well who are u to decide if he should've died? you cant judge how much someones life is worth? plus u dont know if all cops are squeaky clean as u portray them... its the way the society functions its not the guy he is simply the product of our society so unless u change certain society components there would be less idiots maybe... ""The United States has 5 percent of the world's population and 25 percent of the world's incarcerated population."lowing wrote:
Nope, the streets are minus 5 good cops. THat piece of shit shoulda died at the scene.Diesel_dyk wrote:
The guy was unconcious, the cops beat an unconcious body.
He was no threat to them, they were working out their frustration on his limp lifeless body.
He's in jail and cops were fired, the public can sleep well at night knowing that the streets are safer on both counts.
Mindless emotionless drones simp.ly are not part of the real world of law enforcement.
adrenaline is the edge a cop has that just might make the difference between life or death for them or you.
I don't think Lowing thinks. We've been going on about this on the other op. He thinks cops are always right and that criminals are always wrong.Flecco wrote:
So you don't believe in the rule of law?lowing wrote:
Nope, the streets are minus 5 good cops. THat piece of shit shoulda died at the scene.Diesel_dyk wrote:
The guy was unconcious, the cops beat an unconcious body.
He was no threat to them, they were working out their frustration on his limp lifeless body.
He's in jail and cops were fired, the public can sleep well at night knowing that the streets are safer on both counts.
Mindless emotionless drones simp.ly are not part of the real world of law enforcement.
adrenaline is the edge a cop has that just might make the difference between life or death for them or you.
But he fails to understand that the public's interests are not necessarily aligned with the cops. The public is also interested in having cops act professionally. But he labels those ideas as cop hater or criminal lover to mask the the fact that the cops were, gasp, wrong on this one.
They beat an unconsious body, why does chasing someone give the cops the right to beat their unconsious body?
When does that right to beat someone stop Lowing? it can't go on forever can it?
No. 5 bad cops who seem to be incapable of keeping their emotions in check, an important part of being a police officer. They couldn't act professionally, they got fired.lowing wrote:
Nope, the streets are minus 5 good cops. THat piece of shit shoulda died at the scene.Diesel_dyk wrote:
The guy was unconcious, the cops beat an unconcious body.
He was no threat to them, they were working out their frustration on his limp lifeless body.
He's in jail and cops were fired, the public can sleep well at night knowing that the streets are safer on both counts.
Their job description and the law requires them to follow a specific set of rules. They broke the rules (and the law), they got fired. They are only poice officers as long as they follow their mandate laid out by the people (government). Otherwise they are just a group of thugs kicking an unconcious man on the ground.
Jesus Christ. Ok, I can see why the police would want to kick this guy's ass, but like I said in the other police brutality thread, cops are supposed to enforce the law and capture the criminals and set an example for the rest of society. They aren't supposed to take the law into their own hands and issue the punishments, leave that for the judge.
Oh well, both sides got what they deserved. Suspect deserved a beating after that chase, and officers deserved to get fired for their actions.
Oh well, both sides got what they deserved. Suspect deserved a beating after that chase, and officers deserved to get fired for their actions.
good JOB......
Better than that I believe in enforcing it. Our laws worry more about the criminals than the victims. I have a probelm with this.Flecco wrote:
So you don't believe in the rule of law?lowing wrote:
Nope, the streets are minus 5 good cops. THat piece of shit shoulda died at the scene.Diesel_dyk wrote:
The guy was unconcious, the cops beat an unconcious body.
He was no threat to them, they were working out their frustration on his limp lifeless body.
He's in jail and cops were fired, the public can sleep well at night knowing that the streets are safer on both counts.
Mindless emotionless drones simp.ly are not part of the real world of law enforcement.
adrenaline is the edge a cop has that just might make the difference between life or death for them or you.
I celebrate the fact that this piece of shit is off of the street and do not care about the harshness of his removal. What he did deserves is no less than to have his fuckin ass whipped considering all of the lives he endangered with little regard. Most of us would fight in a bar over less than this, so spare me.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
How can you see that? I didn't even make an inference that I "think" that...how about you read what I wrote instead of what you want me to think. Making that baseless inference is petty and pathetic.lowing wrote:
I can see, you do not think it matters if the criminal killed anyone or not, any more than the criminal cares. Pretty pathetic really.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Does it matter if the criminal cared about killing the officer? If the criminal "gave a fuck" does that make a beating unwarranted? Think about if everyone went around giving beat downs to people they thought were deserving...whether or not the person getting beat up deserves it, going around and beating people up is still assault. We have a court system and laws in place for a reason - a cop is not intended to be judge, jury and executioner.
The police are not the jury; the police are not the executioners. It is the police officers' job to arrest the alleged criminal in accordance with the laws society has agreed upon. The judicial system issues the punishment in civilized countries, not the arresting party. A cop has no right to beat a person they just arrested up - regardless if the beatdown is warranted or not. Why even have a judicial system if we are just going to let the cops dictate the punishment based on what they see? It is unprofessional; it gives the impression that is the way all cops act, even though the overwhelming majority aren't brute force assholes. Imagine if people judged all cops based on a few rogue cops' actions - kind of like how you judge Islam based on the worst of the bunch instead of the overwhelming majority.
Where do you draw the line lowing, do you deserve a beating everytime you break the law or just in some cases when it suites the current situation? When is it ok to beat anyone else on your job because you "are high on adrenaline", besides NHL hockey that is, but that doens´t really count since most hockeyplayers are just angry farmers with sticks...
Is it ok for the law to break the law to upkeep the law? Seems like a wierd thing to me. Actually it seems like criminal behaviour to me.
Is it ok for the law to break the law to upkeep the law? Seems like a wierd thing to me. Actually it seems like criminal behaviour to me.
I don't decide if he should live or die, I simply wish he had. the world and the streets would be better for it. I pass judgement everyday, and so do you.blademaster wrote:
well who are u to decide if he should've died? you cant judge how much someones life is worth? plus u dont know if all cops are squeaky clean as u portray them... its the way the society functions its not the guy he is simply the product of our society so unless u change certain society components there would be less idiots maybe... ""The United States has 5 percent of the world's population and 25 percent of the world's incarcerated population."lowing wrote:
Nope, the streets are minus 5 good cops. THat piece of shit shoulda died at the scene.Diesel_dyk wrote:
The guy was unconcious, the cops beat an unconcious body.
He was no threat to them, they were working out their frustration on his limp lifeless body.
He's in jail and cops were fired, the public can sleep well at night knowing that the streets are safer on both counts.
Mindless emotionless drones simp.ly are not part of the real world of law enforcement.
adrenaline is the edge a cop has that just might make the difference between life or death for them or you.
Pretty simple really, if you engage the police on a high speed chase, hurting people or even almost doing so, when the cops get their hands on you expect to have your ass whipped.Diesel_dyk wrote:
I don't think Lowing thinks. We've been going on about this on the other op. He thinks cops are always right and that criminals are always wrong.Flecco wrote:
So you don't believe in the rule of law?lowing wrote:
Nope, the streets are minus 5 good cops. THat piece of shit shoulda died at the scene.
Mindless emotionless drones simp.ly are not part of the real world of law enforcement.
adrenaline is the edge a cop has that just might make the difference between life or death for them or you.
But he fails to understand that the public's interests are not necessarily aligned with the cops. The public is also interested in having cops act professionally. But he labels those ideas as cop hater or criminal lover to mask the the fact that the cops were, gasp, wrong on this one.
They beat an unconsious body, why does chasing someone give the cops the right to beat their unconsious body?
When does that right to beat someone stop Lowing? it can't go on forever can it?
I do not think cops are always right, however, I will always give them the benefit of the doubt over a criminal. Sad really you refuse, since you like to judge their actions frame by frame days and weeks after the event without being their to be endangered yourself.
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Nope, actually now that I am back from Iraq, I lead a pretty boring life, full of work, ball games and school band concerts etc...
Nope, not everytime a person breaks the law, but lets face it the 2 examples laid out endangered a whole lot of people and heart rates were on the raise. I simply have no problem given the violence of these two criminals that they took a beatdown. Nothing more.[F7F7]KiNG_KaDaFFHi wrote:
Where do you draw the line lowing, do you deserve a beating everytime you break the law or just in some cases when it suites the current situation? When is it ok to beat anyone else on your job because you "are high on adrenaline", besides NHL hockey that is, but that doens´t really count since most hockeyplayers are just angry farmers with sticks...
Is it ok for the law to break the law to upkeep the law? Seems like a wierd thing to me. Actually it seems like criminal behaviour to me.
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Surely if the criminals believe they are likely to get a beating from the police when they surrender, they will be more inclined to run, putting more civillians and cops in danger?
Well then if they ar eworried about that maybe they should consider not breaking the law in the first place.PureFodder wrote:
Surely if the criminals believe they are likely to get a beating from the police when they surrender, they will be more inclined to run, putting more civillians and cops in danger?
Got it.
Actually neither have I, but as the law, you need to follow the law. It´s your job at the least.
Just in some cases then, who should decide wich are the correct ones? May I suggest......the law? If I´m correct theres a thing called "self defense" already?
I see what you are saying, and I agree to some point, but it still doesn´t make it right, but hey, I´ve been wrong before (may be wrong here too)and I take beeing corrected as a opurtunity to learn something.
Actually neither have I, but as the law, you need to follow the law. It´s your job at the least.
Just in some cases then, who should decide wich are the correct ones? May I suggest......the law? If I´m correct theres a thing called "self defense" already?
I see what you are saying, and I agree to some point, but it still doesn´t make it right, but hey, I´ve been wrong before (may be wrong here too)and I take beeing corrected as a opurtunity to learn something.
AMERICA HERE.. Why where they chasing him? Innocent intill proven guilty, ext. Those dude should get attempt murder charges, if you CAN"T handle these situation with a cool head, please don't be a police officer..lowing wrote:
either way, are you left to believe the criminal gave a fuck who he killed in order to save his own skin from jail?Kmarion wrote:
The spikes.. he might have been trying to avoid them as he laid them down... but you could be right also.lowing wrote:
and he intended to hit him, he just missed..
I could care less about that bastard, but if the systems of checks and balances go in the way of judge Dread we're all going to be in a heap of shit.. Accountability is part of the job/
Well I just recognize what everyone had just been through, emotions running high. If the outcome of this is the criminal gets whipped and no one else gets hurt, I can live with it.[F7F7]KiNG_KaDaFFHi wrote:
Got it.
Actually neither have I, but as the law, you need to follow the law. It´s your job at the least.
Just in some cases then, who should decide wich are the correct ones? May I suggest......the law? If I´m correct theres a thing called "self defense" already?
I see what you are saying, and I agree to some point, but it still doesn´t make it right, but hey, I´ve been wrong before (may be wrong here too)and I take beeing corrected as a opurtunity to learn something.
For arguments sake, suppose he just hit a car with a family in it a wife a father and 3 kids and the car exploded. Would your opinion about this guy and his beat down change?
What if the news story was... "Fleeing fugitive runs down and kills Police officer during chase... Officer leaves behind a wife and 2 children"
This guy did not deserve to be hit or kicked... but the adrenaline these officers had when they were chasing this guy and having to watch this guy almost run down and kill a fellow officer must have been intense...
or the story could have been... "Police pull over suspect... suspect complies and gets arrested peacfully... Court date is set for June"
This guy did not deserve to be hit or kicked... but the adrenaline these officers had when they were chasing this guy and having to watch this guy almost run down and kill a fellow officer must have been intense...
or the story could have been... "Police pull over suspect... suspect complies and gets arrested peacfully... Court date is set for June"
Love is the answer
innocent people don't usually try to run over police officers and innocent civilians. Just a thought, if they did as and were innocent, they are no longer innocent after the attempts to run people over.cpt.fass1 wrote:
AMERICA HERE.. Why where they chasing him? Innocent intill proven guilty, ext. Those dude should get attempt murder charges, if you CAN"T handle these situation with a cool head, please don't be a police officer..lowing wrote:
either way, are you left to believe the criminal gave a fuck who he killed in order to save his own skin from jail?Kmarion wrote:
The spikes.. he might have been trying to avoid them as he laid them down... but you could be right also.
I could care less about that bastard, but if the systems of checks and balances go in the way of judge Dread we're all going to be in a heap of shit.. Accountability is part of the job/
Again what did he do? Edit; He could have had a dime bag, been having a bad day, freaked out and ran. Problem when we have a crazy expensive system to run. Those brand new cars the cops have aren't free.lowing wrote:
innocent people don't usually try to run over police officers and innocent civilians. Just a thought, if they did as and were innocent, they are no longer innocent after the attempts to run people over.cpt.fass1 wrote:
AMERICA HERE.. Why where they chasing him? Innocent intill proven guilty, ext. Those dude should get attempt murder charges, if you CAN"T handle these situation with a cool head, please don't be a police officer..lowing wrote:
either way, are you left to believe the criminal gave a fuck who he killed in order to save his own skin from jail?
I could care less about that bastard, but if the systems of checks and balances go in the way of judge Dread we're all going to be in a heap of shit.. Accountability is part of the job/
One of the biggest problems I have with our Criminal system is that by chasing people it usually creates a more dangerous situation.. Someone steals a car that's worth 5k they run and end up causing 50k worth of damage in the case? How does that even make sense?
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Well they were just making sure that when he woke up he couldn't attack them.
Better than letting him get away with it.cpt.fass1 wrote:
Again what did he do?lowing wrote:
innocent people don't usually try to run over police officers and innocent civilians. Just a thought, if they did as and were innocent, they are no longer innocent after the attempts to run people over.cpt.fass1 wrote:
AMERICA HERE.. Why where they chasing him? Innocent intill proven guilty, ext. Those dude should get attempt murder charges, if you CAN"T handle these situation with a cool head, please don't be a police officer..
I could care less about that bastard, but if the systems of checks and balances go in the way of judge Dread we're all going to be in a heap of shit.. Accountability is part of the job/
One of the biggest problems I have with our Criminal system is that by chasing people it usually creates a more dangerous situation.. Someone steals a car that's worth 5k they run and end up causing 50k worth of damage in the case? How does that even make sense?
Would you let highjackers go and remain successful highjacking planes because you didn't want passengers hurt?
That same mentality prevailed with the Somali pirates, they went unchecked for so long that they were actually surprised when someone fought back.
Well, no , not really, as I you know I´ve been to prison, It ain´t that great. The laws themselves should be the real threat to any criminals, not the mood of the officers catching them. As I said I see where you´re coming from and I said I agreed to some point, you might have and off day at work, moodswings, pms, whatever really.
If you are unconscious you are not a danger to anyone and should be threated thereafter. The previous happenings should not really matter, this is upkeeping the law, not war. But as I said I can understand the anger and the feelings such an event would create, but it still doesn´t make it right, atleast not in the eye of the law. You have to decide if we should be civlilized and be better then such assholes or lower ourself to their level and standards, in which case they will beat the law with experience.
The fact still is that if you can´t handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen, this goes for both cops and criminals I guess.
I did my time, I knew what I was doing, I´m fine with it, but if the officers would have broken the law just to "give me what I deserved" I would never trust in the law again, in no situations at all. Now I was threated fair and just according to the laws which I choose to break and I have a different kind of respect for them ever since.
If you are unconscious you are not a danger to anyone and should be threated thereafter. The previous happenings should not really matter, this is upkeeping the law, not war. But as I said I can understand the anger and the feelings such an event would create, but it still doesn´t make it right, atleast not in the eye of the law. You have to decide if we should be civlilized and be better then such assholes or lower ourself to their level and standards, in which case they will beat the law with experience.
The fact still is that if you can´t handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen, this goes for both cops and criminals I guess.
I did my time, I knew what I was doing, I´m fine with it, but if the officers would have broken the law just to "give me what I deserved" I would never trust in the law again, in no situations at all. Now I was threated fair and just according to the laws which I choose to break and I have a different kind of respect for them ever since.
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