Macbeth
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If you make big bucks — or enjoy alcohol, cigarettes and Coke — the government might hit you up to pay for fixing the nation’s health care system.

On Tuesday, the Senate Finance Committee peeked into vending machines and liquor stores, company payrolls and health savings accounts, looking for a mix of tax increases and spending cuts as a way to pay for a health overhaul — which could cost more than $1.5 trillion over 10 years.

There appeared to be a bubble of support among the experts for taxing bad behavior, including a $2 tax on a pack of cigarettes and a higher excise tax on alcohol.

People who like the tax-free status of their company health benefits could be asked to ante up. Money in the pot: more than $700 billion over 10 years.

A panel of economists presented the committee with a menu of scenarios, from wringing savings out of Medicare and Medicaid to cutting medical costs by reducing sodium levels in packaged foods and at restaurants.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22444.html
Smokes, Liquor, Soda, Junk food, and insurance. This is awesome, I love paying for the health care of others. Your welcome my fellow Americans and illegals, I'm going to have to pay more for a good time and enjoyment because you decide not to pay your bills. But it's ok, even though I earn a living and pay for college and a bunch of other things I'm going to share a bit more of the burden for you. o/\o
Superior Mind
(not macbeth)
+1,755|6931
Fiddle sticks...
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5823

Superior Mind wrote:

Fiddle sticks...
huh?
Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6786|San Diego, CA, USA
So Small Businesses that are already having a problem providing healthcare to their workers would be required to pay MORE?  Gee fucking wiz.
SealXo
Member
+309|6774
MOTHER FUCKERS?

i already bay 8.775% on a .99 can of soda. and they want to add another 18 FUCKING PERCENT?

they better tax the shit out of vodka before i buy it all and light it..

Instead of "Adopt a starving african" it should be "adopt a mexican" and the government will send me a picture of him and ill pay for his healthcare yay!

Last edited by SealXo (2009-05-13 16:48:29)

ATG
Banned
+5,233|6767|Global Command
Stuck on fucking stupid.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6643|North Carolina
Take your pick.  Either have a viable universal healthcare system, or tax the shit out of unhealthy things.

At this point, those are your only options.

I find it odd that many of the same people in support of replacing the income tax with the Fair Tax (a consumption tax) bitch about other consumption taxes like the ones mentioned above.
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6421|Ireland
Yes We Can
BN
smells like wee wee
+159|7006
Nothing wrong with paying tax.
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6421|Ireland

BN wrote:

Nothing wrong with paying tax.
Nothing wrong with cheating on your taxes.
13rin
Member
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Lotta_Drool wrote:

BN wrote:

Nothing wrong with paying tax.
Nothing wrong with cheating on your taxes.
Apparently its enough to earn you an Obama appointment..... hehe.

Last edited by DBBrinson1 (2009-05-13 18:21:02)

I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6643|North Carolina

Lotta_Drool wrote:

BN wrote:

Nothing wrong with paying tax.
Nothing wrong with cheating on your taxes.
You can only get away with that if you're rich.
AussieReaper
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+5,761|6391|what

How do you think Obama is supposed to deal with trillion dollar debts to China?

You whinge when you're in debt, and whinge when taxes are raised to pay off that debt.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
Superior Mind
(not macbeth)
+1,755|6931

AussieReaper wrote:

How do you think Obama is supposed to deal with trillion dollar debts to China?

You whinge when you're in debt, and whinge when taxes are raised to pay off that debt.
It's debt the people responsible should pay for. Like the corporations that outsourced or the shitty government officials that went around the will of the people and used loop holes to get their way.

Taxing the people to pay off international debts will only dig us deeper in to an economic hole. Our tax money will go to pay off the foreign corporations and lenders then all of our American dollars will be floating around outside our reach. Leaving us poor, but debt free. With no factories for us to build goods to sell to other countries we can't make our own money back.

Last edited by Superior Mind (2009-05-13 18:52:21)

Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6643|North Carolina
I've said it before, but honestly, we should just clear the books and start over.
Superior Mind
(not macbeth)
+1,755|6931

Turquoise wrote:

I've said it before, but honestly, we should just clear the books and start over.
Tell that to the people we owe.
AussieReaper
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+5,761|6391|what

Superior Mind wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

How do you think Obama is supposed to deal with trillion dollar debts to China?

You whinge when you're in debt, and whinge when taxes are raised to pay off that debt.
It's debt the people responsible should pay for. Like the corporations that outsourced or the shitty government officials that went around the will of the people and used loop holes to get their way.
The money for bailouts has to come from somewhere. Borrow from China, then pay that money back... Why is this such a shock to some people?
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
Superior Mind
(not macbeth)
+1,755|6931

AussieReaper wrote:

Superior Mind wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

How do you think Obama is supposed to deal with trillion dollar debts to China?

You whinge when you're in debt, and whinge when taxes are raised to pay off that debt.
It's debt the people responsible should pay for. Like the corporations that outsourced or the shitty government officials that went around the will of the people and used loop holes to get their way.
The money for bailouts has to come from somewhere. Borrow from China, then pay that money back... Why is this such a shock to some people?
Read my edit. All of the money we need to pay off the foreign countries is invested in foriegn companies and projects. We have no way to make money from other countries as we have no more production of goods people want.
AussieReaper
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+5,761|6391|what

Superior Mind wrote:

Taxing the people to pay off international debts will only dig us deeper in to an economic hole. Our tax money will go to pay off the foreign corporations and lenders then all of our American dollars will be floating around outside our reach. Leaving us poor, but debt free. With no factories for us to build goods to sell to other countries we can't make our own money back.
But you just argued the bailouts were a bad thing, you know, the ones designed to keep car manufacturers producing goods you can sell to other countries?

The only other recourse is to print more money if you would rather not have any foreign debt. Hyper-deflation then causes it's own problems.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
SealXo
Member
+309|6774
cash is trash

foreign stocks i be tellin ya
nickb64
formerly from OC (it's EXACTLY like on tv)[truth]
+77|5849|Greatest Nation on Earth(USA)

Superior Mind wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

I've said it before, but honestly, we should just clear the books and start over.
Tell that to the people we owe.
We could invade and destroy them, you can't really owe money to people you just beat the shit out of.

We would never have gotten into this mess if we followed the ideals of the founders of the US and the Federal Gov't took on only the powers specifically given to it in the Constitution.
AussieReaper
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+5,761|6391|what

nickb64 wrote:

We could invade and destroy them, you can't really owe money to people you just beat the shit out of.
And wars aren't expensive at all....
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6839|132 and Bush

AussieReaper wrote:

How do you think Obama is supposed to deal with trillion dollar debts to China?

You whinge when you're in debt, and whinge when taxes are raised to pay off that debt.
Do you think taxes go to pay foreign debt?
Xbone Stormsurgezz
AussieReaper
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+5,761|6391|what

Kmarion wrote:

Do you think taxes go to pay foreign debt?
No. And only about half your national debt is held by the public anyway.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
nickb64
formerly from OC (it's EXACTLY like on tv)[truth]
+77|5849|Greatest Nation on Earth(USA)

AussieReaper wrote:

nickb64 wrote:

We could invade and destroy them, you can't really owe money to people you just beat the shit out of.
And wars aren't expensive at all....
WAR got us out of the Great Depression.

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