It's why I drive a Honda... 204k miles since 1991 and still going strong. Starts right up in -30F. You don't fix something that isn't broken, and that platform was far from broken. We still have quite a few Crown Vic police cars running around up here.
rofl, my friend's dad is in process of buying a porsche carrera gt....
Sick.aerodynamic wrote:
rofl, my friend's dad is in process of buying a porsche carrera gt....
Ask for a ride.
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My 20 year old golf MKII just got it's bi-annual MOT notice... Time to cross fingers
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I don't know...my grandfather had a town car for a while, and driving it felt like I was on a boat. Hated it. No feeling, no response, rather sluggish._j5689_ wrote:
Ford didn't do it any justice by not updating it to death they way they did, but the same time, its core parts such as the 4.6L engine paired with the 4R70W transmission are what made it so damn reliable. I shit you not, I testdrove an 03 Police Interceptor with 343,000 miles on it, and the same guy had another one with 408,000 on it that he was selling for a little bit more because it actually ran better than the one I testdrove, and on the Town Car forums, I've seen several reports of well over 400,000+ miles on 98 and up Town Cars, still running with the original engineTSI wrote:
Much as I like the panther platform, it was outdated. Body-on-frame, no IRS, oversized and overwieght, and the engines offered for it were just too lethargic. It was a product of the 80s, and it got an exceptionally long life because of its durable design, not because it was good in any way.
Did Ford fuck up? In terms of profits maybe. In terms of promoting a modern, dynamic image, no.
To be honest, there isn't much I'd not rather drive than the panther boat.
It was just the perfect workhorse sedan, if maybe a bit large and bulky, but everybody who worked with it loved that about it for the comfort, I know I sure do. I like having a bigger car too, I'm not looking forward to having to squeeze into a little econobox or hatchback if I ever have to, I hate how the ability to have an old-fashioned but still somewhat up-to-date large car is just stripped from my grasp, and now there's only ever smaller shittier cars.
Staying modern doesn't always have to be the only way to go, especially if you're still making profits after 13 years of just about the same design with the exception of a few minor updates and revisions.
If all you want is size, then go for a seventies Buick. Plenty of those around.
To be honest, though, I see your point about reliability. Mind you, with proper maintenance anything can be made to last 400k+ miles. The panther made it easy because it was so simple, so unrefined. Don't get me wrong, I love simple, old cars (mine is almost 25 years old now), but I also think that such a horribly inefficient platform had to go.
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That's the rear air springs, I had get rid of them and replace them with conventional springs/shocks when they broke after I got in an accident and then the ride became much more feely, but still relatively smooth compared to any of the econoboxes I'd previously driven, by default that's how the Police Interceptors come, just with more performance oriented springs and shocks all around. I think air suspension is standard on all civilian vehicles.TSI wrote:
I don't know...my grandfather had a town car for a while, and driving it felt like I was on a boat. Hated it. No feeling, no response, rather sluggish._j5689_ wrote:
Ford didn't do it any justice by not updating it to death they way they did, but the same time, its core parts such as the 4.6L engine paired with the 4R70W transmission are what made it so damn reliable. I shit you not, I testdrove an 03 Police Interceptor with 343,000 miles on it, and the same guy had another one with 408,000 on it that he was selling for a little bit more because it actually ran better than the one I testdrove, and on the Town Car forums, I've seen several reports of well over 400,000+ miles on 98 and up Town Cars, still running with the original engineTSI wrote:
Much as I like the panther platform, it was outdated. Body-on-frame, no IRS, oversized and overwieght, and the engines offered for it were just too lethargic. It was a product of the 80s, and it got an exceptionally long life because of its durable design, not because it was good in any way.
Did Ford fuck up? In terms of profits maybe. In terms of promoting a modern, dynamic image, no.
To be honest, there isn't much I'd not rather drive than the panther boat.
It was just the perfect workhorse sedan, if maybe a bit large and bulky, but everybody who worked with it loved that about it for the comfort, I know I sure do. I like having a bigger car too, I'm not looking forward to having to squeeze into a little econobox or hatchback if I ever have to, I hate how the ability to have an old-fashioned but still somewhat up-to-date large car is just stripped from my grasp, and now there's only ever smaller shittier cars.
Staying modern doesn't always have to be the only way to go, especially if you're still making profits after 13 years of just about the same design with the exception of a few minor updates and revisions.
If all you want is size, then go for a seventies Buick. Plenty of those around.
To be honest, though, I see your point about reliability. Mind you, with proper maintenance anything can be made to last 400k+ miles. The panther made it easy because it was so simple, so unrefined. Don't get me wrong, I love simple, old cars (mine is almost 25 years old now), but I also think that such a horribly inefficient platform had to go.
For long trips, it's absolutely great, you can't feel a thing but when it's raining or otherwise, it does its job a bit too well. I missed it at first, but you just can't beat conventional spring's immediate response and the underhood air compressor was getting noisy anyway whenever I turned the car on, and I like being able to feel the road again too at least a little bit.
aerodynamic wrote:
rofl, my friend's dad is in process of buying a porsche carrera gt....
personally i think black looks best, or yellow, but they sound beautiful any colour
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hells yeah, plus he is selling his boxter.....uhmmmPochsy wrote:
Sick.aerodynamic wrote:
rofl, my friend's dad is in process of buying a porsche carrera gt....
Ask for a ride.
I'm quite proud of my '99 Corsa, started up in -10 and drove me 10 miles in 3 1/2 foot snow to work.iceman785 wrote:
It's why I drive a Honda... 204k miles since 1991 and still going strong. Starts right up in -30F. You don't fix something that isn't broken, and that platform was far from broken. We still have quite a few Crown Vic police cars running around up here.
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Actually not too bad looking, especially for a Toyota
it's a shame someone tried to sneak a cock on the bonnet
Actually not too bad looking, especially for a Toyota
it's a shame someone tried to sneak a cock on the bonnet
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such boring looking cars
Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
they are pretty awful looking, we must put on our flamesuits though
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goes really fast raaaaaaaa sounds awesome raaaaaaahhh
still looks like a plastic uninspired (or rather inspired by a door wedge) excuse for a sportscar
still looks like a plastic uninspired (or rather inspired by a door wedge) excuse for a sportscar
Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Wait, which one is new one?
neither is a ZR1
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To be fair there was a very gentle curve in that road, which is way more than a Corvette is designed to handle.Toilet Sex wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzlg3oQMze4
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haha amazing, both wipeout
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wadsworth constant to the maxToilet Sex wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzlg3oQMze4
nothing exciting happens until 43 seconds in.
silly boys
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maybe the idiot in the c5Dilbert_X wrote:
To be fair there was a very gentle curve in that road, which is way more than a Corvette is designed to handle.Toilet Sex wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzlg3oQMze4
You retarded? The Corvette was designed to handle well. There is tons of vettes at our auto cross events both old and new and they all do really well.Dilbert_X wrote:
To be fair there was a very gentle curve in that road, which is way more than a Corvette is designed to handle.Toilet Sex wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzlg3oQMze4
The Corvette is not your typical American muscle car that can't break or go around a corner. Quite the opposite really.
The Corvette was designed to make a loud 'blup-blup-blup' sound and sell to gay men.iceman785 wrote:
You retarded? The Corvette was designed to handle well. There is tons of vettes at our auto cross events both old and new and they all do really well.Dilbert_X wrote:
To be fair there was a very gentle curve in that road, which is way more than a Corvette is designed to handle.Toilet Sex wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzlg3oQMze4
The Corvette is not your typical American muscle car that can't break or go around a corner. Quite the opposite really.
It doesn't sell outside America, home of gay men who like loud cars which don't drive.
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
Ya I guess if it cant drive that's why it does so well at Le Mans right? And corvettes make an amazing sound of a raw v8. It isn't gay at all. It's exactly what a ferrari or lambo would sound like if it didn't have a tuned exhaust.