Air France Flight Vanishes - All hands feared lost.

2009-06-01 10:21:23

#1

FatherTed: xD; +3,936|6590|so randum

BBC wrote:
An Air France plane carrying 228 people from Brazil to France has vanished over the Atlantic after flying into turbulence, airline officials say.

The Airbus sent an automatic message at 0214 GMT, four hours after leaving Rio de Janeiro, reporting a short circuit. It may have been damaged by lightning.

It was well over the ocean when it was lost, making Brazilian and French search planes' task more difficult.

France's president said the chances of finding survivors were "very small".

https://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45853000/jpg/_45853758_007423654-1.jpg

Flight AF 447 left Rio at 1900 local time (2200 GMT) on Sunday. It had 216 passengers and 12 crew on board, including three pilots. The passengers included one infant, seven children, 82 women and 126 men.

Some 60 Brazilians are said to have been aboard. Other passengers included between 40 and 60 French people, and at least 20 Germans, the French government said.

Six Danes, five Italians, three Moroccans and two Libyans are also believed to have been aboard, while the UK fears that some of its citizens were also passengers.

https://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45852000/gif/_45852693_plane_crash2_466.gif

It was an Airbus 330-200, what are they're (and Air France's) safety record?

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2009-06-01 10:39:53

#2

ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|6740

TBF Ted, your thread is a lot better than the one in EE

2009-06-01 10:47:25

#3

tahadar: Sniper!!; +183|6829|Pakistan/England

the a330 had a really good safety record, news article says only prior fatal accident occured when the plane was being flight tested 15 yrs ago. air france also has a good safety record. they had an a340 crash on landing in canada in 05, the sucker burnt to the ground pretty fast but there were zero fatalities as everyone left the plane within 90 seconds (more to do with crew/flight attendant training than anything else i would say!)

2009-06-01 10:48:02

#4

GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6505|Finland

I find it odd that the automated electrical fault message went off 15 mins after the plane disappeared off the radar.

My bets are on the fact something exploded in the plane, it sank to ocean which triggered the electrical fault signal.

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2009-06-01 10:49:23

#5

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|6852

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
I find it odd that the automated electrical fault message went off 15 mins after the plane disappeared off the radar.

My bets are on the fact something exploded in the plane, it sank to ocean which triggered the electrical fault signal.

it wouldnt send a message if it was sinking dude. thats sent thru satcom.

2009-06-01 10:50:43

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GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6505|Finland

usmarine wrote:
GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
I find it odd that the automated electrical fault message went off 15 mins after the plane disappeared off the radar.

My bets are on the fact something exploded in the plane, it sank to ocean which triggered the electrical fault signal.
it wouldnt send a message if it was sinking dude. thats sent thru satcom.

What if a piece of the plane floated a while before it sank?

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2009-06-01 10:52:13

#7

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|6852

on the airbus it would only send a message if the electrical system was working. electrical fault message can mean anything. the plane has hundreds of electrical components.

2009-06-01 10:54:54

#8

GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6505|Finland

But what happened in the 15 minutes then?

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2009-06-01 10:56:53

#9

FatherTed: xD; +3,936|6590|so randum

im guessing

electrical fault - sends the signal

electrics cut out, manual overrides

due to the turbulence, pilot loses it and trys for a water landing

breaks up on impact.

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2009-06-01 10:57:33

#10

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GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
But what happened in the 15 minutes then?

i dunno. you can get from 41,000ft down to the ground in 10 minutes in an emergency (did it in the simulator a few times)

2009-06-01 11:02:16

#11

GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6505|Finland

It must have been major failure of somekind if it took out all communication equipment, even backups, all at once.

If it was simple electronics failure in one system, the pilots would have had plenty of time to at least radio the situation. Aren't the planes full of backups for that kind of situations anyway? Like this is 21st century, its not like they haven't thought about a possibility of electronics fail.

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2009-06-01 11:41:17

#12

Flecco: iPod is broken.; +1,048|6755|NT, like Mick Dundee

My 2nd cousin helps build Airbus engines. He's a machinist at one of their plants.

RIP to the survivors. Hopefully the S&R teams can at least recover the bodies, so the families can have the benefit of proper funerals to help with their grief.

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2009-06-01 12:53:03

#13

ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|6740

To the karma person that called me a brown tongued bastard, you're damn right I am. My tongue is so far up Ted's ass that I'm polishing the back of his eyeballs.

2009-06-01 12:54:03

#14

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|6852

lewl

2009-06-01 12:58:05

#15

FatherTed: xD; +3,936|6590|so randum

feels good too.

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2009-06-01 13:05:34

#16

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6742|USA

"If its not BOEING, I'm not GOING"

I am curious how anyone knows the airplane hit severe turbulance when;

1. The pilots did not report it

2. The airplane has no reporting system for it.

I think this is a bunch of "experts" trying to get their 15 minutes speculating on complete unknowns.

2009-06-01 13:12:21

#17

FatherTed: xD; +3,936|6590|so randum

Im guessing they assumed according to the planes known position, altitude and current weather conditions in the area.

thats just an assumption though.

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2009-06-01 13:17:12

#18

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FatherTed wrote:
Im guessing they assumed according to the planes known position, altitude and current weather conditions in the area.

thats just an assumption though.

It is not right for them to project fact on assumptions.....and if they have the planes known position, they would have found something by now.

2009-06-01 13:20:56

#19

Flecco: iPod is broken.; +1,048|6755|NT, like Mick Dundee

lowing wrote:
FatherTed wrote:
Im guessing they assumed according to the planes known position, altitude and current weather conditions in the area.

thats just an assumption though.
It is not right for them to project fact on assumptions.....and if they have the planes known position, they would have found something by now.

I'd say they'd be guessing about the plane's position really. Given the transponder dropped out they probably had a projected route for the plane to take and that route probably had turbulence-inducing conditions along it.

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2009-06-01 13:26:43

#20

Racoon_Flyer: Member; +10|6025|Cambridge, UK

As far as I know they did report Turbulence.

2009-06-01 13:27:03

#21

King_County_Downy: shitfaced; +2,791|6688|Seattle

Update: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20090601/tw … 5ebb3.html

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2009-06-01 13:27:52

#22

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|6852

terrorists......baptist terrorists

2009-06-01 14:16:49

#23

Ioan92: Member; +337|5813

lowing wrote:
"If its not BOEING, I'm not GOING"

Oh for fuck sake. I hope you're joking.

2009-06-01 14:18:44

#24

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|6852

Ioan92 wrote:
lowing wrote:
"If its not BOEING, I'm not GOING"
Oh for fuck sake. I hope you're joking.

i aint joking. i hate scarebusses

2009-06-01 14:27:04

#25

Ioan92: Member; +337|5813

You realize its like saying "I'm choosing a Corvette because I'm scared to ride in a Mercedes."

Those Airbus vs Boeing arguments are plain stupid and pointless. There all planes, they all fly, they all crash, same shit.

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