.

Poseidon wrote:

I mean, it's like what you see in this exact thread. Catbox and DB1 are up to their usual non-contributive ways, but hey, who cares? I'm pretty sure everyone already knows the type of radical opinions they both have and nobody really takes them seriously. You might have some strong opinions too on some issues but like Kmar told you (yes, I stalked your karma ) - you're actually quite level headed. Can't say the same for them. Any time anyone dares post something against their opinion, they'll just get an ad hominem attack in return. It's actually quite amusing.

How ironic is it when a 17 year old can debate better and is more mature than 2 30+ year olds who supposedly have families? They might have the experience, but certainly not the brains.
As to his personal attack when I expressed humor at his self ownage during his head hunt for lowing gone awry- I had posted a great rebuttal to it, but as usual he reported it rather than address it.  Way to debate!

Blind Palin supporter?
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 0#p2674680
Der okay...

Last edited by DBBrinson1 (2009-06-20 11:09:43)

I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
2009-06-18 22:55:50
DrunkFace
Germans did 911
+427|6979|Disaster Free Zone

lowing wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Point proven.

"I'm older, therefore regardless of whether I might be blinded like someone in the North Korean Army, my opinion > yours. Because you're a kid! Har har, ho ho."

http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/resul … polls.html

I suppose this kind of defeats everything you've just said, doesn't it? Notice the 30-44 age group.
It is true, even I, in my youth ( early 20's), was anti-gun. I did not own one and did not see the need for anyone else t own one either.

Now I am even giving my kids guns for Christmas .

Attitudes do change with age, when you have worked hard to build a life for yourself and your family, you are not so willing to just drink the kool aid and succumb to the idea that you are supposed to work to support everyone. It is not a palatable notion that your private achievement in life is supposed to be shared by the masses., and it is not worth protecting.
I once thought like you (when at school). Anyone who couldn't succeed was beyond help and not worthy of help. The only government provided utilities should be education up till year 10 and defence (police and military). Everyone should pay for their own medical treatments. Taxes were  woefully unfair on the rich etc.

Then I grew up, realised the world isn't just about me, that my views were selfish, self centred, even narcissistic in nature. That not everyone had the luxuries that I had genetically, emotionally and financially while growing up and helping the community and having the government provide things like free healthcare, free (or subsidised) university and trade education were all worthwhile, things which I had benefited off and think others who were less fortunate should have to same opportunities I had.
2009-06-18 22:59:37
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6949|USA

DrunkFace wrote:

lowing wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Point proven.

"I'm older, therefore regardless of whether I might be blinded like someone in the North Korean Army, my opinion > yours. Because you're a kid! Har har, ho ho."

http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/resul … polls.html

I suppose this kind of defeats everything you've just said, doesn't it? Notice the 30-44 age group.
It is true, even I, in my youth ( early 20's), was anti-gun. I did not own one and did not see the need for anyone else t own one either.

Now I am even giving my kids guns for Christmas .

Attitudes do change with age, when you have worked hard to build a life for yourself and your family, you are not so willing to just drink the kool aid and succumb to the idea that you are supposed to work to support everyone. It is not a palatable notion that your private achievement in life is supposed to be shared by the masses., and it is not worth protecting.
I once thought like you (when at school). Anyone who couldn't succeed was beyond help and not worthy of help. The only government provided utilities should be education up till year 10 and defence (police and military). Everyone should pay for their own medical treatments. Taxes were  woefully unfair on the rich etc.

Then I grew up, realised the world isn't just about me, that my views were selfish, self centred, even narcissistic in nature. That not everyone had the luxuries that I had genetically, emotionally and financially while growing up and helping the community and having the government provide things like free healthcare, free (or subsidised) university and trade education were all worthwhile, things which I had benefited off and think others who were less fortunate should have to same opportunities I had.
Wow, your generosity with other peoples money is heart felt. I think i might actually cry thinking about your selfless act of redistributing wealth you have not earned and not yours to redistribute.
2009-06-18 23:15:10
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|7014

lowing wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

lowing wrote:

It is true, even I, in my youth ( early 20's), was anti-gun. I did not own one and did not see the need for anyone else t own one either.

Now I am even giving my kids guns for Christmas .

Attitudes do change with age, when you have worked hard to build a life for yourself and your family, you are not so willing to just drink the kool aid and succumb to the idea that you are supposed to work to support everyone. It is not a palatable notion that your private achievement in life is supposed to be shared by the masses., and it is not worth protecting.
I once thought like you (when at school). Anyone who couldn't succeed was beyond help and not worthy of help. The only government provided utilities should be education up till year 10 and defence (police and military). Everyone should pay for their own medical treatments. Taxes were  woefully unfair on the rich etc.

Then I grew up, realised the world isn't just about me, that my views were selfish, self centred, even narcissistic in nature. That not everyone had the luxuries that I had genetically, emotionally and financially while growing up and helping the community and having the government provide things like free healthcare, free (or subsidised) university and trade education were all worthwhile, things which I had benefited off and think others who were less fortunate should have to same opportunities I had.
Wow, your generosity with other peoples money is heart felt. I think i might actually cry thinking about your selfless act of redistributing wealth you have not earned and not yours to redistribute.
I am also choked up... and tingling at the same time... you are an inspiration to all of us DFace...lol
I do things for people because i want to... not because i am told to do it or forced with taxes that are wasted and abused.
and i know some taxes are necessary... so save that response... 
I hope they keep beating on the evil wealthy people... let's see when the entitlement spigot runs dry... 
and i'm not rich... but i would still like the option to be...

and here is my picture of the day... Bush and Obamas Deficits chart comparison...
https://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/catbox777/obamadebt.jpg

Last edited by [TUF]Catbox (2009-06-19 00:02:14)

Love is the answer
2009-06-18 23:24:10
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6949|USA

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

lowing wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:


I once thought like you (when at school). Anyone who couldn't succeed was beyond help and not worthy of help. The only government provided utilities should be education up till year 10 and defence (police and military). Everyone should pay for their own medical treatments. Taxes were  woefully unfair on the rich etc.

Then I grew up, realised the world isn't just about me, that my views were selfish, self centred, even narcissistic in nature. That not everyone had the luxuries that I had genetically, emotionally and financially while growing up and helping the community and having the government provide things like free healthcare, free (or subsidised) university and trade education were all worthwhile, things which I had benefited off and think others who were less fortunate should have to same opportunities I had.
Wow, your generosity with other peoples money is heart felt. I think i might actually cry thinking about your selfless act of redistributing wealth you have not earned and not yours to redistribute.
I am also choked up... and tingling at the same time... you are an inspiration to all of us Diesel...lol
I do things for people because i want to... not because i am told to do it or forced with taxes that are wasted and abused.
and i know some taxes are necessary... so save that response... 
I hope they keep beating on the evil wealthy people... let's see when the entitlement spigot runs dry... 
and i'm not rich... but i would still like the option to be...

and here is my picture of the day... Bush and Obamas Deficits chart comparison...
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/c … madebt.jpg
Ya gotta love the entitlement crowd don't ya?
2009-06-18 23:55:39
DrunkFace
Germans did 911
+427|6979|Disaster Free Zone

lowing wrote:

Ya gotta love the entitlement crowd don't ya?
Yes Lowing, people are entitled to a decent standard of living, they are entitled to programs and opportunities to enable them so succeed no matter the financial position of their parents. They are entitled to an education and to be treated when sick. They are entitled to live in a safe community free from criminals and pollutants. I'm not talking about a free ride Lowing, I'm talking about giving the same opportunities, the same chance of success to everyone and then letting the cards fall where they may. Not starting with a stacked deck and expecting those on the losing end to catch up.
2009-06-19 00:17:31
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6949|USA

DrunkFace wrote:

lowing wrote:

Ya gotta love the entitlement crowd don't ya?
Yes Lowing, people are entitled to a decent standard of living, they are entitled to programs and opportunities to enable them so succeed no matter the financial position of their parents. They are entitled to an education and to be treated when sick. They are entitled to live in a safe community free from criminals and pollutants. I'm not talking about a free ride Lowing, I'm talking about giving the same opportunities, the same chance of success to everyone and then letting the cards fall where they may. Not starting with a stacked deck and expecting those on the losing end to catch up.
no, you are not talking about equal opportunity, you are talking about equal results..............entitlement.
2009-06-19 00:33:01
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6973|Canberra, AUS
No, he isn't.

Read the post again, paying particular attention to the word 'chance'.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman

 

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