Macbeth
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One in five students dropped out of a California high school last year - about the same as the year before, state Superintendent Jack O'Connell announced Tuesday. The graduation rate also held at about 68 percent.

The news that little had changed - despite O'Connell's calls for improvement and years of pointing to the moral imperative of helping failing students - prompted a round of criticism among advocates and critics of public education and from at least one candidate for the top school job.

"We don't need another report to tell us that we are failing miserably to educate the future citizens of California," said state Sen. Gloria Romero, D-East Los Angeles, who is running for state superintendent next year.

With more than 2 million high school students enrolled in 2007-08, the dropout rate stands at 20 percent (106,073 students), down slightly from 21 percent in the 2006-07 school year (109,011 students). (Not a simple calculation, the rate is an "estimate of the percent of students who would drop out in a four-year period based on data from a single year," analysts said.)
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But at least they feel good about themselves.
So everyone always talks about how we have to improve education, so how would you go about fixing this problem?
Catbox
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Burwhale
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MacBeth wrote:

So everyone always talks about how we have to improve education, so how would you go about fixing this problem?
Pay teachers more. If smarter people aspired to be teachers due to better money, you would get better quality teachers as a result. At the moment a lot of teachers seem to go straight from school to University to teaching because they cant get into any other degree. Bad quality teachers ensue. Quality graduates generally avoid teaching as a career, because they can get more money doing something like law/medicine / business. More money for quality teachers would improve this problem.

There are some awesome teachers out there, so I am not saying all teachers are shit.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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Give people some incentive to graduate.
eg You don't get minimum wage unless you complete high-school (or 'vocational college' for the dimwits).

How hard is it to get through high-school anyway?
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Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Give people some incentive to graduate.
eg You don't get minimum wage unless you complete high-school (or 'vocational college' for the dimwits).

How hard is it to get through high-school anyway?
Not a bad idea. Or force people who drop out to spend one or two years doing service (e.g. cleaning highways and shit). At least they'll be giving back.
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ATG
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Give people some incentive to graduate.
eg You don't get minimum wage unless you complete high-school (or 'vocational college' for the dimwits).

How hard is it to get through high-school anyway?
Pretty hard when you are the child of an illegal alien and your parents don't mind you helping them grill taco meat.
it's mostly boys that drop out too
bad boys.
Locoloki
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let them drop out, less competion for my genepool
DrunkFace
Germans did 911
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Why do you need a high school education? There are many successful people who leave in year 9 or 10 and pick up a trade or start their own business.
Ilocano
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ATG wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Give people some incentive to graduate.
eg You don't get minimum wage unless you complete high-school (or 'vocational college' for the dimwits).

How hard is it to get through high-school anyway?
Pretty hard when you are the child of an illegal alien and your parents don't mind you helping them grill taco meat.
This.
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
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DrunkFace wrote:

Why do you need a high school education? There are many successful people who leave in year 9 or 10 and pick up a trade or start their own business.
Lol, I can't name anybody I've ever met who made anything out of themselves without a diploma.  Even Wal-mart would laugh you out of the store with that kind of education.

The problem in California is low salaries compounded with poor parenting.  People who would make the best teachers can make triple working in business, and so they do.  Why would I teach High School chemistry when I can work at a power plant and make double right out of school?
ghettoperson
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Fucking liberals. I guess they can't claim they're so smart now!
Ilocano
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S.Lythberg wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

Why do you need a high school education? There are many successful people who leave in year 9 or 10 and pick up a trade or start their own business.
Lol, I can't name anybody I've ever met who made anything out of themselves without a diploma.  Even Wal-mart would laugh you out of the store with that kind of education.

The problem in California is low salaries compounded with poor parenting.  People who would make the best teachers can make triple working in business, and so they do.  Why would I teach High School chemistry when I can work at a power plant and make double right out of school?
Actually, our teachers are well paid for the level of education required to get the job and the mostly only 9 months of work out of the year, coupled with generous benefits.  Our cops, firemen, and trash collectors make good money too.

Last edited by Ilocano (2009-05-14 09:28:27)

S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6748|Chicago, IL

Ilocano wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

Why do you need a high school education? There are many successful people who leave in year 9 or 10 and pick up a trade or start their own business.
Lol, I can't name anybody I've ever met who made anything out of themselves without a diploma.  Even Wal-mart would laugh you out of the store with that kind of education.

The problem in California is low salaries compounded with poor parenting.  People who would make the best teachers can make triple working in business, and so they do.  Why would I teach High School chemistry when I can work at a power plant and make double right out of school?
Actually, our teachers are well paid for the level of education required to get the job and the mostly only 9 months of work out of the year, coupled with generous benefits.  Our cops, firemen, and trash collectors make good money too.
What level is that?  4-year education degree? 

average pay is pitiful

once I graduate, I'll pull in more than a teacher with 20 years of experience

big $$$

I think I'd make a great chem teacher, but not for that price
-CARNIFEX-[LOC]
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What's "well-paid" translate to?  I was under the assumption that teachers are pretty universally screwed in terms of time they put in compared to what they get paid.  Near where I live, a teacher with a master's degree and 10+ years of experience probably makes $4X,XXX or if they're lucky/good they might earn in the $50k range, compared to any number of jobs where you can graduate with a BS and potentially make around $50k as a base salary.

I know a girl who barely graduated college with a BA in Biology, and she makes $50,000 at Sprint, and my dad is a highschool teacher with tons of experience and a master's degree and earns less than her.

Personally, I think our country has shot itself in the foot in terms of cutting education funding year after year.  I have advisors at my college say that incoming college students(!!!) will write them e-mails that should be relatively formal using text-speak like "lulz" and "bai" and other dumbass stuff like that.  These are people e-mailing for recommendation letters and the like. 

It's, like, totally frightening to me.

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Ilocano
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I said "our" teachers.  Average California teachers make about $50K for 9 months of work.  For 12 months, that's $62.5K.  Not bad for someone with "any" college degree and teaching credentials.

If someone has a Master's degree and wants to teach, he/she shouldn't be teaching HS.  Anyone with a Master's degree should be teaching University level, which pays significantly more.

As for the Chemical Engineering degree, you can't say your courses were are easy as the typical HS teacher degree.  As I said, for the level of education required to be a HS teacher, pay is pretty good.
DrunkFace
Germans did 911
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S.Lythberg wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

Why do you need a high school education? There are many successful people who leave in year 9 or 10 and pick up a trade or start their own business.
Lol, I can't name anybody I've ever met who made anything out of themselves without a diploma.  Even Wal-mart would laugh you out of the store with that kind of education.

The problem in California is low salaries compounded with poor parenting.  People who would make the best teachers can make triple working in business, and so they do.  Why would I teach High School chemistry when I can work at a power plant and make double right out of school?
There is a plumber who lives up the street who left school in year 10. His house is a 3 story million dollar mansion and he owns 3 BMWs.
My mother never finished year 12 and is now the head nurse at a psychiatric hospital earning more then 100k a year part time.
There are countless number of people who leave school early and become electricians, plumbers, carpenters, builders, mechanics, chefs etc who get 5+ years of extra job experience and wages to those who go to uni and can be earning 50-80k a year by the time uni graduates start looking for a job.
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
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Ilocano wrote:

I said "our" teachers.  Average California teachers make about $50K for 9 months of work.  For 12 months, that's $62.5K.  Not bad for someone with "any" college degree and teaching credentials.

If someone has a Master's degree and wants to teach, he/she shouldn't be teaching HS.  Anyone with a Master's degree should be teaching University level, which pays significantly more.

As for the Chemical Engineering degree, you can't say your courses were are easy as the typical HS teacher degree.  As I said, for the level of education required to be a HS teacher, pay is pretty good.
And what's the average cost of living an California?  The pay is relative to everything else in that obscenely overpriced state.

And yes, education courses are a laugh, but perhaps that why our teachers fail to educate.  My mom teaches, and some of her fellow teachers were freaking out that they may have to teach pre-algebra to the honors students, because they themselves didn't know it.
Ilocano
buuuurrrrrrppppp.......
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DrunkFace wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

Why do you need a high school education? There are many successful people who leave in year 9 or 10 and pick up a trade or start their own business.
Lol, I can't name anybody I've ever met who made anything out of themselves without a diploma.  Even Wal-mart would laugh you out of the store with that kind of education.

The problem in California is low salaries compounded with poor parenting.  People who would make the best teachers can make triple working in business, and so they do.  Why would I teach High School chemistry when I can work at a power plant and make double right out of school?
There is a plumber who lives up the street who left school in year 10. His house is a 3 story million dollar mansion and he owns 3 BMWs.
My mother never finished year 12 and is now the head nurse at a psychiatric hospital earning more then 100k a year part time.
There are countless number of people who leave school early and become electricians, plumbers, carpenters, builders, mechanics, chefs etc who get 5+ years of extra job experience and wages to those who go to uni and can be earning 50-80k a year by the time uni graduates start looking for a job.
And I could say the same thing about my nephew who got offered a six figure Chemist job a year before graduation.   Anecdotal.  But the odds of success are better stacked if you get a degree.
Ilocano
buuuurrrrrrppppp.......
+341|6968

S.Lythberg wrote:

And yes, education courses are a laugh, but perhaps that why our teachers fail to educate.  My mom teaches, and some of her fellow teachers were freaking out that they may have to teach pre-algebra to the honors students, because they themselves didn't know it.
WTF.  How the hell are they considered honor students if they don't know pre-algebra prior to HS.  Something is broken here.  Kick them out.

Is the school padding their honors program with unqualified students so that they could get more funding or better ranking?

Last edited by Ilocano (2009-05-14 10:22:59)

S.Lythberg
Mastermind
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Ilocano wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

And yes, education courses are a laugh, but perhaps that why our teachers fail to educate.  My mom teaches, and some of her fellow teachers were freaking out that they may have to teach pre-algebra to the honors students, because they themselves didn't know it.
WTF.  How the hell are they considered honor students if they don't know pre-algebra prior to HS.  Something is broken here.  Kick them out.

Is the school padding their honors program with unqualified students so that they could get more funding or better ranking?
5th and 6th grade
Ilocano
buuuurrrrrrppppp.......
+341|6968

S.Lythberg wrote:

Ilocano wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

And yes, education courses are a laugh, but perhaps that why our teachers fail to educate.  My mom teaches, and some of her fellow teachers were freaking out that they may have to teach pre-algebra to the honors students, because they themselves didn't know it.
WTF.  How the hell are they considered honor students if they don't know pre-algebra prior to HS.  Something is broken here.  Kick them out.

Is the school padding their honors program with unqualified students so that they could get more funding or better ranking?
5th and 6th grade
Sorry, I misread your post.  You meant the teachers lacked pre-algebra knowledge.     Woah, pre-algebra in 5th/6th.  Advanced.  But yeah, there should at least be some teacher who could teach pre-algebra.  But then again, Universities offer "college math", so there you go.
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6748|Chicago, IL

Ilocano wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

Ilocano wrote:

WTF.  How the hell are they considered honor students if they don't know pre-algebra prior to HS.  Something is broken here.  Kick them out.

Is the school padding their honors program with unqualified students so that they could get more funding or better ranking?
5th and 6th grade
Sorry, I misread your post.  You meant the teachers lacked pre-algebra knowledge.     Woah, pre-algebra in 5th/6th.  Advanced.  But yeah, there should at least be some teacher who could teach pre-algebra.  But then again, Universities offer "college math", so there you go.
I took pre-algebra in 6th

But the fact that 20-somethings can graduate with a four year degree without basic math knowledge is frightening, and probably part root of the cause, since students they teach fall farther behind every year.
loubot
O' HAL naw!
+470|6879|Columbus, OH

Locoloki wrote:

let them drop out, less competion for my genepool
Competition means nothing when an increase of crime (armed assaults, gang violence, etc) goes up because of these 'tards. The odds of being a vicitim to one of these crimes go up as well. If you are in Cali, watch your back essa.
Agent_Dung_Bomb
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While you do have good and bad teachers, I place 90% of the blame squarely at the feet of parents.

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