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Will they serve babyback ribs?

While we're at it can we get them to celebrate Waitangi Day? I say this just 'cause no-one here does as it's a crock of shit national day.

Kmarion wrote:

ATG wrote:

Outrageous.
We should stay the non-functioning-course.


The bottom line is, our tactics have not worked to date.

Change for the sake of change. I've heard that somewhere before.

Change for the sake of not looking quite as prickish as before.

usmarine wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Change for the sake of change. I've heard that somewhere before.

Change for the sake of not looking quite as prickish as before.

weak dude.  weak

Well hey, if you like pissing off the majority of the world, go right ahead, but Obama is actually trying the sensible route.

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

ATG wrote:

Outrageous.
We should stay the non-functioning-course.


The bottom line is, our tactics have not worked to date.

Change for the sake of change. I've heard that somewhere before.

Change for the sake of not looking quite as prickish as before.

Go getem champ..

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Change for the sake of change. I've heard that somewhere before.

Change for the sake of not looking quite as prickish as before.

Go getem champ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h3GPc_yMCE

Diplomacy is a lot cheaper than war.

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Change for the sake of not looking quite as prickish as before.

Go getem champ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h3GPc_yMCE

Diplomacy is a lot cheaper than war.

So is a box of fucking corn flakes... who said war?

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Go getem champ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h3GPc_yMCE

Diplomacy is a lot cheaper than war.

So is a box of fucking corn flakes... who said war?

Whoa...  chill dude.  All I'm saying is that it's better we try to talk with Iran than continue bugging them about nukes.  Pakistan is the country we should be worried about.

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

So is a box of fucking corn flakes... who said war?

Whoa...  chill dude.  All I'm saying is that it's better we try to talk with Iran than continue bugging them about nukes.  Pakistan is the country we should be worried about.

I am chill... biznotch. I'm tired of hearing war war war.. the fuxk. No normal descent human being wants war. But if you want respect you earn it. Especially in middle eastern cultures.

Well yeah, but you don't earn it by demonizing foreign leaders.

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

I am chill... biznotch. I'm tired of hearing war war war.. the fuxk. No normal descent human being wants war. But if you want respect you earn it. Especially in middle eastern cultures.

Well yeah, but you don't earn it by demonizing foreign leaders.

Yes you can. They may not like you, but they'll respect you.

Well, I think Ahmadinejad already fears us.  That's basically the most respect you'll get out of him given the Bush approach.  It's also why he's interested in getting nukes.

With Obama, it's a matter of trying to normalize relations with Iran.  If that means inviting over a few diplomats, I don't see why that's a problem.

Kmarion wrote:

We should not have normal relations with them until they address their civil rights issues. Same goes for every other oppressive state on this planet. Believe it or not the United States is still a very desirable global partner. Because of this we are in a position to make a real difference. This isn't so much about nukes as it is about equal rights and civil liberties for all. That was our charter as a nation. In this sense lately we have been going in the wrong direction.

Ideally, I agree, but before we can do that, we'd have to end our ties with Saudi Arabia, Israel, and China, which isn't going to happen.

Besides, more often than not, our concerns are economic, not social.  We make a big show of supporting democracy and human rights, but in the end, we spend more time subverting governments that aren't convenient to our business interests (like in Latin America during much of the Cold War) or allying with oppressive regimes that serve a business or strategic purpose (like Saddam in the beginning).

So, much as it would be nice to have relations based on human rights and such, that's probably not going to happen much.

If it's any consolation, all those countries in Europe that bitch at us for not being concerned enough about human rights are doing the exact same thing.  Invading Iraq was a stupid idea, but it's not like the Oil for Food Scandal was moral (thanks, France).