We don't even have free speech laws!Cybargs wrote:
Great step backwards for Britain in regards to free speech lol.
That's not a good thing....PureFodder wrote:
We don't even have free speech laws!Cybargs wrote:
Great step backwards for Britain in regards to free speech lol.
We also have an official state religion, called Christianity. You guys have no state/official religion (or even language, I think).
Yet it seems that in the real world, the church and the state are much more separated here in the UK then they are in the US.
Yet it seems that in the real world, the church and the state are much more separated here in the UK then they are in the US.
Hopefully after Brown's administration gets voted out Savage will be exonerated. Amazing that there's not more hoopla when the #3 Talk Show Host in the United States is put on a list with murders and terrorists.
Much more? Not sure about that. Most of the connections here are vague symbols with little to no importance.Mekstizzle wrote:
We also have an official state religion, called Christianity. You guys have no state/official religion (or even language, I think).
Yet it seems that in the real world, the church and the state are much more separated here in the UK then they are in the US.
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I think Mek is referring to how religion seems irreversibly connected to our social policy -- like with gay marriage, for example.Kmarion wrote:
Much more? Not sure about that. Most of the connections here are vague symbols with little to no importance.Mekstizzle wrote:
We also have an official state religion, called Christianity. You guys have no state/official religion (or even language, I think).
Yet it seems that in the real world, the church and the state are much more separated here in the UK then they are in the US.
Doubt it. I hate Brown, but I hate racists more.Harmor wrote:
Hopefully after Brown's administration gets voted out Savage will be exonerated. Amazing that there's not more hoopla when the #3 Talk Show Host in the United States is put on a list with murders and terrorists.
But strange that our leader is not also the head of the national church...like the Queen is in England.Turquoise wrote:
I think Mek is referring to how religion seems irreversibly connected to our social policy -- like with gay marriage, for example.Kmarion wrote:
Much more? Not sure about that. Most of the connections here are vague symbols with little to no importance.Mekstizzle wrote:
We also have an official state religion, called Christianity. You guys have no state/official religion (or even language, I think).
Yet it seems that in the real world, the church and the state are much more separated here in the UK then they are in the US.
Odd that people living in that scenario can, with a straight face, comment on any other country's separation of church and state--much less claim that they have it when others do not.
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The Queen doesn't 'lead' GB.FEOS wrote:
But strange that our leader is not also the head of the national church...like the Queen is in England.Turquoise wrote:
I think Mek is referring to how religion seems irreversibly connected to our social policy -- like with gay marriage, for example.Kmarion wrote:
Much more? Not sure about that. Most of the connections here are vague symbols with little to no importance.
Odd that people living in that scenario can, with a straight face, comment on any other country's separation of church and state--much less claim that they have it when others do not.
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The Queen may not, in practice, lead the government, but by law, she has a considerable amount of power.FatherTed wrote:
The Queen doesn't 'lead' GB.FEOS wrote:
But strange that our leader is not also the head of the national church...like the Queen is in England.Turquoise wrote:
I think Mek is referring to how religion seems irreversibly connected to our social policy -- like with gay marriage, for example.
Odd that people living in that scenario can, with a straight face, comment on any other country's separation of church and state--much less claim that they have it when others do not.
Hating racists should not justify censoring speech or banning individuals for having certain views.ghettoperson wrote:
Doubt it. I hate Brown, but I hate racists more.Harmor wrote:
Hopefully after Brown's administration gets voted out Savage will be exonerated. Amazing that there's not more hoopla when the #3 Talk Show Host in the United States is put on a list with murders and terrorists.
We ban extremist Muslim preachers from visiting the UK, so I have no issues extending that to Christian extremists.
Annnd who might that be?oug wrote:
I don't know who this guy is but I read this about him:If that's what he wants, then what with him being an English-speaking white man he should fuck off back to England where his ancestors came from and leave America to its rightful owners.Savage Weiner wrote:
He has said that there are three aspects that define a society: borders, language, and culture. He founded the Paul Revere Society in 1996 with his son Russell to protest illegal immigration; he says the group's mission is to "bring together Americans who actively seek to take back our borders, our language, and our traditional culture from the liberal left corroding our great nation.
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Annnd who might that be?oug wrote:
I don't know who this guy is but I read this about him:If that's what he wants, then what with him being an English-speaking white man he should fuck off back to England where his ancestors came from and leave America to its rightful owners.Savage Weiner wrote:
He has said that there are three aspects that define a society: borders, language, and culture. He founded the Paul Revere Society in 1996 with his son Russell to protest illegal immigration; he says the group's mission is to "bring together Americans who actively seek to take back our borders, our language, and our traditional culture from the liberal left corroding our great nation.
She is the head of state, is she not?FatherTed wrote:
The Queen doesn't 'lead' GB.FEOS wrote:
But strange that our leader is not also the head of the national church...like the Queen is in England.Turquoise wrote:
I think Mek is referring to how religion seems irreversibly connected to our social policy -- like with gay marriage, for example.
Odd that people living in that scenario can, with a straight face, comment on any other country's separation of church and state--much less claim that they have it when others do not.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
That's my point, we actually have no separation. Yet in reality it seems much less so compared to the US. Religion dominates the politics of the US far more than it does over here, despite the fact that there's no separation here yet for the US there's all the bullshit about separation and liberty and all that nonsense.FEOS wrote:
But strange that our leader is not also the head of the national church...like the Queen is in England.Turquoise wrote:
I think Mek is referring to how religion seems irreversibly connected to our social policy -- like with gay marriage, for example.Kmarion wrote:
Much more? Not sure about that. Most of the connections here are vague symbols with little to no importance.
Odd that people living in that scenario can, with a straight face, comment on any other country's separation of church and state--much less claim that they have it when others do not.
It's typical US hypocrisy.
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True, but that would seem to be more an issue of whether or not someone is actually inciting riots and encouraging violence. Anyone doing those things can understandably be banned.ghettoperson wrote:
We ban extremist Muslim preachers from visiting the UK, so I have no issues extending that to Christian extremists.
As hateful as Savage can be, I haven't heard him advocate terrorism.
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True, but that would seem to be more an issue of whether or not someone is actually inciting riots and encouraging violence. Anyone doing those things can understandably be banned.ghettoperson wrote:
We ban extremist Muslim preachers from visiting the UK, so I have no issues extending that to Christian extremists.
As hateful as Savage can be, I haven't heard him advocate terrorism.
and for anyone to not know the fuckin' difference is scary enough
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A figure head, perhaps. A tourist attraction mostly.FEOS wrote:
She is the head of state, is she not?FatherTed wrote:
The Queen doesn't 'lead' GB.FEOS wrote:
But strange that our leader is not also the head of the national church...like the Queen is in England.
Odd that people living in that scenario can, with a straight face, comment on any other country's separation of church and state--much less claim that they have it when others do not.
In theory, she has a lot of power; in practice, she waves at people.
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I don't know whether all the Muslim preachers banned have advocated terrorism (lowing will say they have), they're generally banned because of 'inciting hatred' which is certainly something Savage does.Turquoise wrote:
True, but that would seem to be more an issue of whether or not someone is actually inciting riots and encouraging violence. Anyone doing those things can understandably be banned.ghettoperson wrote:
We ban extremist Muslim preachers from visiting the UK, so I have no issues extending that to Christian extremists.
As hateful as Savage can be, I haven't heard him advocate terrorism.
You're confusing sound bites with policy.Mekstizzle wrote:
That's my point, we actually have no separation. Yet in reality it seems much less so compared to the US. Religion dominates the politics of the US far more than it does over here, despite the fact that there's no separation here yet for the US there's all the bullshit about separation and liberty and all that nonsense.FEOS wrote:
But strange that our leader is not also the head of the national church...like the Queen is in England.Turquoise wrote:
I think Mek is referring to how religion seems irreversibly connected to our social policy -- like with gay marriage, for example.
Odd that people living in that scenario can, with a straight face, comment on any other country's separation of church and state--much less claim that they have it when others do not.
It's typical US hypocrisy.
People talk a lot about their religious convictions, but policy doesn't reflect that.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Apart from the current crusade in the ME?FEOS wrote:
People talk a lot about their religious convictions, but policy doesn't reflect that.
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I'd say your unwavering support of Israel had a lot to do with religion.
Proof?ghettoperson wrote:
I don't know whether all the Muslim preachers banned have advocated terrorism (lowing will say they have), they're generally banned because of 'inciting hatred' which is certainly something Savage does.
Proof of what? That I don't know whether they all advocate terrorism?