then the problem is the public, not the politicians. We elect them, we empower them and we are too complacent to do anything about them. Goes back to power to the people, ATG. Now all we need is a citizenry that has the balls to sacrifice and take our country back. LIKE THE CONSTITUTION ALLOWS US TO DOATG wrote:
How can officers be corrupt when the system they support is based on corruption?lowing wrote:
corrupt police officers are criminals.Dilbert_X wrote:
If you knew what I knew about corrupt Police officers you wouldn't sleep at all.
Cops that get frustrated because of situations they are forced in by criminals are not. They are human
Like I side you take the criminals to sympathize over, and I will take the cops.
" distraction blow " pffft...
Most public interaction with The Blue is not based on public safety, it is based on revenue collecting by greedy, corrupt politicians.
I would go even further; the politicians are obviously favoring the good of the banker over what is good for the people. The politicians make themselfs immune from many of the laws they write. They are being paid illegally gotten cash from bankers lobbyist and crafting law and policy that guts our finances and hands it over to bankers. You could in my view dismiss the police as bankers thugs and not be overly cynical.
If the police have an issue with the way the feds have failed in protecting the border and allowing millions of criminals in that they have to deal with let them say something, anything about illegal immigration.
The police is silent about this because the federal government is providing much of the funding, especially for the militarization of the police. They tow the line.
So, fuck 'em.
I saw an interview with the city attorney and the mayor of Birmingham Alabama, both are black and the cop beating victim was black. They fired their asses. Oh how the worm has turned in the south. Veteran cops finally getting appropriate disciplinary action for their crimes.m3thod wrote:
So yeah back on the topic of US coppers beating the shit out of people check out what they did to this guy while he was unconscious.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8060943.stm
And here is a pic of the guy.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/4 … 9228-1.jpg
I've said it many times. If you can't check you adrenaline rush, or you're burned out, jaded, or just want to use the badge and the gun as an excuse to be a bully, then you have no business being a cop. GTFO. The public deserves better that these a$$holes.
With all the dash cam and helicopter videos and cell phone videos, you think these dumb asses would learn that you never know when you are being watched. The moral pf the story is that these guys need to learn to act like a professional all the time, be respectful of the public all the time and check your attitude at the door all the time. Can't do it all the time, then find another line of work.
All I can say is thank god for video, the video doesn't lie. People, cops and politicians are the liars.
I love it, in your post you have demonized everyone Except the murderers, thieves, rapests and child molesters, that the cops are trying to deal with on your be-half. If anyone "deserves better", it is the cops.Diesel_dyk wrote:
I saw an interview with the city attorney and the mayor of Birmingham Alabama, both are black and the cop beating victim was black. They fired their asses. Oh how the worm has turned in the south. Veteran cops finally getting appropriate disciplinary action for their crimes.m3thod wrote:
So yeah back on the topic of US coppers beating the shit out of people check out what they did to this guy while he was unconscious.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8060943.stm
And here is a pic of the guy.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/4 … 9228-1.jpg
I've said it many times. If you can't check you adrenaline rush, or you're burned out, jaded, or just want to use the badge and the gun as an excuse to be a bully, then you have no business being a cop. GTFO. The public deserves better that these a$$holes.
With all the dash cam and helicopter videos and cell phone videos, you think these dumb asses would learn that you never know when you are being watched. The moral pf the story is that these guys need to learn to act like a professional all the time, be respectful of the public all the time and check your attitude at the door all the time. Can't do it all the time, then find another line of work.
All I can say is thank god for video, the video doesn't lie. People, cops and politicians are the liars.
Politicians say one things and then do another. It is all lies. We elect them on what they say, and toss them out on what they do.lowing wrote:
then the problem is the public, not the politicians. We elect them, we empower them and we are too complacent to do anything about them. Goes back to power to the people, ATG. Now all we need is a citizenry that has the balls to sacrifice and take our country back. LIKE THE CONSTITUTION ALLOWS US TO DOATG wrote:
How can officers be corrupt when the system they support is based on corruption?lowing wrote:
corrupt police officers are criminals.
Cops that get frustrated because of situations they are forced in by criminals are not. They are human
Like I side you take the criminals to sympathize over, and I will take the cops.
" distraction blow " pffft...
Most public interaction with The Blue is not based on public safety, it is based on revenue collecting by greedy, corrupt politicians.
I would go even further; the politicians are obviously favoring the good of the banker over what is good for the people. The politicians make themselfs immune from many of the laws they write. They are being paid illegally gotten cash from bankers lobbyist and crafting law and policy that guts our finances and hands it over to bankers. You could in my view dismiss the police as bankers thugs and not be overly cynical.
If the police have an issue with the way the feds have failed in protecting the border and allowing millions of criminals in that they have to deal with let them say something, anything about illegal immigration.
The police is silent about this because the federal government is providing much of the funding, especially for the militarization of the police. They tow the line.
So, fuck 'em.
You are so full of it. on one thread you got cops beating citizens and thats Ok because their jacked up and can't help them selves.lowing wrote:
I love it, in your post you have demonized everyone Except the murderers, thieves, rapests and child molesters, that the cops are trying to deal with on your be-half. If anyone "deserves better", it is the cops.Diesel_dyk wrote:
I saw an interview with the city attorney and the mayor of Birmingham Alabama, both are black and the cop beating victim was black. They fired their asses. Oh how the worm has turned in the south. Veteran cops finally getting appropriate disciplinary action for their crimes.m3thod wrote:
So yeah back on the topic of US coppers beating the shit out of people check out what they did to this guy while he was unconscious.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8060943.stm
And here is a pic of the guy.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/4 … 9228-1.jpg
I've said it many times. If you can't check you adrenaline rush, or you're burned out, jaded, or just want to use the badge and the gun as an excuse to be a bully, then you have no business being a cop. GTFO. The public deserves better that these a$$holes.
With all the dash cam and helicopter videos and cell phone videos, you think these dumb asses would learn that you never know when you are being watched. The moral pf the story is that these guys need to learn to act like a professional all the time, be respectful of the public all the time and check your attitude at the door all the time. Can't do it all the time, then find another line of work.
All I can say is thank god for video, the video doesn't lie. People, cops and politicians are the liars.
Then on another thread your calling athletes roles models because they make lots of money.
Here's a news flash
Cops are role models, they need to act like it all the time, they get money from the tax payers and if they can't perform then they have let down the citizenery and they need to go.
What I want to see is cops acting like professionals, sure its a high stress job and only certain people are going to be able to cope with it.
Looks like video is going to help us weed out the cops that can't cope. What we don't need are people making Dr Phil type popcorn analyses about adrenaline rushes as an excuse for criminal behavior. I'm sick of crappy excuses for sick behavior. The video tape doesn't lie and we can all see what happened, its wrong and there's no excuse for it. The only people who deserve better are the public who pay to hire these public servants. These five cops got fired and the public is safer for it.
No we do not toos them out, the murderer Ted Kennedy has been in office for a lifetime. We as the public obviously do not do enough. the corrupts still prevails.ATG wrote:
Politicians say one things and then do another. It is all lies. We elect them on what they say, and toss them out on what they do.lowing wrote:
then the problem is the public, not the politicians. We elect them, we empower them and we are too complacent to do anything about them. Goes back to power to the people, ATG. Now all we need is a citizenry that has the balls to sacrifice and take our country back. LIKE THE CONSTITUTION ALLOWS US TO DOATG wrote:
How can officers be corrupt when the system they support is based on corruption?
" distraction blow " pffft...
Most public interaction with The Blue is not based on public safety, it is based on revenue collecting by greedy, corrupt politicians.
I would go even further; the politicians are obviously favoring the good of the banker over what is good for the people. The politicians make themselfs immune from many of the laws they write. They are being paid illegally gotten cash from bankers lobbyist and crafting law and policy that guts our finances and hands it over to bankers. You could in my view dismiss the police as bankers thugs and not be overly cynical.
If the police have an issue with the way the feds have failed in protecting the border and allowing millions of criminals in that they have to deal with let them say something, anything about illegal immigration.
The police is silent about this because the federal government is providing much of the funding, especially for the militarization of the police. They tow the line.
So, fuck 'em.
Yet again, you go out of your way to demonize the cops that took that idiot off of the streets, and say nothing about the idiot himself. yor lack of concern about that criminals behavior leads me to believe you have a bigger problem with the way he was treated over the way he treated the public. Go figure.Diesel_dyk wrote:
You are so full of it. on one thread you got cops beating citizens and thats Ok because their jacked up and can't help them selves.lowing wrote:
I love it, in your post you have demonized everyone Except the murderers, thieves, rapests and child molesters, that the cops are trying to deal with on your be-half. If anyone "deserves better", it is the cops.Diesel_dyk wrote:
I saw an interview with the city attorney and the mayor of Birmingham Alabama, both are black and the cop beating victim was black. They fired their asses. Oh how the worm has turned in the south. Veteran cops finally getting appropriate disciplinary action for their crimes.
I've said it many times. If you can't check you adrenaline rush, or you're burned out, jaded, or just want to use the badge and the gun as an excuse to be a bully, then you have no business being a cop. GTFO. The public deserves better that these a$$holes.
With all the dash cam and helicopter videos and cell phone videos, you think these dumb asses would learn that you never know when you are being watched. The moral pf the story is that these guys need to learn to act like a professional all the time, be respectful of the public all the time and check your attitude at the door all the time. Can't do it all the time, then find another line of work.
All I can say is thank god for video, the video doesn't lie. People, cops and politicians are the liars.
Then on another thread your calling athletes roles models because they make lots of money.
Here's a news flash
Cops are role models, they need to act like it all the time, they get money from the tax payers and if they can't perform then they have let down the citizenery and they need to go.
What I want to see is cops acting like professionals, sure its a high stress job and only certain people are going to be able to cope with it.
Looks like video is going to help us weed out the cops that can't cope. What we don't need are people making Dr Phil type popcorn analyses about adrenaline rushes as an excuse for criminal behavior. I'm sick of crappy excuses for sick behavior. The video tape doesn't lie and we can all see what happened, its wrong and there's no excuse for it. The only people who deserve better are the public who pay to hire these public servants. These five cops got fired and the public is safer for it.
As far as the roll model thing goes. I would rather show this video to my kids as what can happen to you if you are a criminal. As opposed to showing them Vicks dog fighting video as what you get to do if you become a professional athlete.
Last edited by lowing (2009-05-21 11:01:51)
I think he's saying the cops should be held to a higher standard, which should be true.
We can also be glad the guy got his ass beat at the same time. It would be better if they did not.
Why would it be better?
The jury probably will go easier on him because of the cops lost their cool.
We can also be glad the guy got his ass beat at the same time. It would be better if they did not.
Why would it be better?
The jury probably will go easier on him because of the cops lost their cool.
Two wrongs don't make a rightlowing wrote:
Yet again, you go out of your way to demonize the cops that took that idiot off of the streets, and say nothing about the idiot himself. yor lack of concern about that criminals behavior leads me to believe you have a bigger problem with the way he was treated over the way he treated the public. Go figure.Diesel_dyk wrote:
You are so full of it. on one thread you got cops beating citizens and thats Ok because their jacked up and can't help them selves.lowing wrote:
I love it, in your post you have demonized everyone Except the murderers, thieves, rapests and child molesters, that the cops are trying to deal with on your be-half. If anyone "deserves better", it is the cops.
Then on another thread your calling athletes roles models because they make lots of money.
Here's a news flash
Cops are role models, they need to act like it all the time, they get money from the tax payers and if they can't perform then they have let down the citizenery and they need to go.
What I want to see is cops acting like professionals, sure its a high stress job and only certain people are going to be able to cope with it.
Looks like video is going to help us weed out the cops that can't cope. What we don't need are people making Dr Phil type popcorn analyses about adrenaline rushes as an excuse for criminal behavior. I'm sick of crappy excuses for sick behavior. The video tape doesn't lie and we can all see what happened, its wrong and there's no excuse for it. The only people who deserve better are the public who pay to hire these public servants. These five cops got fired and the public is safer for it.
The guy is serving 10 years and he deserves more. But may be you should explain how it is you think that the fact that the cops chased some guy is an excuse to have a group beat down on his unconcious body. The video tape doesn't lie about what happened and rhetoric only carries you so far.
Cops are role models. But I too could use inflamatory rhetoric about "you just think about the rights of the bad guys." Right back at you "Ohhhh think of the children, what are we going to tell the children, we tell the children that the cops are there to protect them and then they see five cops beating an unconcious man on TV, Ohhhh now what are the poor children going to think, what are we going to tell them, we need to protect them."
Cops need to protect the public's perception of their professionalism, that comes with being role models.
I know what I am gunna tell them. Don't be a jack-off, don't endanger the public don't draw negative attention to yourself through negative action and you won't get your ass kicked while you are arrested.Diesel_dyk wrote:
Two wrongs don't make a rightlowing wrote:
Yet again, you go out of your way to demonize the cops that took that idiot off of the streets, and say nothing about the idiot himself. yor lack of concern about that criminals behavior leads me to believe you have a bigger problem with the way he was treated over the way he treated the public. Go figure.Diesel_dyk wrote:
You are so full of it. on one thread you got cops beating citizens and thats Ok because their jacked up and can't help them selves.
Then on another thread your calling athletes roles models because they make lots of money.
Here's a news flash
Cops are role models, they need to act like it all the time, they get money from the tax payers and if they can't perform then they have let down the citizenery and they need to go.
What I want to see is cops acting like professionals, sure its a high stress job and only certain people are going to be able to cope with it.
Looks like video is going to help us weed out the cops that can't cope. What we don't need are people making Dr Phil type popcorn analyses about adrenaline rushes as an excuse for criminal behavior. I'm sick of crappy excuses for sick behavior. The video tape doesn't lie and we can all see what happened, its wrong and there's no excuse for it. The only people who deserve better are the public who pay to hire these public servants. These five cops got fired and the public is safer for it.
The guy is serving 10 years and he deserves more. But may be you should explain how it is you think that the fact that the cops chased some guy is an excuse to have a group beat down on his unconcious body. The video tape doesn't lie about what happened and rhetoric only carries you so far.
Cops are role models. But I too could use inflamatory rhetoric about "you just think about the rights of the bad guys." Right back at you "Ohhhh think of the children, what are we going to tell the children, we tell the children that the cops are there to protect them and then they see five cops beating an unconcious man on TV, Ohhhh now what are the poor children going to think, what are we going to tell them, we need to protect them."
Cops need to protect the public's perception of their professionalism, that comes with being role models.
How about you? YOu plan on telling them, go ahead act anyway you want, the cops can't do anything about it anyway and if they touch you you can sue them?
Last edited by lowing (2009-05-21 11:15:23)
Lowing I hope one day you are mistaken for a criminal in a similar situation and told to lie down which you do, after which the cops proceed to kick and hit you repeatedly in the head for no go reason then the criminal (which they think is you) annoyed them.
WTF Lowing. They can arrest you, you can go to jail. And the guy did. Kicking people in the head is not part of the job description of a police officer. Kicking people in the head is not part of detaining and arresting. At best its assault at worst its assault plus the guy is released on some technicality of police brutality with a nice compensation cheque from the government. There is no reason or excuse to use such behaviour on anyone at any time.lowing wrote:
How about you? YOu plan on telling them, go ahead act anyway you want, the cops can't do anything about it anyway and if they touch you you can sue them?
Last edited by DrunkFace (2009-05-21 11:29:45)
Thank you, but in that case I would not be the criminal and not deserving of an ass whipping.DrunkFace wrote:
Lowing I hope one day you are mistaken for a criminal in a similar situation and told to lie down which you do, after which the cops proceed to kick and hit you repeatedly in the head for no go reason then the criminal (which they think is you) annoyed them.
In either example posted here, mistaken identity is clearly not the issue.
"Don't be a jack-off, don't endanger the public don't draw negative attention to yourself through negative action and you won't get your ass kicked while you are arrested."lowing wrote:
I know what I am gunna tell them. Don't be a jack-off, don't endanger the public don't draw negative attention to yourself through negative action and you won't get your ass kicked while you are arrested.Diesel_dyk wrote:
Two wrongs don't make a rightlowing wrote:
Yet again, you go out of your way to demonize the cops that took that idiot off of the streets, and say nothing about the idiot himself. yor lack of concern about that criminals behavior leads me to believe you have a bigger problem with the way he was treated over the way he treated the public. Go figure.
The guy is serving 10 years and he deserves more. But may be you should explain how it is you think that the fact that the cops chased some guy is an excuse to have a group beat down on his unconcious body. The video tape doesn't lie about what happened and rhetoric only carries you so far.
Cops are role models. But I too could use inflamatory rhetoric about "you just think about the rights of the bad guys." Right back at you "Ohhhh think of the children, what are we going to tell the children, we tell the children that the cops are there to protect them and then they see five cops beating an unconcious man on TV, Ohhhh now what are the poor children going to think, what are we going to tell them, we need to protect them."
Cops need to protect the public's perception of their professionalism, that comes with being role models.
How about you? YOu plan on telling them, go ahead act anyway you want, the cops can't do anything about it anyway and if they touch you you can sue them?
So that unconcious body was drawing negative attention to itself?
that unconcious body was acting in a negative manner?
Hell why not shoot or tase that unconcisous body for acting in a suspicious manner.
I think that even a child would give you that WTF look about an unconcious person doing anything.
So once again, please explain how a chase is an excuse to give an unconcious body a beat down?
That wasn't an unconcious "body". He was a criminal that just got done almost killing several peopl including a police officer. My only regret is he didn't die during all of that.Diesel_dyk wrote:
"Don't be a jack-off, don't endanger the public don't draw negative attention to yourself through negative action and you won't get your ass kicked while you are arrested."lowing wrote:
I know what I am gunna tell them. Don't be a jack-off, don't endanger the public don't draw negative attention to yourself through negative action and you won't get your ass kicked while you are arrested.Diesel_dyk wrote:
Two wrongs don't make a right
The guy is serving 10 years and he deserves more. But may be you should explain how it is you think that the fact that the cops chased some guy is an excuse to have a group beat down on his unconcious body. The video tape doesn't lie about what happened and rhetoric only carries you so far.
Cops are role models. But I too could use inflamatory rhetoric about "you just think about the rights of the bad guys." Right back at you "Ohhhh think of the children, what are we going to tell the children, we tell the children that the cops are there to protect them and then they see five cops beating an unconcious man on TV, Ohhhh now what are the poor children going to think, what are we going to tell them, we need to protect them."
Cops need to protect the public's perception of their professionalism, that comes with being role models.
How about you? YOu plan on telling them, go ahead act anyway you want, the cops can't do anything about it anyway and if they touch you you can sue them?
So that unconcious body was drawing negative attention to itself?
that unconcious body was acting in a negative manner?
Hell why not shoot or tase that unconcisous body for acting in a suspicious manner.
I think that even a child would give you that WTF look about an unconcious person doing anything.
So once again, please explain how a chase is an excuse to give an unconcious body a beat down?
You did watch that video right?
Still, since you are not denying it, I will assume you will raise your kids to act anyway they want in fornt of the police, they can't hurt ya, or touch ya, and if they do, hope someone filmed it so you can sue them. What a proud father you will be, think of all the money they will make.
Last edited by lowing (2009-05-21 11:44:50)
More irrational rhetoriclowing wrote:
That wasn't an unconcious "body". He was a criminal that just got done almost killing several peopl including a police officer. My only regret is he didn't die during all of that.Diesel_dyk wrote:
"Don't be a jack-off, don't endanger the public don't draw negative attention to yourself through negative action and you won't get your ass kicked while you are arrested."lowing wrote:
I know what I am gunna tell them. Don't be a jack-off, don't endanger the public don't draw negative attention to yourself through negative action and you won't get your ass kicked while you are arrested.
How about you? YOu plan on telling them, go ahead act anyway you want, the cops can't do anything about it anyway and if they touch you you can sue them?
So that unconcious body was drawing negative attention to itself?
that unconcious body was acting in a negative manner?
Hell why not shoot or tase that unconcisous body for acting in a suspicious manner.
I think that even a child would give you that WTF look about an unconcious person doing anything.
So once again, please explain how a chase is an excuse to give an unconcious body a beat down?
You did watch that video right?
Still, since you are not denying it, I will assume you will raise your kids to act anyway they want in fornt of the police, they can't hurt ya, or touch ya, and if they do, hope someone filmed it so you can sue them. What a proud father you will be, think of all the money they will make.
Fine that wasn't an unconcious body, that was just an unconsious criminal and his body was just lieing there.... unconcious
So for the third time please explain how a chase is an excuse to give an unconsious criminal whose body was just lieing there unconcious a beat down? Because I would like to know where you think this right to give a beat down starts and where it ends? certainly there must be limits on your grand sense of a cop's right to inflict brutality and act unprofessionally.
Don't give me that unconscious bullshit as if he were coherent you would have supported the police. His state is not the issue, the fact that cops whipped him is your big concern, not the criminal actions.Diesel_dyk wrote:
More irrational rhetoriclowing wrote:
That wasn't an unconcious "body". He was a criminal that just got done almost killing several peopl including a police officer. My only regret is he didn't die during all of that.Diesel_dyk wrote:
"Don't be a jack-off, don't endanger the public don't draw negative attention to yourself through negative action and you won't get your ass kicked while you are arrested."
So that unconcious body was drawing negative attention to itself?
that unconcious body was acting in a negative manner?
Hell why not shoot or tase that unconcisous body for acting in a suspicious manner.
I think that even a child would give you that WTF look about an unconcious person doing anything.
So once again, please explain how a chase is an excuse to give an unconcious body a beat down?
You did watch that video right?
Still, since you are not denying it, I will assume you will raise your kids to act anyway they want in fornt of the police, they can't hurt ya, or touch ya, and if they do, hope someone filmed it so you can sue them. What a proud father you will be, think of all the money they will make.
Fine that wasn't an unconcious body, that was just an unconsious criminal and his body was just lieing there.... unconcious
So for the third time please explain how a chase is an excuse to give an unconsious criminal whose body was just lieing there unconcious a beat down? Because I would like to know where you think this right to give a beat down starts and where it ends? certainly there must be limits on your grand sense of a cop's right to inflict brutality and act unprofessionally.
Sorry, there is no yardstick, or bar gragh to measure emotion at any given scenerio. the cops who almost got killed vented on the criminal responsible, I sleep well at night. I know you will as well, planning your law suits for your kids.
Your so full of it.lowing wrote:
Don't give me that unconscious bullshit as if he were coherent you would have supported the police. His state is not the issue, the fact that cops whipped him is your big concern, not the criminal actions.Diesel_dyk wrote:
More irrational rhetoriclowing wrote:
That wasn't an unconcious "body". He was a criminal that just got done almost killing several peopl including a police officer. My only regret is he didn't die during all of that.
You did watch that video right?
Still, since you are not denying it, I will assume you will raise your kids to act anyway they want in fornt of the police, they can't hurt ya, or touch ya, and if they do, hope someone filmed it so you can sue them. What a proud father you will be, think of all the money they will make.
Fine that wasn't an unconcious body, that was just an unconsious criminal and his body was just lieing there.... unconcious
So for the third time please explain how a chase is an excuse to give an unconsious criminal whose body was just lieing there unconcious a beat down? Because I would like to know where you think this right to give a beat down starts and where it ends? certainly there must be limits on your grand sense of a cop's right to inflict brutality and act unprofessionally.
Sorry, there is no yardstick, or bar gragh to measure emotion at any given scenerio. the cops who almost got killed vented on the criminal responsible, I sleep well at night. I know you will as well, planning your law suits for your kids.
Cops are role models, more so that athletes that's for sure. I think your mad because someone just called you out on your baloney
Wanting the cops to act in a professional manner does not a criminal lover make. BTW you can sleep all you want because professionalism is an objective standard, what you think is actually really far fringe and really irrlevant. It obvious that you self limit yourself and refuse to engage in higher thought processes beyond black and white.
The guy was unconcious, the cops beat down an unconsious body, they cops were fired and the guy is in jail... its all as it should be
Sorry emotion and rhetoric are no excuse for brutality and unprofessional behavior. Can't just label the guy a criminal and get away with that simple argument, the cops "right" to engage in brutal acts stopped when the guy was knocked unconcious, WHY? because he was no longer a threat to anyone, everything after that is a nonsensical post hoc rationalization for the brutality that was caught on video tape. And the video tape doesn't lie.
The slow march towards a civilized society, debunking one bipolar thought at a time
PS its nice to see black people in charge in old "Bombingham" Alabama.
Last edited by Diesel_dyk (2009-05-21 12:40:17)
Yeah ya got me, I am all a flutter because you had the nerve to challenge my opinion.Diesel_dyk wrote:
Your so full of it.lowing wrote:
Don't give me that unconscious bullshit as if he were coherent you would have supported the police. His state is not the issue, the fact that cops whipped him is your big concern, not the criminal actions.Diesel_dyk wrote:
More irrational rhetoric
Fine that wasn't an unconcious body, that was just an unconsious criminal and his body was just lieing there.... unconcious
So for the third time please explain how a chase is an excuse to give an unconsious criminal whose body was just lieing there unconcious a beat down? Because I would like to know where you think this right to give a beat down starts and where it ends? certainly there must be limits on your grand sense of a cop's right to inflict brutality and act unprofessionally.
Sorry, there is no yardstick, or bar gragh to measure emotion at any given scenerio. the cops who almost got killed vented on the criminal responsible, I sleep well at night. I know you will as well, planning your law suits for your kids.
Cops are role models, more so that athletes that's for sure. I think your mad because someone just called you out on your baloney
Wanting the cops to act in a professional manner does not a criminal lover make. BTW you can sleep all you want because professionalism is an objective standard, what you think is actually really far fringe and really irrlevant. It obvious that you self limit yourself and refuse to engage in higher thought processes beyond black and white.
The guy was unconcious, the cops beat down an unconsious body, they cops were fired and the guy is in jail... its all as it should be
Sorry emotion and rhetoric are no excuse for brutality and unprofessional behavior. Can't just label the guy a criminal and get away with that simple argument, the cops "right" to engage in brutal acts stopped when the guy was knocked unconcious, WHY? because he was no longer a threat to anyone, everything after that is a nonsensical post hoc rationalization for the brutality that was caught on video tape. And the video tape doesn't lie.
The slow march towards a civilized society, debunking one bipolar thought at a time
PS its nice to see black people in charge in old "Bombingham" Alabama.
If you think criminal coddling and criminal rights over victims rights is the clear march to civilized society, then we are miles apart from what we think civilized society is. I will take a society where criminals should be afraid and law abiding citizens don't have to.
Here's your bipolar thought processlowing wrote:
Yeah ya got me, I am all a flutter because you had the nerve to challenge my opinion.Diesel_dyk wrote:
Your so full of it.lowing wrote:
Don't give me that unconscious bullshit as if he were coherent you would have supported the police. His state is not the issue, the fact that cops whipped him is your big concern, not the criminal actions.
Sorry, there is no yardstick, or bar gragh to measure emotion at any given scenerio. the cops who almost got killed vented on the criminal responsible, I sleep well at night. I know you will as well, planning your law suits for your kids.
Cops are role models, more so that athletes that's for sure. I think your mad because someone just called you out on your baloney
Wanting the cops to act in a professional manner does not a criminal lover make. BTW you can sleep all you want because professionalism is an objective standard, what you think is actually really far fringe and really irrlevant. It obvious that you self limit yourself and refuse to engage in higher thought processes beyond black and white.
The guy was unconcious, the cops beat down an unconsious body, they cops were fired and the guy is in jail... its all as it should be
Sorry emotion and rhetoric are no excuse for brutality and unprofessional behavior. Can't just label the guy a criminal and get away with that simple argument, the cops "right" to engage in brutal acts stopped when the guy was knocked unconcious, WHY? because he was no longer a threat to anyone, everything after that is a nonsensical post hoc rationalization for the brutality that was caught on video tape. And the video tape doesn't lie.
The slow march towards a civilized society, debunking one bipolar thought at a time
PS its nice to see black people in charge in old "Bombingham" Alabama.
If you think criminal coddling and criminal rights over victims rights is the clear march to civilized society, then we are miles apart from what we think civilized society is. I will take a society where criminals should be afraid and law abiding citizens don't have to.
Cops = good
Criminals = bad
Cops are never criminals
BTW when citizens see cops go off the reservation like this, they are afraid. And that really is the main point here, the public's position on all this is not necessarily aligned with the cops. The public's interest transcends beyond seeing the criminal being put in jail to also seeing that the cops behave in a professional manner. Labelling public's interest as criminal lover or cop hater is just an attempt to censor the public's thoughts on overseeing a professional police force.
The fact that you duck the issue of the guy being unconsious just shows that you know that that issue is a problem for the cops and that what the cops did was wrong despite your rhetoric of cops always being good.
All I can say is welcome to the world of gray, where its possible that both sides are wearing black hats. The only white hat in the room is the one worn by the public.
I stopped reading after:Diesel_dyk wrote:
Here's your bipolar thought processlowing wrote:
Yeah ya got me, I am all a flutter because you had the nerve to challenge my opinion.Diesel_dyk wrote:
Your so full of it.
Cops are role models, more so that athletes that's for sure. I think your mad because someone just called you out on your baloney
Wanting the cops to act in a professional manner does not a criminal lover make. BTW you can sleep all you want because professionalism is an objective standard, what you think is actually really far fringe and really irrlevant. It obvious that you self limit yourself and refuse to engage in higher thought processes beyond black and white.
The guy was unconcious, the cops beat down an unconsious body, they cops were fired and the guy is in jail... its all as it should be
Sorry emotion and rhetoric are no excuse for brutality and unprofessional behavior. Can't just label the guy a criminal and get away with that simple argument, the cops "right" to engage in brutal acts stopped when the guy was knocked unconcious, WHY? because he was no longer a threat to anyone, everything after that is a nonsensical post hoc rationalization for the brutality that was caught on video tape. And the video tape doesn't lie.
The slow march towards a civilized society, debunking one bipolar thought at a time
PS its nice to see black people in charge in old "Bombingham" Alabama.
If you think criminal coddling and criminal rights over victims rights is the clear march to civilized society, then we are miles apart from what we think civilized society is. I will take a society where criminals should be afraid and law abiding citizens don't have to.
Cops = good
Criminals = bad
Cops are never criminals
BTW when citizens see cops go off the reservation like this, they are afraid. And that really is the main point here, the public's position on all this is not necessarily aligned with the cops. The public's interest transcends beyond seeing the criminal being put in jail to also seeing that the cops behave in a professional manner. Labelling public's interest as criminal lover or cop hater is just an attempt to censor the public's thoughts on overseeing a professional police force.
The fact that you duck the issue of the guy being unconsious just shows that you know that that issue is a problem for the cops and that what the cops did was wrong despite your rhetoric of cops always being good.
All I can say is welcome to the world of gray, where its possible that both sides are wearing black hats. The only white hat in the room is the one worn by the public.
Cops = good
Criminals = bad
Cops are never criminals
Once I hit this bullshit, nothing else you had to say mattered. I never said cops were always right and never corrupt. corrupt cops are criminals as well. I kinda thought I said that already.
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They should expect to get frustrated, its in the job description, if they don't want it they shouldn't sign up.lowing wrote:
Cops that get frustrated because of situations they are forced in by criminals are not.
(Although from what I've seen often its what the roid raging ex-military types who join the police are actually looking for)
If they choose to commit a crime as a consequence they should expect to be treated as criminals, not given 'latitude'.
Fuck Israel
I guess that is why an opinion is something we are all entitled to.Dilbert_X wrote:
They should expect to get frustrated, its in the job description, if they don't want it they shouldn't sign up.lowing wrote:
Cops that get frustrated because of situations they are forced in by criminals are not.
(Although from what I've seen often its what the roid raging ex-military types who join the police are actually looking for)
If they choose to commit a crime as a consequence they should expect to be treated as criminals, not given 'latitude'.
You can feel sorry for the criminals I will reserve my sympathies for victims and the police that put themselves in harms way, for even people like you.
Dilbert:
I think from lowing's perspective the police can't ever be criminals as long as they confine their beatings to 'obvious' criminals. Anybody else caught doing that kind of behaviour would be charged with assault. The police are above the laws he so cherishes.
I think from lowing's perspective the police can't ever be criminals as long as they confine their beatings to 'obvious' criminals. Anybody else caught doing that kind of behaviour would be charged with assault. The police are above the laws he so cherishes.
The US economy is a giant Ponzi scheme. And 'to big to fail' is code speak for 'niahnahniahniahnah 99 percenters'
I don't particularly feel sorry for criminals. I do feel sorry for innocent people the police beat up because the police have decided they deserve it.lowing wrote:
You can feel sorry for the criminals I will reserve my sympathies for victims and the police that put themselves in harms way, for even people like you.
An out of control police force is a frightening thing - far more dangerous than the odd petty criminal.
Fuck Israel
Funny, I don't remember seeing an "odd petty criminal" getting whipped in this OP, I saw 2 violent dangerous criminals with complete disregard for safety or lives of anyone around them.Dilbert_X wrote:
I don't particularly feel sorry for criminals. I do feel sorry for innocent people the police beat up because the police have decided they deserve it.lowing wrote:
You can feel sorry for the criminals I will reserve my sympathies for victims and the police that put themselves in harms way, for even people like you.
An out of control police force is a frightening thing - far more dangerous than the odd petty criminal.
I have been very careful in the thread to make the distinguishment.