Kmar
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The President announces that banks have paid back $68 billion in TARP funds, and comes out in support of legislation to make Pay As You Go the law of the land, ensuring every new dollar spent must first be saved elsewhere. June 9, 2009. (Public Domain)
THE PRESIDENT: Thank you. Thank you all for joining us here in the White House. Before I begin, I want to comment briefly on the announcement by the Treasury Department with regard to the financial stability plan.

As you know, through this plan and its predecessor, taxpayer dollars were used to stabilize the financial system at a time of extraordinary stress. And these funds were also meant to be an investment -- and they were meant to be temporary. And that's why this morning's announcement is important.

Several financial institutions are set to pay back $68 billion to taxpayers. And while we know that we will not escape the worst financial crisis in decades without some losses to taxpayers, it's worth noting that in the first round of repayments from these companies the government has actually turned a profit.

This is not a sign that our troubles are over -- far from it. The financial crisis this administration inherited is still creating painful challenges for businesses and families alike. And I think everybody sees it in their own individual districts. But it is a positive sign. We're seeing an initial return on a few of these investments. We're restoring funds to the Treasury where they'll be available to safeguard against continuing risks to financial stability. And as this money is returned, we'll see our national debt lessened by $68 billion -- billions of dollars that this generation will not have to borrow and future generations will not have to repay.

I've said repeatedly that I have no interest in managing the banking system -- or, for that matter, running auto companies or other private institutions. So today's announcement is welcome news to me. But I also want to say the return of these funds does not provide forgiveness for past excesses or permission for future misdeeds. It's critical that as our country emerges from this period of crisis, that we learn its lessons; that those who seek reward do not take reckless risk; that short-term gains are not pursued without regard for long-term consequences.

At the same time, as we seek greater responsibility from those in the private sector, it's my view -- and the view of those who are standing behind me today, as well as those in the audience -- that greater responsibility is required on the part of those who serve the public as well.

As a nation, we have several imperatives at this difficult moment in our history. We're confronting the worst recession this country has faced in generations, and this has required extraordinary investments in the short term. Another imperative is addressing long-deferred priorities -- health care, energy, education -- which threaten the American economy and the well-being of American families. And we've begun to tackle these problems as well.

But we are also called upon to rein in deficits by addressing these and other challenges in a manner that is fiscally responsible. This, in part, requires the kind of line-by-line review of the budget that is ongoing to remove things that we don't need and make the programs we do need work more efficiently. There are billions of dollars to be saved this way. But much of our effort will entail going after the big-ticket items that drive the deficits.

By ending unnecessary no-bid contracts and reforming the way government contracts are awarded, we can save the American people up to $40 billion every year. In addition, Secretary Robert Gates has proposed a badly needed overhaul of a defense contracting system riddled with hundreds of billions of dollars in cost overruns, and the cancelation of superfluous defense systems unnecessary to combat the threats of the 21st century.

We're also going to eliminate unwarranted subsidies currently lavished on health insurance companies through Medicare, which will save roughly $177 billion over the next decade. And this is part of broader health reform, about which I'll have more to say in the coming days, which will both cut costs and improve care.

So all told, in the next four years the deficit will be cut in half. Over the next decade, non-defense discretionary spending will reach its lowest level as a share of our national income since we began keeping records in 1962.

But we must go further, and one important step we can and must take is restoring the so-called "pay as you go" rule, or PAYGO. This is a rule I championed in the Senate and called for time and again on the campaign trail. Today, with the support of these legislators, including the Speaker of the House, my administration is submitting to Congress a proposal to codify this rule into law -- and I hope that the House and Senate will act quickly to pass it. (Applause.)

The "pay as you go" rule is very simple. Congress can only spend a dollar if it saves a dollar elsewhere. And this principle guides responsible families managing a budget. And it is no coincidence that this rule was in place when we moved from record deficits to record surpluses in the 1990s -- and that when this rule was abandoned, we returned to record deficits that doubled the national debt. Entitlement increases and tax cuts need to be paid for. They're not free, and borrowing to finance them is not a sustainable long-term policy.

Paying for what you spend is basic common sense. Perhaps that's why, here in Washington, it's been so elusive. Of course, there have been those in Washington leading the charge to restore PAYGO, and many of them are here today. I want to recognize Congressman George Miller, who introduced the first PAYGO bill in the House. (Applause.) I want to thank the House Blue Dogs and their leader, especially Baron Hill, who has been a driving force in favor of PAYGO. (Applause.) I want to acknowledge Senator Claire McCaskill, who's shown real leadership on this issue in the Senate. (Applause.) And as I said, I want to acknowledge the Speaker of the House, as well as leader Steny Hoyer, who are here because they understand the importance of this principle and are fully supportive of our efforts.

In fact, two years ago, a new Democratic Congress put in place congressional rules to restore this principle, but could not pass legislation without the support of the administration. I want you all to know you now have that support. (Applause.)

The fact is there are few who aren't distressed by deficits. It's a concern that crosses party lines, geographic boundaries, and ideological divides. But often, in the give-and-take of the political process, the vested interests of the few overtake the broader interests of the many. The debate of the day drowns out those who speak of what we may face tomorrow. And that's why "pay as you go" is essential. It requires Congress to navigate the ebb and flow of politics while remaining fixed on that fiscal horizon.

The reckless fiscal policies of the past have left us in a very deep hole. And digging our way out of it will take time, patience, and some tough choices. I know that in the face of this historic challenge there are many across this country who are skeptical of our collective ability to meet it. They're not wrong to feel that way. They're not wrong to draw this lesson after years in which we've put off difficult decisions; in which we've allowed our politics to grow smaller as our challenges grew ever more daunting.

But I think everybody understands this is an extraordinary moment, one in which we are called upon not just to restore fiscal responsibility, but to once again live up to the broader responsibilities we have to one another. And I know that we can summon that sense of shared obligation; that we have the capacity to change, and to grow, and to solve even our toughest of problems.

And that's at the heart of why we're here. I appreciate the work of the people in this room who've shown a willingness to make hard choices and do the hard work that's essential to overcoming the challenges of the present, while leaving our nation better off in the future. So this is going to be a lift. We know it's going to be tough. I think we can get it done, especially with the extraordinary leadership that is on display here today.

Thank you very much, everybody. (Applause.)

END
1:16 P.M. EDT
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Catbox
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the banks are giving back the money to keep the govt out of their banks... This is a silly spin by Obama to fool a few people...
I am heartened to hear people from all walks of life talking about what a bad choice this guy was... 

Things like changing laws to payoff his union friends and supporters at gm and chrysler...

Healthcare... Have you been to the dmv or post office recently... enjoy the nation killer of socialized medicine...
rationed healthcare will be great... Hope everyone qualifies for care and doesn't mind waiting their turn at the hospital
behind a sea of people and illegal aliens... stay healthy...

  The reality is that wealthy people are protecting their money now and waiting a couple of years till there is a new administration and the middle class suffers job losses due to lack of spending and businesses cutting back... and more and more people become poor...
and the people that were already poor... they are still poor...   Let's wait and see 6-12 months from now when there are 25 czars and taxes are raised on everyone to pay for this Utopia...     Change.... he wasn't kidding.

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[TUF]Catbox wrote:

the banks are giving back the money to keep the govt out of their banks... This is a silly spin by Obama to fool a few people...
I am heartened to hear people from all walks of life talking about what a bad choice this guy was...
QFT

+1 Yep...they are afraid as shit of being government controlled.

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

Things like changing laws to payoff his union friends and supporters at gm and chrysler...
Yep...bond holders got screwed but the unions made out.

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

Healthcare... Have you been to the dmv or post office recently... enjoy the nation killer of socialized medicine...
rationed healthcare will be great... Hope everyone qualifies for care and doesn't mind waiting their turn at the hospital
behind a sea of people and illegal aliens... stay healthy...
No wonder so many Canadians come to the United States for care.

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

The reality is that wealthy people are protecting their money now and waiting a couple of years till there is a new administration and the middle class suffers job losses due to lack of spending and businesses cutting back... and more and more people become poor...
and the people that were already poor... they are still poor...   Let's wait and see 6-12 months from now when there are 25 czars and taxes are raised on everyone to pay for this Utopia...     Change.... he wasn't kidding.
Pocket change is all I'll have left after he's done.  And don't forget all the inflation that's about to happen.  Already started (mortgage rates up 2/3rd of a percent in 2 weeks, Oil prices going up as Dollar is devalued, Gold inching up in price, etc...).




[TUF]Catbox, I want to have your conservative babies!!!
Flecco
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Harmor wrote:

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

the banks are giving back the money to keep the govt out of their banks... This is a silly spin by Obama to fool a few people...
I am heartened to hear people from all walks of life talking about what a bad choice this guy was...
QFT

+1 Yep...they are afraid as shit of being government controlled.
Just a question...

Wasn't the point of all those conditions placed on the TARP funds to ensure the banks paid the money back fast?
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
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Flecco wrote:

Harmor wrote:

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

the banks are giving back the money to keep the govt out of their banks... This is a silly spin by Obama to fool a few people...
I am heartened to hear people from all walks of life talking about what a bad choice this guy was...
QFT

+1 Yep...they are afraid as shit of being government controlled.
Just a question...

Wasn't the point of all those conditions placed on the TARP funds to ensure the banks paid the money back fast?
actually there were very little in the way of conditions from what i have read... they had to speed TARP to the rescue before the entire US collapsed,so there was no time for details... They have spent about 5 percent of TARP funds so far and the jobless rate is at 9.4 percent
they are now counting jobs saved as jobs created?  How do you measure jobs saved?

The jobs saved or created is just a guess... really no way to figure out how many jobs are saved... do people call in say... hey my job was saved...?
http://www.mainstreet.com/article/caree … -job-count

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Kmar
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That's all fine and dandy, but the bottom line is that banks are repaying their debts. That should be good news to any conservative, regardless of motive speculations. I heard Barry say repeatedly that he does not want to control private industry. Tough to believe given the first few months of office, but no one is can deny that he is dealing with extraordinary economic conditions. The pay as you go "save your money first" is a step in the right direction also.

You are putting spin on supposed spin which is entirely ironic.
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Kmar
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[TUF]Catbox wrote:

actually there were very little in the way of conditions from what i have read...
Then why the rush to pay it back?

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

the banks are giving back the money to keep the govt out of their banks
This seems to be a bit contradictory.
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Catbox
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"actually there were very little in the way of conditions from what i have read..."
meaning it happened so fast...

   The banks got the money very quickly because it was needed to save the US... and if we waited 1 more day it would be too late!!!

Now the banks are realizing they don't want to be controlled by even more inept people than themselves... the govt.
Which is great when the govt and the banks are using our taxpayer money to set themselves up to get back to business as usual...

Try and get a loan now for something... unless you are Donald Trump... good luck

The banks are shady also... they were collapsing and a month or so later they are doing great and can pay the money back?

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Kmar
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I help people get loans everyday. Yes, it has gotten tough, but not impossible. It's actually getting easier compared to a year ago. Commercial loans are still really tough. Not everyone can afford to put down 20-30%, and SBA isn't being very helpful. This is a consequence to how extremely easy it was to get a loan over the last 6 years.
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ATG
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68 billion lol.
Kmar
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At least they aren't asking for more?

No one said this is a big shift.. actually the opposite was repeated several times. It is important to recognize the direction though.
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nickb64
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Kmarion wrote:

The pay as you go "save your money first" is a step in the right direction also.
It is a baby step in the right direction, but it will only slow the growth of the deficit if it actually happens. I am not optimistic that it will happen. Congress will not change its ways unless we change the people in Congress in the next election. The only thing we can do is try to slow them down and threaten them with losing office.
This is the only thing I forsee being able to change their trend of spending vast sums of money we do not have.

This will not help to cut the deficit, which he and Congress quadrupled. It would merely keep it from getting bigger. To cut it, they would have to save more than one dollar for every dollar spent.

He is full of shi- with his "save or create"  jobs figures. We have lost 1.8 million jobs since February, and his policies that will raise taxes and spending will not help create a substantial amount of jobs to turn this around. Cutting taxes and thereby giving people more money to spend and more money to allow companies to spend would help create jobs and "stimulate" the economy.

EDIT: The money paid back is only a small portion of what is owed, and some banks have been trying to repay TARP funds for a couple months, but the Government would not allow it.

It is encouraging to see some funds paid back, but only slightly, as there are trillions still left to be paid back. This is just a small fraction of the debt.

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Kmar
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Transcript added to OP.
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nickb64
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He hasn't been very god about "pay as you go" so far, has he?

The government has spent more than has been spent in our entire history in just a few short months. The budget is about the same amount of money as fighting WW2.
Kmar
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Nope .. almost none of our representatives have.. on either side of the aisle.
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ATG wrote:

68 billion lol.
Exactly! It's a drop in the bucket, a bucket of trillions spent, or in the process of being spent.

Remember when some of us were growing up? The word million was hard to comprehend?

Move a little forward, and the word billion was hard to comprehend?

Now, 2009, we're talking trillions of dollars. That's really hard to comprehend!

I have to balance my books ie: checkbook, month in, month out. If I'm overdrawn, I can go to jail. What the hell is our bloody gov't thinking, writing checks it's stupid ass can't cash?

IMHO, everyone in D.C. need their stupid ass thrown out of office. '10 and '12, throw the bums out!

Use your power of choice wisely.
nickb64
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We need people who will do things differently. The things we are doing have not worked well before.

I am not optimistic about the future of this great nation if things do not change in 2010 or 2012. After that there will be great difficulty for trying to return to the policies that made this country great and prosperous.

It is much easier to implement something than to try to remove it once it is entrenched in the way of life.
Kmar
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National debt has been policy. Andrew Jackson aside.
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OxenBreeder
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nickb64 wrote:

Congress will not change its ways unless we change the people in Congress in the next election. The only thing we can do is try to slow them down and threaten them with losing office.
This is the only thing I forsee being able to change their trend of spending vast sums of money we do not have.
50 TRILLION AMENS BROTHER!!!!!!!
nickb64
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I think term limits on Senators & Congressmen would be good.

Get fresh people every few years, less career government scum.

That would be a game changer I think. They would have less focus on getting re-elected every couple years forever, so they might actually focus on issues instead of pandering all the time.
Kmar
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OxenBreeder wrote:

nickb64 wrote:

Congress will not change its ways unless we change the people in Congress in the next election. The only thing we can do is try to slow them down and threaten them with losing office.
This is the only thing I forsee being able to change their trend of spending vast sums of money we do not have.
50 TRILLION AMENS BROTHER!!!!!!!
It was much higher mid century as a PERCENTAGE of our gdp.
https://i40.tinypic.com/opyzxs.gif
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nickb64
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Kmarion wrote:

OxenBreeder wrote:

nickb64 wrote:

Congress will not change its ways unless we change the people in Congress in the next election. The only thing we can do is try to slow them down and threaten them with losing office.
This is the only thing I forsee being able to change their trend of spending vast sums of money we do not have.
50 TRILLION AMENS BROTHER!!!!!!!
It was much higher mid century as a PERCENTAGE of our gdp.
http://i40.tinypic.com/opyzxs.gif
Thanks to WW2 and Marshall Plan???

it's gonna go through the roof for the next 10 years at least with all this shi-.

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Kmar
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nickb64 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

OxenBreeder wrote:

50 TRILLION AMENS BROTHER!!!!!!!
It was much higher mid century as a PERCENTAGE of our gdp.
http://i40.tinypic.com/opyzxs.gif
Thanks to WW2 and Marshall Plan???
Why yes, we were in a war back then also.
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nickb64
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Kmarion wrote:

nickb64 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


It was much higher mid century as a PERCENTAGE of our gdp.
http://i40.tinypic.com/opyzxs.gif
Thanks to WW2 and Marshall Plan???
Why yes, we were in a war back then also.
And rebuilding Europe and it's economy. Obama's budget is apparently as costly as WW2 when adjusted for inflation. (don't remember source)
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nickb64 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

OxenBreeder wrote:


50 TRILLION AMENS BROTHER!!!!!!!
It was much higher mid century as a PERCENTAGE of our gdp.
http://i40.tinypic.com/opyzxs.gif
Thanks to WW2 and Marshall Plan???
Marshall Plan, probably also the rebuilding of the Japanese economy.


Reagan jacked up the percentage and Clinton dropped it again.
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