lowing
Banned
+1,662|6949|USA
I will remain consistent in saying this cop was wrong and should be punished.

In the other threads the examples used were people running from the police, ( not an ambulance going to the hospital), people in the other threads were driving dangerous and wreckless with no control over their vehicles and complete disregard for the safety of people around them as they tried to escape capture. This scenerio is completely different from the other OP's. No comparison whatsoever.
Also I specifically said that my comments and opinions were regulated to situations like the other OP's. This situation is not the same, hence I have a different opinion.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,817|6404|eXtreme to the maX
Meh, the Police are always right, the guy was black = obviously a workshy criminal, probably an illegal immigrant.
I'd have given him +1 if he'd shot the guy for dissing him, beaten up the camera guy and trashed his camera, arrested the second paramedic for plotting terrorism and sent him to Gitmo.
I've never had any trouble with the Police cause I'm white and not a moslem, its obvious the police never lie, commit crimes, fit anyone up or beat the hell out of random people while in a roid rage, anyone who says different is black, a moslem or a terrorist, probably all three.
Fuck Israel
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6949|USA

Dilbert_X wrote:

Meh, the Police are always right, the guy was black = obviously a workshy criminal, probably an illegal immigrant.
I'd have given him +1 if he'd shot the guy for dissing him, beaten up the camera guy and trashed his camera, arrested the second paramedic for plotting terrorism and sent him to Gitmo.
I've never had any trouble with the Police cause I'm white and not a moslem, its obvious the police never lie, commit crimes, fit anyone up or beat the hell out of random people while in a roid rage, anyone who says different is black, a moslem or a terrorist, probably all three.
Well if you are trying to mock me, I take comfort in the fact that I never said any of that bullshit nor even implied it. Merely your lame attempt at trying to prove a point you do not have through sarcasm I suppose.
Locoloki
I got Mug 222 at Gritty's!!!!
+216|6938|Your moms bedroom

Stubbee wrote:

The guys in red are obvious criminals in need of a beatdown.

Paramedic report

This the black EMT's report.
the white drivers report is also at the bottom of the page.

funny how the dude who wasnt even driving gets put in a chokehold... oh wait... hes black he must be a drug dealer in disguise
S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6816|Montucky
I would really like to comment on the OP but this is why i won't.

For starters.  I am the ONLY regular here with ANY experience as a Law Enforcement Officer.  So I see things alot differently than all of you.
I was an Active Duty Deputy Sheriff and now currently a Reserve for personal reasons that isn't any of your business.

Next I picked apart the OP's "Source" and found it biased against cops. *this sounds familiar with the whole FoxNews bullshit*

My side of the story
My name is Carlos Miller and I am a multimedia journalist who was arrested by Miami police after taking photos of them against their wishes, a clear violation of my First Amendment rights

I found that on the home page. 


Next nobody here can listen to reason and could possibly understand anything about this situation as I would explain it. infact I spent the last hour trying to type out an explanation only to come to the conclusion that it'd either get skipped or not read in is entirety and honeslty it pissed me off to begin with. 


So I'm not going to defend or Condone actions.
xBlackPantherx
Grow up, or die
+142|6641|California
What.The.Fuck? is wrong with our cops?
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6949|USA

S3v3N wrote:

I would really like to comment on the OP but this is why i won't.

For starters.  I am the ONLY regular here with ANY experience as a Law Enforcement Officer.  So I see things alot differently than all of you.
I was an Active Duty Deputy Sheriff and now currently a Reserve for personal reasons that isn't any of your business.

Next I picked apart the OP's "Source" and found it biased against cops. *this sounds familiar with the whole FoxNews bullshit*

My side of the story
My name is Carlos Miller and I am a multimedia journalist who was arrested by Miami police after taking photos of them against their wishes, a clear violation of my First Amendment rights

I found that on the home page. 


Next nobody here can listen to reason and could possibly understand anything about this situation as I would explain it. infact I spent the last hour trying to type out an explanation only to come to the conclusion that it'd either get skipped or not read in is entirety and honeslty it pissed me off to begin with. 


So I'm not going to defend or Condone actions.
I would be interesting in your perspective of this scenario, either in this thread or in PM.
S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6816|Montucky
Fuck it, I'll go for broke.  Give me a bit to reword, paraphrase update and whatnot.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6949|USA

S3v3N wrote:

Fuck it, I'll go for broke.  Give me a bit to reword, paraphrase update and whatnot.
sounds good.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6827|Global Command

S3v3N wrote:

I would really like to comment on the OP but this is why i won't.

For starters.  I am the ONLY regular here with ANY experience as a Law Enforcement Officer.  So I see things alot differently than all of you.
I was an Active Duty Deputy Sheriff and now currently a Reserve for personal reasons that isn't any of your business.

Next I picked apart the OP's "Source" and found it biased against cops. *this sounds familiar with the whole FoxNews bullshit*

My side of the story
My name is Carlos Miller and I am a multimedia journalist who was arrested by Miami police after taking photos of them against their wishes, a clear violation of my First Amendment rights

I found that on the home page. 


Next nobody here can listen to reason and could possibly understand anything about this situation as I would explain it. infact I spent the last hour trying to type out an explanation only to come to the conclusion that it'd either get skipped or not read in is entirety and honeslty it pissed me off to begin with. 


So I'm not going to defend or Condone actions.
I too would like an explanation from your experience.
It should prove interesting.  https://i26.tinypic.com/2niptsl.gif
Man With No Name
جندي
+148|5873|The Wild West

S3v3N wrote:

I would really like to comment on the OP but this is why i won't.

For starters.  I am the ONLY regular here with ANY experience as a Law Enforcement Officer.  So I see things alot differently than all of you.
I was an Active Duty Deputy Sheriff and now currently a Reserve for personal reasons that isn't any of your business.

Next I picked apart the OP's "Source" and found it biased against cops. *this sounds familiar with the whole FoxNews bullshit*

My side of the story
My name is Carlos Miller and I am a multimedia journalist who was arrested by Miami police after taking photos of them against their wishes, a clear violation of my First Amendment rights

I found that on the home page. 


Next nobody here can listen to reason and could possibly understand anything about this situation as I would explain it. infact I spent the last hour trying to type out an explanation only to come to the conclusion that it'd either get skipped or not read in is entirety and honeslty it pissed me off to begin with. 


So I'm not going to defend or Condone actions.
I may not be a cop but ive been the victim of corrupt police.  I was arrested for obstruction.  I fought the case in court for 10 months, still ended up paying a few hundred dollars.  The sherriffs deputies that arrested me LIED on the arrest report.  In court, the officer's word is trusted over all others so even though they lied on the report, it still held up in court.

Im not ragging on cops, but you know that kinda shit happens a lot.
Locoloki
I got Mug 222 at Gritty's!!!!
+216|6938|Your moms bedroom

S3v3N wrote:

Fuck it, I'll go for broke.  Give me a bit to reword, paraphrase update and whatnot.
Paramedic report

it must be biased, its official
Man With No Name
جندي
+148|5873|The Wild West

Locoloki wrote:

S3v3N wrote:

Fuck it, I'll go for broke.  Give me a bit to reword, paraphrase update and whatnot.
Paramedic report

it must be biased, its official
reports are only as strong as the credibility of the person reporting.
Locoloki
I got Mug 222 at Gritty's!!!!
+216|6938|Your moms bedroom

Man With No Name wrote:

Locoloki wrote:

S3v3N wrote:

Fuck it, I'll go for broke.  Give me a bit to reword, paraphrase update and whatnot.
Paramedic report

it must be biased, its official
reports are only as strong as the credibility of the person reporting.
ok ill trust the paramedic with my life, you trust the cop
Man With No Name
جندي
+148|5873|The Wild West

Locoloki wrote:

Man With No Name wrote:

Locoloki wrote:

Paramedic report

it must be biased, its official
reports are only as strong as the credibility of the person reporting.
ok ill trust the paramedic with my life, you trust the cop
who said Ive even taken a position here?

I trust youre a douche.

Last edited by Man With No Name (2009-05-28 21:57:57)

Reciprocity
Member
+721|6879|the dank(super) side of Oregon
50% of cops are honest, hard working folks who proudly serve their communities.  and you never hear about what these people do because they're professionals.

the other 50% of cops need to carry a gun to accomidate their dangerously low self-esteem.  -these guys make all the headlines
S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6816|Montucky
Background: I'm only commenting on the Youtube Video.
Reason: Due to my training, experience and the way I think, it is the only credible piece to this whole subject.  So in your response don't bring up this article said blah blah blah.  I view all articles on the Internet as opinions and or bullshit, especially concerning Law Enforcement. If you want to get into that debate, we sure can.          I require one of three things to make judgement on a subject such as this. They are, video, audio or a sworn statement before a Judge. 

Experience as a Police Officer; Three Years as a Sworn Deputy Sheriff and 2 years as a Reserve Deputy Sheriff, in total 5 years.  I'm also currently a Corporal.

I cannot pass judgement if the traffic stop was legal or not, no credible evidence has been given.

I cannot pass judgement if the Paramedic warranted an arrest based upon infractions of the law, the Trooper's dash cam will no doubt tell the whole story. 
 

However, this is where it becomes tricky and my Flame suit comes in handy.

I'm not going to quote the laws directly, but if you absolutely insist, i will take time out of my life to dig them out for you. However you have to keep in mind, Montana Laws will differ greatly from Oklahoma.

Once the officer initiated the arrest, regardless if it is warranted or not, you do not have the right to resist.  Plain and Simple.  Now comes into play courts, judges, lawyers, jury trials..  After the officer has imitated the arrest he must place the offender in restraints, detain the individual and give a notice to appear (a ticket).  The NTA is filed with the Prosecuting Attorney and a report recalling the situation and showing proof is then given to the Prosecuting Attorney.

Recall the video of the trooper saying You are under arrest.

The arrest procedure has been initiated. 

But wait.. One trooper places hands on the Paramedic.  The paramedic passively resists by pulling his arm away and tries to re-enter the ambulance.  This is resisting arrest, a misdemeanor.

After the Troopers regain control of the Paramedic, one trooper places his hand upon the neck region forcing the paramedic's body to the back of the ambulance.  He is now partially restrained.  This were a trooper should be placing metal wrist lock restraints aka hand cuffs on the individual. 

Recall the video, an ass chewing occurs and the Paramedic is no longer restrained, he re-enters the ambulance.

Now I can pass some judgement. The alleged assault on the paramedic was justified right up until the officers released him, by means of not placing the Paramedic in custody (hand cuffs, restraints).  Thus is makes it assault.

I'm going to pass judgement on the Troopers in general by means of tactics.

Like i said earlier I have no credible evidence of why the traffic stop was initiated and why the black paramedic was deemed to be arrested.

When the Troopers initialed the arrest, the amount of force used was acceptable. I'm definitely not getting into a Continuum of Force debate with you people.

Not completing the arrest turns this whole thing into a huge assault, lawsuit waiting to happen.  All the Troopers had to do was restrain him, issue the NTAs and let him go.  Or if he was being a "good boy" issue the NTAs (Which complete the arrest procedure and now its on the Troopers and Prosecuting Attorney's back to prove the ticket(s) were justified.

Now I'm looking at the fucktard running around with his Camera Phone. He should have been restrained or removed from the scene. He is could have been a danger to the trooper's welfare.  When I started watching the video, I knew it wasn't going to end well simply because the troopers weren't aware of their surroundings.


With that being said, its an extremely messed up situation handled poorly by the Troopers and the Paramedics.  I'd really like to view the dash cam of the trooper's vehicle to deliver a final judgement.



On a side not, if you're still reading.  An unwritten rule about EMS/Fire Departments/Doctors/Nurses  unless they fuck up so severely they harm another human being, you don't involve an arrest or ticket.  If its something as minor as a traffic infraction.. pull the driver to the side and chew some ass.  Why you might ask?  When a cop gets shot/stabbed/fucked up, who saves the Cop?  A goddamn EMT/Nurse/Doctor.  IF your house is burning and you just gave the engineer a ticket for driving his pumper truck 2 miles an over the speed limit.  Kiss your house good bye.



Sweet Chocolate Covered Jesus I'm tired.
S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6816|Montucky

Locoloki wrote:

S3v3N wrote:

Fuck it, I'll go for broke.  Give me a bit to reword, paraphrase update and whatnot.
Paramedic report

it must be biased, its official
I didn' say its biased, i never passed any sort of judgement on it.

Also its not official.
Diesel_dyk
Object in mirror will feel larger than it appears
+178|6292|Truthistan
The cop should have backed down when he found out that they were transporting a patient and he should have backed down fast... But I guess that then that would mean that the uppity N**** would have gotten the better of the wanna be nazi cop with small dick and daddy anger issues.

In other instances where stuff like this occurs in less serious cases where a cop stops a person from rushing to SEE a dieing relative, they are fired.

This case is much more serious and the cop actually stopped the patient from getting to the hospital, whatever the cop thought the paramedic was guilty of was irrelevant compared to the needs of the patient seeking medical attention. The cop should be fired and charged with felonious assault on the paramedic. There is a reason why there is a law against assaulting a paramedic in the course of their duties.

Anyway, most of the posts that go the cop did this and the paramedic did that, and may be they are not  credible.
The simple fact is that the patient should have gotten to the hospital unhindered by the cop period. If the cop was able to use the radio to blurt out a complaint about how the ambulance was being driven, then he could have just as easily used the radio to ask if they were transporting a patient. There was absolutely no reason to stop the ambulance, the cop could have simply followed it, let the patient get to the hospital, and then air out his asinine complaint. The law should protect the paramedic such that it works to protect the patient... the cop was in the wrong big time the moment he stopped the ambulance and kept it from getting to the hospital. the tiff between the paramedic and the cop is a red herring, the paramedic and the cop shared the responsiblity to get that patient to the hospital, the cop failed because he let his emotion override his judgment.


Welcome to Oklahoma how bad does it have to be until it is impossibly bad
Cop: "respect my authoritah"
Black guy: "you touch me and you're committing a felony"
Cop: "what? what!, I'll teach you you you uppity blank blank, try'n to show me up with UR edumaKshun"
Black guy: "my patient needs me to get her to a hospital"
Cop: (Turns a violent shad of red) I shur feel like shoot'n UR ass boy
Black Guy: "my patient is dieing we have to get her to the hospital"
Cop: "well well I'm gonna shoot her too right after I finish choking you."
Black guy: "Here choke on this"

Anyway I glad that the family member shot the video, helps poke a hole in the blue wall of silence. May be this cop with emotional issues will be be able to use his illegal choke hold on a big black mamba when he goes to jail, lord knows he couldn't get his girly hands around that black guys throat. Whatta putz.
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5883

Usually give the police the benefit of the doubt but why the hell would you pull over an ambulance?
DrunkFace
Germans did 911
+427|6979|Disaster Free Zone

Macbeth wrote:

Usually give the police the benefit of the doubt but why the hell would you pull over an ambulance?
Because he has a superiority complex and knows he is on the low totem pole of emergency vehicles.
Ambulance>Fire>Police.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,817|6404|eXtreme to the maX

S3V3N wrote:

Now I'm looking at the fucktard running around with his Camera Phone. He should have been restrained or removed from the scene. He is could have been a danger to the trooper's welfare.
Why exactly?
I thought cameras were pretty harmless, unless you're doing something you don't want photographed.

In my experience the majority of Police are hardworking, honest, law-abiding etc.
But there is a significant minority who join up mainly so they can be the big dog in the park.

GS wrote:

Im not ragging on cops, but you know that kinda shit happens a lot.
It happens way to much.
Fuck Israel
Ilocano
buuuurrrrrrppppp.......
+341|6965

S3v3N wrote:

Recall the video of the trooper saying You are under arrest.

The arrest procedure has been initiated.
Wait, you arrest people for "failing to yield"?
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6481|Ireland
The ambulance driver should check his mirrors and not flip of police officers.
S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6816|Montucky

Dilbert_X wrote:

S3V3N wrote:

Now I'm looking at the fucktard running around with his Camera Phone. He should have been restrained or removed from the scene. He is could have been a danger to the trooper's welfare.
Why exactly?
I thought cameras were pretty harmless, unless you're doing something you don't want photographed.

In my experience the majority of Police are hardworking, honest, law-abiding etc.
But there is a significant minority who join up mainly so they can be the big dog in the park.

GS wrote:

Im not ragging on cops, but you know that kinda shit happens a lot.
It happens way to much.
You absolutely have to assume that everybody you encounter after you pull them over or respond to a call is going to murder you.  You live longer.

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