| yes, but it is still torture | 31% | 31% - 14 | ||||
| yes, is it really torture if a person would volunteer? | 35% | 35% - 16 | ||||
| no, it is torture | 31% | 31% - 14 | ||||
| no, it is not torture but noway Jose' | 2% | 2% - 1 | ||||
| Total: 45 | ||||||
Yeah, 3 is the currently known number and probably the true number.Kmarion wrote:
Whats the running total of detainees waterboarded 3?
Keep your gay sex posts in your gay sex thread.Macbeth wrote:
Some people enjoy choking during intercourse, both the act of choking and the feeling of being chocked.
The ball-peen hammer treatment would be far worse. The order is like so: waterboarding, prison, finger smashing. Treating people who have a universal right to a presumption of innocence until proven guilty is when the physical molestation of waterboarding/finger smashing becomes a problem. It's funny watching some of you yanks desperately trying to justify this regression in how justice is applied/served.Lotta_Drool wrote:
Ok, here is one for the Irish folks just because it is funny to watch them try to think:
I like many people have smashed my fingers and toes numerous times with hammers, rocks, doors, and furniture being dropped on them. Hell, I grew up farming and worked on M1 tanks so my hands have been beat to shit. Having the ends of fingers smash really sucks but it is part of life for many people.
Would you consider someone taking a ball-peen hammer or a vice to a person's fingers torture? Would it be more of less torture than waterboarding? Please rank the order of worse torture/treatment between fingers being smashed, waterboarding, and 4 months in prison. Then put them in order of first to last of which you would be most willing to endure if you had to pick one?
Please, no flappy head canadian answers. eh.
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It is funny how you can't comphrehend that these are not US citizens or enemy soldiers so they are guilty as soon as the US military/CIA capture them.CameronPoe wrote:
The ball-peen hammer treatment would be far worse. The order is like so: waterboarding, prison, finger smashing. Treating people who have a universal right to a presumption of innocence until proven guilty is when the physical molestation of waterboarding/finger smashing becomes a problem. It's funny watching some of you yanks desperately trying to justify this regression in how justice is applied/served.Lotta_Drool wrote:
Ok, here is one for the Irish folks just because it is funny to watch them try to think:
I like many people have smashed my fingers and toes numerous times with hammers, rocks, doors, and furniture being dropped on them. Hell, I grew up farming and worked on M1 tanks so my hands have been beat to shit. Having the ends of fingers smash really sucks but it is part of life for many people.
Would you consider someone taking a ball-peen hammer or a vice to a person's fingers torture? Would it be more of less torture than waterboarding? Please rank the order of worse torture/treatment between fingers being smashed, waterboarding, and 4 months in prison. Then put them in order of first to last of which you would be most willing to endure if you had to pick one?
Please, no flappy head canadian answers. eh.
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It's funny how your moral compass won't afford people the right to be treated as innocent until proven guilty if they happen to come from beyond the borders of your country. What that says to me is that you're basically a cunt with shoddy principles. What that says to you about me probably is that I'm a liberal wiener who doesn't believe America is the ruler of the world and who doesn't believe in getting the baddies in the 'war on terror'. What is also a little odd is that you don't view these people are foreign soldiers (if proven to be fighting for the likes of Al Qaeda) - it's just semantic bullshit dodging of the international rules of war - but then again you guys do make the rules and are prepared to act the cunt cos nobody can say squat to you.Lotta_Drool wrote:
It is funny how you can't comphrehend that these are not US citizens or enemy soldiers so they are guilty as soon as the US military/CIA capture them.
Democrats invented trials and BS for them.
I don't give a toss about your fucking constitution. I'm taking about what is right and fair in terms of innate morality. Not being soldiers of 'any government' is as I already said: bullshit semantics. The Taliban were the soldiers of the Afghan government: I guess they were afforded full rights, eh?? If US soldiers are presumed guilty until proven innocent then your military justice system is a pack of shit. Fair enough play the 'we can do what we want with them' card if you want but it won't change the minds of anybody with a hint of morality and a proper sense of justice that any form of excessive physical molestation of the accused can be warranted.Lotta_Drool wrote:
It is funny how you can't comphrehend that these are not US citizens or enemy soldiers so they are guilty as soon as the US military/CIA capture them.
A: they are not US citizens or on US soil. constitution does not apply to them.
B: they are not soldiers of ANY government. they belong to nobody
C: no governments even claim them as their citizens, even if they did they are still property of US military
D: Even US soldiers on military trial are guilty until proven innocent
E: The US can do whatever they want with/to them. Just like the soldiers could have killed them in battle vs taking them prisoner.
Democrats invented trials and BS for them.
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Ut-oh, people caught in battle making war on US or US soldiers were waterboarded instead of shot like the 50,000+ other people in Iraq that have been shot without a trial. I suppose if we used non-lethial force on the 50,000 of them we would have to have trials for all of them and not waterboard them because they are innocent till proven guilty.CameronPoe wrote:
It's funny how your moral compass won't afford people the right to be treated as innocent until proven guilty if they happen to come from beyond the borders of your country. What that says to me is that you're basically a cunt with shoddy principles. What that says to you about me probably is that I'm a liberal wiener who doesn't believe America is the ruler of the world and who doesn't believe in getting the baddies in the 'war on terror'. What is also a little odd is that you don't view these people are foreign soldiers (if proven to be fighting for the likes of Al Qaeda) - it's just semantic bullshit dodging of the international rules of war - but then again you guys do make the rules and are prepared to act the cunt cos nobody can say squat to you.Lotta_Drool wrote:
It is funny how you can't comphrehend that these are not US citizens or enemy soldiers so they are guilty as soon as the US military/CIA capture them.
Democrats invented trials and BS for them.
Stopped reading there. I'll see myself out.CameronPoe wrote:
I don't give a toss about your fucking constitution. I'm taking about what is right and fair in terms of innate morality.
The brave heart dude must have been Scottish because the Irish seem a little pussified when it comes to war.CameronPoe wrote:
I don't give a toss about your fucking constitution. I'm taking about what is right and fair in terms of innate morality. Not being soldiers of 'any government' is as I already said: bullshit semantics. The Taliban were the soldiers of the Afghan government: I guess they were afforded full rights, eh?? If US soldiers are presumed guilty until proven innocent then your military justice system is a pack of shit. Fair enough play the 'we can do what we want with them' card if you want but it won't change the minds of anybody with a hint of morality and a proper sense of justice that any form of excessive physical molestation of the accused can be warranted.Lotta_Drool wrote:
It is funny how you can't comphrehend that these are not US citizens or enemy soldiers so they are guilty as soon as the US military/CIA capture them.
A: they are not US citizens or on US soil. constitution does not apply to them.
B: they are not soldiers of ANY government. they belong to nobody
C: no governments even claim them as their citizens, even if they did they are still property of US military
D: Even US soldiers on military trial are guilty until proven innocent
E: The US can do whatever they want with/to them. Just like the soldiers could have killed them in battle vs taking them prisoner.
Democrats invented trials and BS for them.
Then I came back and read that and decided it was time to leave the internet for a more sane place.Lotta_Drool wrote:
The brave heart dude must have been Scottish because the Irish seem a little pussified when it comes to war.
It may come as a surprise to you but many of the people who ended up in Gitmo were subsequently released (often after a considerable period of time) because it turned out that they had just been taken in by militias for ransoms that the US army were handing out for 'enemy combatants', whether they were anything to do with the insurgency or not. Most of these were handed a plane ticket home and a whispered sorry. Now I'm not denying there are a lot of bad cunts in Gitmo - I just contend that the US is not being principled and morally upright in how they are dealing with Al Qaeda, hiding behind semantics to justify their methods. If they're so guilty then try them in a military court. How hard is that ffs? All of this Gitmo shit is one of the main reasons why the rest of the world developed a general dislike for the US under Bush and that's why I had some silly American bitch crying on my shoulder in Prague last week because 'everybody hates us'. But hey, you don't care what anyone non-American thinks so I don't even know why you posted a reply.Lotta_Drool wrote:
Ut-oh, people caught in battle making war on US or US soldiers were waterboarded instead of shot like the 50,000+ other people in Iraq that have been shot without a trial. I suppose if we used non-lethial force on the 50,000 of them we would have to have trials for all of them and not waterboard them because they are innocent till proven guilty.
Stop trying to drink the potatoes over there.
Fair enough. I guess you don't think morality and honest principles extend to other people. We're untermensch I guess.Macbeth wrote:
Stopped reading there. I'll see myself out.CameronPoe wrote:
I don't give a toss about your fucking constitution. I'm taking about what is right and fair in terms of innate morality.
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Braveheart was Scottish. Try watching the movie. The giveaway is in the blue and white facepaint.Lotta_Drool wrote:
The brave heart dude must have been Scottish because the Irish seem a little pussified when it comes to war.
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Wait, what did you say? The US military investigated and released some of them? How unfair, without a trial they just released these people thought to be terrorists by informants. OMG, how fucking evil. I thought all they did was torture and kill in Gitmo. Please don't let the idea get out that this is just the military doing its job in a professional matter because I couldn't live without know that stupid euro fags hate us.CameronPoe wrote:
It may come as a surprise to you but many of the people who ended up in Gitmo were subsequently released (often after a considerable period of time) because it turned out that they had just been taken in by militias for ransoms that the US army were handing out for 'enemy combatants', whether they were anything to do with the insurgency or not. Most of these were handed a plane ticket home and a whispered sorry. Now I'm not denying there are a lot of bad cunts in Gitmo - I just contend that the US is not being principled and morally upright in how they are dealing with Al Qaeda, hiding behind semantics to justify their methods. If they're so guilty then try them in a military court. How hard is that ffs? All of this Gitmo shit is one of the main reasons why the rest of the world developed a general dislike for the US under Bush and that's why I had some silly American bitch crying on my shoulder in Prague last week because 'everybody hates us'. But hey, you don't care what anyone non-American thinks so I don't even know why you posted a reply.Lotta_Drool wrote:
Ut-oh, people caught in battle making war on US or US soldiers were waterboarded instead of shot like the 50,000+ other people in Iraq that have been shot without a trial. I suppose if we used non-lethial force on the 50,000 of them we would have to have trials for all of them and not waterboard them because they are innocent till proven guilty.
Stop trying to drink the potatoes over there.
Thats right, the Irish had green and yellow face paint because that was the color the scottish used under their Kilt.CameronPoe wrote:
Braveheart was Scottish. Try watching the movie. The giveaway is in the blue and white facepaint.Lotta_Drool wrote:
The brave heart dude must have been Scottish because the Irish seem a little pussified when it comes to war.
Why are you still replying to me? Haven't you got a date in McDonald's that you need to get to in your SUV, taking the highway constructed on the skeletal remains of thousands of Arabs, built by the local Jewish lobby?Lotta_Drool wrote:
Wait, what did you say? The US military investigated and released some of them? How unfair, without a trial they just released these people thought to be terrorists by informants. OMG, how fucking evil. I thought all they did was torture and kill in Gitmo. Please don't let the idea get out that this is just the military doing its job in a professional matter because I couldn't live without know that stupid euro fags hate us.
Oh noes, some stupid faggot in europe doesn't like the US because Gitmo wasn't fair, boo fucking hoo. You crack me up.
" that's why I had some silly American bitch crying on my shoulder in Prague last week because 'everybody hates us' "
We have a few million Irishmen over here in America because Ireland sucks ass. Many of them drive big trucks, shoot guns, and voted for Bush. I seriously doubt they give a fuck what you think about anything, nor should they. Just as you probably couldn't give a fuck about me thinking your gun laws and lack of a military has pussified the Irish because the ones I know in America are nothing like you.
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Sadly I can't because we aren't allowed to " humiliate " them anymore. Poor Macbeth is so heart broken over the lack of new pictures that he can't even bring himself to play nude twister with his boyscout leader anymoreCameronPoe wrote:
Now fuck off and go and take some photos of naked piles of 'enemy combatants'.
Then the jihadists are free to do whatever they like to US troops when they capture them.Drool wrote:
The US can do whatever they want with/to them. Just like the soldiers could have killed them in battle vs taking them prisoner.
Were the jihadists considering not cutting off their prisoners heads...?Dilbert_X wrote:
Then the jihadists are free to do whatever they like to US troops when they capture them.Drool wrote:
The US can do whatever they want with/to them. Just like the soldiers could have killed them in battle vs taking them prisoner.
Quit bitching when they cut their heads off.
Hey, it work with the Jews vs the Nazis. I don't recall the Jews ever waterboarding the Nazis and they ..... oh, wait a minute.[TUF]Catbox wrote:
Were the jihadists considering not cutting off their prisoners heads...?Dilbert_X wrote:
Then the jihadists are free to do whatever they like to US troops when they capture them.Drool wrote:
The US can do whatever they want with/to them. Just like the soldiers could have killed them in battle vs taking them prisoner.
Quit bitching when they cut their heads off.
All we have to do is be nice to our prisoners and they will do the same... this is great news...
You sir, are an idiot.Dilbert_X wrote:
Then the jihadists are free to do whatever they like to US troops when they capture them.Drool wrote:
The US can do whatever they want with/to them. Just like the soldiers could have killed them in battle vs taking them prisoner.
Quit bitching when they cut their heads off.
