BF2S Forums No Jail Time for Army Contractor in Revenge Killing

S.Lythberg wrote:

mikkel wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

In principle, you are correct.  In reality...  well, most juries would let him off.  I know I would.

I don't think any jury anywhere would let this guy off for murdering a detained individual. There's still that whole law thing that they need to take into account.

He'd be convicted of a much lesser charge, do a few "i so sorry" appearances, and go home.  When bad things happen to bad people, nobody cares.

Gang members are killed weekly in Chicago, and the cops don't put out any effort to find the killer, because, in reality, that's one less they'll have to deal with later.

gang members are killed daily in LA and they pursue life sentences.  Especially with "gang enhancements" added to their conviction.  Anything done in for the progression of a gang to continue its activities,  a 5 year charge is added to felonies.

S.Lythberg wrote:

Man With No Name wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

He'd be convicted of a much lesser charge, do a few "i so sorry" appearances, and go home.  When bad things happen to bad people, nobody cares.

Gang members are killed weekly in Chicago, and the cops don't put out any effort to find the killer, because, in reality, that's one less they'll have to deal with later.

gang members are killed daily in LA and they pursue life sentences.  Especially with "gang enhancements" added to their conviction.  Anything done in for the progression of a gang to continue its activities,  a 5 year charge is added to felonies.

we jail them forever if we catch them, but the police force doesn't actively try to arrest the offenders

So a career in serial killing gang members in Chicago is viable option if college doesn't pan out?

mikkel wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

mikkel wrote:

What's the point of detaining anyone if you're just going to kill them anyway? War or not, this guy needs to go to jail. War does not make murder okay.

In principle, you are correct.  In reality...  well, most juries would let him off.  I know I would.

I don't think any jury anywhere would let this guy off for murdering a detained individual. There's still that whole law thing that they need to take into account.

Yep, and there's still that whole "all it takes is one juror to say 'not guilty' for you to get off" thing as well.

How can you claim to be 'spreading democracy" with this going on?

Democracy includes things like fair trials & due process.

BN wrote:

How can you claim to be 'spreading democracy" with this going on?

Democracy includes things like fair trials & due process.

Well, we can execute little kids in soccer fields if that makes you feel better.

Seriously though, you could only control every individual's actions if there was an override microchip in everyone's brain.

BN wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

BN wrote:

How can you claim to be 'spreading democracy" with this going on?

Democracy includes things like fair trials & due process.

Yeah, let's spend tons of money and time on this guy. He obviously fucking did it, why delay the inevitable? Hell, even worse he might have just been sent to prison for life instead of being shot right on the spot.

This bloke is a foreign national...what right has he got to go into a foreign country and start executing people?

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Why delay the inevitable? That's Democracy!!! You are supposed to be selling democracy to these people. Practice what you preach or you just get labelled hypocrites and have no credibility.

While I agree that to say we're spreading democracy is somewhat farcical, I have no sympathy whatsoever for someone setting people on fire.

If any other Afghan does something like that, I hope somebody else does that again to the culprit.

In places like Afghanistan, justice sometimes has to be served with a bullet to the head.

I mean, think about it.  We entered the ass end of the Islamic World.  This kind of shit shouldn't be too surprising to us, but by the same token, you have to smack these fuckers around some before they get the message.

Besides, these are the same people who often support Sharia Law.  I don't see how executing a shitbag like this guy should surprise them too much.  They should feel right at home even, since lethal force is about all some of these people learn from.

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Once they had the guy incapacitated (cuffed), he should've been turned over to local authorities.

Ayala should've gone away for a long, long time.

Shoulda, coulda, woulda. The sentencing is consistent at least. Can't call it a 'cold-blooded' murder. The attack was so horrific that I imagine an unofficial field execution would've been the norm (if not properly procedural) throughout history.

Yes, you can call it "cold-blooded murder". They guy was cuffed, then shot in the back of the head. No different than what the Taliban did to people back in the day (and still do in some places).

Of course, the attack was horrific. The guy who died should've died. I'm not arguing that point at all. It's how it happened that was/is the problem. Why subdue the guy and cuff him? Just shoot the fucker in the street in response to a deadly assault (which is legal and justifiable) and walk away.

BN wrote:

How can you claim to be 'spreading democracy" with this going on?

Democracy includes things like fair trials & due process.

On what planet does one contractor's illegal actions translate to an entire system of government?

FEOS wrote:

BN wrote:

How can you claim to be 'spreading democracy" with this going on?

Democracy includes things like fair trials & due process.

On what planet does one contractor's illegal actions translate to an entire system of government?

Planet Earth.

BN wrote:

FEOS wrote:

BN wrote:

How can you claim to be 'spreading democracy" with this going on?

Democracy includes things like fair trials & due process.

On what planet does one contractor's illegal actions translate to an entire system of government?

Planet Earth.

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BN wrote:

FEOS wrote:

BN wrote:

How can you claim to be 'spreading democracy" with this going on?

Democracy includes things like fair trials & due process.

On what planet does one contractor's illegal actions translate to an entire system of government?

Planet Earth.

So the next time some contractor who works for your government does something illegal, go ahead and say it's your government's policy to do those things.

Makes perfect sense.

FEOS wrote:

BN wrote:

FEOS wrote:

On what planet does one contractor's illegal actions translate to an entire system of government?

Planet Earth.

So the next time some contractor who works for your government does something illegal, go ahead and say it's your government's policy to do those things.

Makes perfect sense.

Like it or not that's the reality we live in.

He is a representative of the US gov. Especially since he is in a foreign country.

I am not saying its right but that's the way it is.


All rise, the court of public opinion is now in session.

FEOS wrote:

BN wrote:

He is a representative of the US gov. Especially since he is in a foreign country.

That is a far cry from the US government committing the crime.

not sure anyone has even hinted at that.

BN wrote:

FEOS wrote:

BN wrote:

He is a representative of the US gov. Especially since he is in a foreign country.

That is a far cry from the US government committing the crime.

not sure anyone has even hinted at that.

It was more than hinted at by this guy. I think you might know him:

BN wrote:

FEOS wrote:

BN wrote:

How can you claim to be 'spreading democracy" with this going on?

Democracy includes things like fair trials & due process.

On what planet does one contractor's illegal actions translate to an entire system of government?

Planet Earth.