you lose, you lose.CameronPoe wrote:
Oh that's ok. So people flee an oncoming army that dispossesses them of all they own and know and that's ok? lol.Karbin wrote:
, Yosef Weitz wrote in October 1948: "The migration of the Arabs from the Land of Israel was not caused by persecution, violence, expulsion [but was] deliberately organised by the Arab leaders in order to arouse Arab feelings of revenge, to artificially create an Arab refugee problem." Israeli historian Efraim Karsh wrote, "The logic behind this policy was apparently that 'the absence of women and children from Palestine would free the men for fighting', as the Secretary-General of the Arab League, Abd al-Rahman Azzam put it." In his book, The Arab-Israeli Conflict: The Palestine War 1948, Karsh cited the substantial, active role the Arab Higher Committee played in the exoduses from Haifa, Tiberias, and Jaffa as an important part of understanding what he called the "birth of the Palestinian refugee problem."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre
Don't forget the Balfour Declaration of 1917san4 wrote:
This statement contains significant inaccuracies. It is incorrect to say that "Israel took everything they have today from Palestinians." The Israelis purchased land in Palestine from Arabs throughout the first half of the 20th century. Although Israelis did force some Arabs to leave after the Arab armies attacked in 1948, the purchased land was clearly not "taken".CameronPoe wrote:
lol.Harmor wrote:
Why should we allow Palestinians to have their own state if half their government are terrorists who indiscriminately send rockets into civilian areas of Israel?
Whose people support suicide bomber killing dozens of civilians at a time?
Whose people support these war crimes?
Why? Am I missing something here? Shouldn't we expect the Palestinians to moderate first before we ever concede anything to them?
Why do Palestinians deserve a state?
The reason Palestinians lash out in such a manner is exactly because they don't have a state and Israeli occupation is perpetuating a spiral of poverty and misery in their homeland. Israel took everything they have today from Palestinians. Israel are the primary cunts here, never forget that. Israel have brought this on themselves.
/discussion
Perhaps my response should be 'Why does such a retarded OP deserve a response?'.
There is also little basis for saying that Hamas lashes out because they don't have a state. Hamas itself has stated otherwise. They say they "lash out" because God wants them to get rid of Israel. Giving them a state won't end their quest.
Europe is the primary cunts here, never forget that. They persecuted Jews for nearly 2000 years and made the creation of a Jewish state necessary. European anti-semitism is the ultimate source of the burden being borne by the Palestinian Arabs.
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His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.
This started after the First War.... not the Second, as some think.
And why would that be?usmarine wrote:
you lose, you lose.CameronPoe wrote:
Oh that's ok. So people flee an oncoming army that dispossesses them of all they own and know and that's ok? lol.Karbin wrote:
, Yosef Weitz wrote in October 1948: "The migration of the Arabs from the Land of Israel was not caused by persecution, violence, expulsion [but was] deliberately organised by the Arab leaders in order to arouse Arab feelings of revenge, to artificially create an Arab refugee problem." Israeli historian Efraim Karsh wrote, "The logic behind this policy was apparently that 'the absence of women and children from Palestine would free the men for fighting', as the Secretary-General of the Arab League, Abd al-Rahman Azzam put it." In his book, The Arab-Israeli Conflict: The Palestine War 1948, Karsh cited the substantial, active role the Arab Higher Committee played in the exoduses from Haifa, Tiberias, and Jaffa as an important part of understanding what he called the "birth of the Palestinian refugee problem."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre
no i mean the arabs lost and they want land back. fuck em.
Yes, because Palestine was always famous for their military prowess... I blame the British!usmarine wrote:
no i mean the arabs lost and they want land back. fuck em.
-kon
USM has a point, the Arabs tried to wipe out all of the Israelis, made a serious miscalculation and paid the price for it.
I blame religion for a lot of it, Muslims vs Jews, seems to be a recurring scenario that.
I blame religion for a lot of it, Muslims vs Jews, seems to be a recurring scenario that.
i am not just talking about palestine. everyone wants them to give land back. fuck em.konfusion wrote:
Yes, because Palestine was always famous for their military prowess... I blame the British!usmarine wrote:
no i mean the arabs lost and they want land back. fuck em.
-kon
Gods chosen people tbh
no wait thats teh jews isnt it?
/thread
no wait thats teh jews isnt it?
/thread
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It's true that they can barely sort themselves out let alone properly engage with the rest of the world and Israel, if the Palestinians were much more of an organised force and less of a bastardised fighting/political unit they could've done alot more about this. Infact that goes for all the Arab countries around Israel
They consistenly made a meal out of the whole Israel situation and that's why they're in the situation they are in, this shit didn't happen for them when they took over half the world all the way upto France
They consistenly made a meal out of the whole Israel situation and that's why they're in the situation they are in, this shit didn't happen for them when they took over half the world all the way upto France
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Cam, do you really think there would be a Jewish population there if the Arabs had won in '48?CameronPoe wrote:
Might makes right eh numnutz? All those protesters under the yoke of the USSR should have just 'shut the fuck up' eh? Retardorama. Me not so smart. Me used to be marine. Me fix planes.usmarine wrote:
no i mean the arabs lost and they want land back. fuck em.
There was one Karbin, there was, and there had been one there for several thousands of years. The problem came when the region was flooded with people who had no right to be there.Karbin wrote:
Cam, do you really think there would be a Jewish population there if the Arabs had won in '48?
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Answer the question, please.CameronPoe wrote:
There was one Karbin, there was, and there had been one there for several thousands of years. The problem came when the region was flooded with people who had no right to be there.Karbin wrote:
Cam, do you really think there would be a Jewish population there if the Arabs had won in '48?
In light of the Balfour Declaration of 1917.
Now, answer the question.
Would there be a Jewish population there.
I don't agree with the Balfour Declaration of 1917 - a document that incidentally had no legal basis and actually specifically mentioned that any such homeland should not impinge upon the indigenous inhabitants of the region, i.e. the Palestinians! It was a nonsense declaration by a patronising cunt who had no moral right to be making decisions and declarations that would negatively impact on millions of people in a far flung land. You'd think the Brits would have learned their lesson after having royally fucked up the India/Pakistan/Bangladesh thing.Karbin wrote:
Answer the question, please.
In light of the Balfour Declaration of 1917.
Now, answer the question.
Would there be a Jewish population there.
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And your still ducking the questionCameronPoe wrote:
I don't agree with the Balfour Declaration of 1917 - a document that incidentally had no legal basis and actually specifically mentioned that any such homeland should not impinge upon the indigenous inhabitants of the region, i.e. the Palestinians! It was a nonsense declaration by a patronising cunt who had no moral right to be making decisions and declarations that would negatively impact on millions of people in a far flung land. You'd think the Brits would have learned their lesson after having royally fucked up the India/Pakistan/Bangladesh thing.Karbin wrote:
Answer the question, please.
In light of the Balfour Declaration of 1917.
Now, answer the question.
Would there be a Jewish population there.
Oh...India/Pakistan/Bangladesh happened AFTER WW2. 47-48 I think. We are talking 1917 here.
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Now I recognise that Hamas are cunts but have a gander at this excerpt from their charter:Karbin wrote:
And your still ducking the questionCameronPoe wrote:
I don't agree with the Balfour Declaration of 1917 - a document that incidentally had no legal basis and actually specifically mentioned that any such homeland should not impinge upon the indigenous inhabitants of the region, i.e. the Palestinians! It was a nonsense declaration by a patronising cunt who had no moral right to be making decisions and declarations that would negatively impact on millions of people in a far flung land. You'd think the Brits would have learned their lesson after having royally fucked up the India/Pakistan/Bangladesh thing.Karbin wrote:
Answer the question, please.
In light of the Balfour Declaration of 1917.
Now, answer the question.
Would there be a Jewish population there.
And in answering your question I answer no.Article 31 wrote:
Hamas is a humane movement, which cares for human rights and is committed to the tolerance inherent in Islam as regards attitudes towards other religions. It is only hostile to those who are hostile towards it, or stand in its way in order to disturb its moves or to frustrate its efforts.
Under the shadow of Islam it is possible for the members of the three religions: Islam, Christianity and Judaism to coexist in safety and security. Safety and security can only prevail under the shadow of Islam, and recent and ancient history is the best witness to that effect. The members of other religions must desist from struggling against Islam over sovereignty in this region. For if they were to gain the upper hand, fighting, torture and uprooting would follow; they would be fed up with each other, to say nothing of members of other religions. The past and the present are full of evidence to that effect.
They will not fight you in body safe in fortified villages or from behind wells. Their adversity among themselves is very great. Ye think of them as a whole whereas their hearts are diverse. That is because they are a folk who have no sense. Sura 59 (al-Hashr, the Exile), verse 14
Islam accords his rights to everyone who has rights and averts aggression against the rights of others. The Nazi Zionist practices against our people will not last the lifetime of their invasion, for "states built upon oppression last only one hour, states based upon justice will last until the hour of Resurrection."
Allah forbids you not those who warred not against you on account of religion and drove you not out from your houses, that you should show them kindness and deal justly with them. Lo! Allah loves the just dealers. Sura 60 (Al-Mumtahana), verse 8
And D'oh on my part for the India thing.
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If they had their own state and of Israel is rocketed, then Israel can make a formal declaration of war. Their "own state" would make the Palestinians an attacking nation rather than a nebulous commingler.
We have seen what happens to "Safety and Security under the shadow of Islam". Iran run by Mulas, Afghanistan under the Taliban.. need we look farther?CameronPoe wrote:
Now I recognise that Hamas are cunts but have a gander at this excerpt from their charter:Karbin wrote:
And your still ducking the questionCameronPoe wrote:
I don't agree with the Balfour Declaration of 1917 - a document that incidentally had no legal basis and actually specifically mentioned that any such homeland should not impinge upon the indigenous inhabitants of the region, i.e. the Palestinians! It was a nonsense declaration by a patronising cunt who had no moral right to be making decisions and declarations that would negatively impact on millions of people in a far flung land. You'd think the Brits would have learned their lesson after having royally fucked up the India/Pakistan/Bangladesh thing.And in answering your question I answer no.Article 31 wrote:
Hamas is a humane movement, which cares for human rights and is committed to the tolerance inherent in Islam as regards attitudes towards other religions. It is only hostile to those who are hostile towards it, or stand in its way in order to disturb its moves or to frustrate its efforts.
Under the shadow of Islam it is possible for the members of the three religions: Islam, Christianity and Judaism to coexist in safety and security. Safety and security can only prevail under the shadow of Islam, and recent and ancient history is the best witness to that effect. The members of other religions must desist from struggling against Islam over sovereignty in this region. For if they were to gain the upper hand, fighting, torture and uprooting would follow; they would be fed up with each other, to say nothing of members of other religions. The past and the present are full of evidence to that effect.
They will not fight you in body safe in fortified villages or from behind wells. Their adversity among themselves is very great. Ye think of them as a whole whereas their hearts are diverse. That is because they are a folk who have no sense. Sura 59 (al-Hashr, the Exile), verse 14
Islam accords his rights to everyone who has rights and averts aggression against the rights of others. The Nazi Zionist practices against our people will not last the lifetime of their invasion, for "states built upon oppression last only one hour, states based upon justice will last until the hour of Resurrection."
Allah forbids you not those who warred not against you on account of religion and drove you not out from your houses, that you should show them kindness and deal justly with them. Lo! Allah loves the just dealers. Sura 60 (Al-Mumtahana), verse 8
You do realise that some 25,000 Jews live in Iran? Tehran has over 20 synagogues.Karbin wrote:
We have seen what happens to "Safety and Security under the shadow of Islam". Iran run by Mulas, Afghanistan under the Taliban.. need we look farther?
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Not allowed to leave and have no rights against a Islamic person in practise. There law says the opposite but, the reality is no rights.CameronPoe wrote:
You do realise that some 25,000 Jews live in Iran?Karbin wrote:
We have seen what happens to "Safety and Security under the shadow of Islam". Iran run by Mullahs, Afghanistan under the Taliban.. need we look farther?
They are allowed to leave. Back this nonsense up! It's kind of beside the point anyway - they ain't dead and they ain't been 'run out of town'. Period.Karbin wrote:
Not allowed to leave and have no rights against a Islamic person in practise. There law says the opposite but, the reality is no rights.CameronPoe wrote:
You do realise that some 25,000 Jews live in Iran?Karbin wrote:
We have seen what happens to "Safety and Security under the shadow of Islam". Iran run by Mullahs, Afghanistan under the Taliban.. need we look farther?
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loss of territory is the risk you take when you start a fuckin war and lose. You have all of your toys taken away.AussieReaper wrote:
Why?Harmor wrote:
Why should we allow Palestinians to have their own state if half their government are terrorists who indiscriminately send rockets into civilian areas of Israel?
Whose people support suicide bomber killing dozens of civilians at a time?
Whose people support these war crimes?
Why? Am I missing something here? Shouldn't we expect the Palestinians to moderate first before we ever concede anything to them?
Why do Palestinians deserve a state?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … ments).gif
Why don't they deserve a state? Do the Israeli's have right to land which was never part of the '49 Armistice or the '47 UN plan?
http://www.teeth.com.pk/blog/wp-content … %20map.jpg
Palestinians aren't going to have a state much longer at this rate...
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They didn't start it Mr.HistoryVacuum.lowing wrote:
loss of territory is the risk you take when you start a fuckin war and lose. You have all of your toys taken away.AussieReaper wrote:
Why?Harmor wrote:
Why should we allow Palestinians to have their own state if half their government are terrorists who indiscriminately send rockets into civilian areas of Israel?
Whose people support suicide bomber killing dozens of civilians at a time?
Whose people support these war crimes?
Why? Am I missing something here? Shouldn't we expect the Palestinians to moderate first before we ever concede anything to them?
Why do Palestinians deserve a state?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … ments).gif
Why don't they deserve a state? Do the Israeli's have right to land which was never part of the '49 Armistice or the '47 UN plan?
http://www.teeth.com.pk/blog/wp-content … %20map.jpg
Palestinians aren't going to have a state much longer at this rate...
quite the selective counter point there Cam, I caught it.CameronPoe wrote:
They are allowed to leave. Back this nonsense up! It's kind of beside the point anyway - they ain't dead and they ain't been 'run out of town'. Period.Karbin wrote:
Not allowed to leave and have no rights against a Islamic person in practise. There law says the opposite but, the reality is no rights.CameronPoe wrote:
You do realise that some 25,000 Jews live in Iran?
Karbin was trying to suggest the above. Hence the selectivity. Try reading all the posts for a change.lowing wrote:
quite the selective counter point there Cam, I caught it.CameronPoe wrote:
They are allowed to leave. Back this nonsense up! It's kind of beside the point anyway - they ain't dead and they ain't been 'run out of town'. Period.Karbin wrote:
Not allowed to leave and have no rights against a Islamic person in practise. There law says the opposite but, the reality is no rights.
wow and how many slaves lived in the US 150 years ago. Merely living in a country does not make your point of serenity Cam.CameronPoe wrote:
You do realise that some 25,000 Jews live in Iran? Tehran has over 20 synagogues.Karbin wrote:
We have seen what happens to "Safety and Security under the shadow of Islam". Iran run by Mulas, Afghanistan under the Taliban.. need we look farther?