Nancy Pelosi is a 2 faced female sexual organ!!

2009-05-09 16:27:53

#26

Lotta_Drool: Spit; +350|6484|Ireland

Diesel_dyk wrote:
Just because you are afforded due process does not mean you'll be found not guilty.
But on the other hand you will never be found not guilty unless you receive due process.

We should all fear Kafka

I don't know what is worse, torture or being permanently held without charge. I think society could live with the water boarding part as long as these guys receive some sort of due process.... OR vice a versa, but grabbing people torturing them AND then keeping them locked up without charge or due process crosses a line in most peoples minds IMO

I agree, and this is just one of the many reasons why we are fighting the terrorists. They are constantly grabbing people and torturing them without due process. They even target people they KNOW are innocent and torture or blow them up. Some are kids.

It is almost like they terrorize people when you stop to think about it.

I am just glad that we are a bunch of pussies when it comes to getting serious about winning the war against these fuckers. I hope they nuke England, they seem to really fucking hate England.

2009-05-09 19:00:08

#27

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6712|'Murka

Turquoise wrote:
nickb64 wrote:
I never had anything against the use of Enhanced Interrogation Techniques, because I don't give a rat's ass what we do to those dirtbags @ GITMO. They could have been executed on the battlefield if it weren't for our need to obtain information. They are terrorists, and as such, do not deserve rights even close to those of an American or other non-terrorist person.

Pelosi is an idiot, as are the majority of the Administration from what I see.
Once you have someone in custody, you can't just do as you please. You have to follow the due process of law. Otherwise, your law system isn't worth anything.

That's with regard to domestic law. Which doesn't apply in these cases.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2009-05-09 19:11:21

#28

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6712|'Murka

FatherTed wrote:
He's comparing on a human level, not what uniform/group/whatever they are.

Laws apply to the latter, not the former.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2009-05-09 19:13:13

#29

FatherTed: xD; +3,936|6801|so randum

Morals should apply across. fuck laws, it's common decency.

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2009-05-09 19:15:33

#30

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6712|'Murka

FatherTed wrote:
Morals should apply across. fuck laws, it's common decency.

Laws aren't about morals.

And to be more specific about what I was saying, the laws people are screaming about here apply to the latter, not the former. Laws, apparently, those screaming about haven't bothered to actually read.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2009-05-09 23:26:56

#31

LividBovine: The Year of the Cow!; +175|6681|MN

imortal wrote:
Okay, we receive a report that she is two-faced, and that if you point a camera at her, she will say anything that will make her sound good or get her out of hot water. Guess what, she is a politician; should any of us really be suprised? I mean, yes, she is an ultra-liberal whose policies I can be comfortable standing against just because they came out of her mouth, but in this instance she is doing a very non-partisan dance and shuffle that any politican would being caught between public perception, realpolitik, and DC political crookedness.

Surprised, No.

Should any of us really be ok with it, No.

I think any politician found to be corrupt in any way should be shown the door. We need to start holding our elected officials accountable for their actions. If Bobby Jindal had said the same things I would send him packing too.

Just because something is expected it doesn't make it ok.

"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation" - Barack Obama (a freshman senator from Illinios)

2009-05-09 23:40:11

#32

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6706|North Carolina

FEOS wrote:
FatherTed wrote:
Morals should apply across. fuck laws, it's common decency.
Laws aren't about morals.

And to be more specific about what I was saying, the laws people are screaming about here apply to the latter, not the former. Laws, apparently, those screaming about haven't bothered to actually read.

You know what. Forget it. Let's just torture anyone we feel like. I'm sure that will help us out a lot.

2009-05-10 00:02:54

#33

LividBovine: The Year of the Cow!; +175|6681|MN

We need to use interegation methods, like waterboarding, that are effective at getting information from known terrorist that may save lives. What is so bad about waterboarding? What torture methods, that we use, actually harm the recipient physically?

Are we just arguing that some people have a hard time with tricking someone into thinking they are being hurt? Sackless in my mind.

"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation" - Barack Obama (a freshman senator from Illinios)

2009-05-10 03:58:13

#34

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6712|'Murka

Turquoise wrote:
FEOS wrote:
FatherTed wrote:
Morals should apply across. fuck laws, it's common decency.
Laws aren't about morals.

And to be more specific about what I was saying, the laws people are screaming about here apply to the latter, not the former. Laws, apparently, those screaming about haven't bothered to actually read.
You know what. Forget it. Let's just torture anyone we feel like. I'm sure that will help us out a lot.

But we can't, because we have laws that prohibit it. And those laws also allow us to under certain conditions. And those laws also conflict with each other.

Way to completely miss the point, Turq.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2009-05-10 10:05:14

#35

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6706|North Carolina

FEOS wrote:
Turquoise wrote:
FEOS wrote:

Laws aren't about morals.

And to be more specific about what I was saying, the laws people are screaming about here apply to the latter, not the former. Laws, apparently, those screaming about haven't bothered to actually read.
You know what. Forget it. Let's just torture anyone we feel like. I'm sure that will help us out a lot.
But we can't, because we have laws that prohibit it. And those laws also allow us to under certain conditions. And those laws also conflict with each other.

Way to completely miss the point, Turq.

But if the laws conflict with each other, then what is the point in the first place?

2009-05-10 10:30:51

#36

mikkel: Member; +383|6902

I don't get the need of certain people to find loopholes to justify torture. It's illegal in almost all cases because it's unamerican, and morally at odds with what the US is supposed to represent. Why would anyone try to get around it?

2009-05-10 15:24:04

#37

imortal: Member; +240|6966|Austin, TX

LividBovine wrote:
imortal wrote:
Okay, we receive a report that she is two-faced, and that if you point a camera at her, she will say anything that will make her sound good or get her out of hot water. Guess what, she is a politician; should any of us really be suprised? I mean, yes, she is an ultra-liberal whose policies I can be comfortable standing against just because they came out of her mouth, but in this instance she is doing a very non-partisan dance and shuffle that any politican would being caught between public perception, realpolitik, and DC political crookedness.
Surprised, No.

Should any of us really be ok with it, No.

I think any politician found to be corrupt in any way should be shown the door. We need to start holding our elected officials accountable for their actions. If Bobby Jindal had said the same things I would send him packing too.

Just because something is expected it doesn't make it ok.

Hey, I didn't vote for her. Just don't be suprised when her district (San Fransisco, CA) re-elects her in a land slide. If you ignore the corruption of your leaders, then you deserve what you get.

On a similar note, Marion Barry (former mayor of Washington DC) is still serving in the city council after being arrested (and caught on camera) buying and smoking crack, and after being convicted of tax evasion. Not only that, he was giving a public speech about how he is a moral politician.

Nagan is still mayor of New Orleans after the debacle of Hurricane Katrina.

We Americans, by and large, don't have the attention span to remember past events to hold against our politicians, and we often fail to hold them accountable. We also have to suffer through poor choices, often having to rely on 'the lesser of two evils.'

2009-05-10 15:57:33

#38

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6706|North Carolina

imortal wrote:
On a similar note, Marion Barry (former mayor of Washington DC) is still serving in the city council after being arrested (and caught on camera) buying and smoking crack, and after being convicted of tax evasion. Not only that, he was giving a public speech about how he is a moral politician.'

Well, to be fair, Marion Barry is representative of many people in D.C., since a lot of them really are on crack.

2009-05-10 16:07:33

#39

imortal: Member; +240|6966|Austin, TX

Turquoise wrote:
imortal wrote:
On a similar note, Marion Barry (former mayor of Washington DC) is still serving in the city council after being arrested (and caught on camera) buying and smoking crack, and after being convicted of tax evasion. Not only that, he was giving a public speech about how he is a moral politician.'
Well, to be fair, Marion Barry is representative of many people in D.C., since a lot of them really are on crack.

You are right... and I do not know whether to laugh or cry. A truely 'representative' representative?

2009-05-10 16:07:55

#40

Man With No Name: جندي; +148|5876|The Wild West

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2009-05-10 18:14:30

#41

Catbox: forgiveness; +505|7017

imortal wrote:
Turquoise wrote:
imortal wrote:
On a similar note, Marion Barry (former mayor of Washington DC) is still serving in the city council after being arrested (and caught on camera) buying and smoking crack, and after being convicted of tax evasion. Not only that, he was giving a public speech about how he is a moral politician.'
Well, to be fair, Marion Barry is representative of many people in D.C., since a lot of them really are on crack.
You are right... and I do not know whether to laugh or cry. A truely 'representative' representative?

Marion Barry rocks... lol... kind of says it all when the guy gets caught with a hooker smoking crack and his supporters still believe in him...

Love is the answer

2009-05-11 02:01:03

#42

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6712|'Murka

Turquoise wrote:
FEOS wrote:
Turquoise wrote:

You know what. Forget it. Let's just torture anyone we feel like. I'm sure that will help us out a lot.
But we can't, because we have laws that prohibit it. And those laws also allow us to under certain conditions. And those laws also conflict with each other.

Way to completely miss the point, Turq.
But if the laws conflict with each other, then what is the point in the first place?

The point of what? We have to keep lawyers employed, you know.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2009-05-12 01:24:57

#43

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,817|6407|eXtreme to the maX

FEOS wrote:
And to be more specific about what I was saying, the laws people are screaming about here apply to the latter, not the former. Laws, apparently, those screaming about haven't bothered to actually read.

There are enough laws prohibiting torture full stop, a twisted interpretation of the GC doesn't count, as Duhbya's lawyers may soon be finding out.

Fuck Israel

2009-05-12 03:26:24

#44

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6712|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:
FEOS wrote:
And to be more specific about what I was saying, the laws people are screaming about here apply to the latter, not the former. Laws, apparently, those screaming about haven't bothered to actually read.
There are enough laws prohibiting torture full stop, a twisted interpretation of the GC doesn't count, as Duhbya's lawyers may soon be finding out.

There's nothing twisted about the GC, and there's nothing to interpret. It's crystal clear. If a combatant doesn't follow the tenets of the GC, even if not a signatory, the other party is not required to, either...even if a signatory.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2009-05-12 06:05:13

#45

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,817|6407|eXtreme to the maX

Yawn, they are still required to follow other conventions.

Fuck Israel

2009-05-12 06:54:58

#46

loubot: O' HAL naw!; +470|6879|Columbus, OH

This "EIT" is pure BS. The U.S. will eventually outsource it's interrogation to another country or private company to do all of the dirty work.
When will the U.S. politiicans / people know we are not better than other countries and these "higher standards on moral" are more like handicaps in any type of war.

2009-05-12 14:04:38

#47

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6706|North Carolina

FEOS wrote:
Turquoise wrote:
FEOS wrote:

But we can't, because we have laws that prohibit it. And those laws also allow us to under certain conditions. And those laws also conflict with each other.

Way to completely miss the point, Turq.
But if the laws conflict with each other, then what is the point in the first place?
The point of what? We have to keep lawyers employed, you know.

In other words, there is no point.

2009-05-13 02:07:16

#48

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6712|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:
Yawn, they are still required to follow other conventions.

Yawn, the only conventions that must be followed in warfare are the Geneva Conventions. They are the basis of the law of armed conflict.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2009-05-13 06:29:01

#49

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,817|6407|eXtreme to the maX

There are the conventions on torture, they apply during war too.

Fuck Israel

2009-05-13 06:59:32

#50

Lotta_Drool: Spit; +350|6484|Ireland

* Gasp * She knew about the torture! http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/05 … rrogation/

* Gasp * The Democraps playing politics with national security!

* Gasp * Liberal idiots supporting the party that's only different than the Republicans in that they lie about what they do and support!

* Gasp * Liberals not attacking Nancy Pepto after she herself killed the sacred cow and lied about it.

Fuck You to all the Liberal Obama freaks on the forum with your righteous stupidity. Obama new all along with the rest of the Democraps. You fuckwits.

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